There are 7 messages totalling 219 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Tolerance. (7) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 05:45:01 EST From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tolerance. In a message dated 2/9/2006 2:40:02 AM Central Standard Time, nora.jones@verizon.net writes: << (OBHLR: How was Duncan schooled in morals and ethics?)(How about Methos?) >> This reminds me of one of my favorite episodes: Chivalry. How Duncan could not kill Kristin, even though she killed Louise and tried to kill Maria. Even when Duncan realized that Kristin was a monster, he could not kill her. But Methos (a man "born long before the age of Chivalry") could. He, ever the pragmatist, realized that she was dangerous and had to be killed. Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those weaker than he. Evelyn Duncan brandykitt@aol.com Oh, crumbs! -- Penfold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:56:11 -0000 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tolerance. From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> > > Also, Duncan had it drilled into him to be the head of his clan (see Sean > Burns' conversation in "Deliverance"); he was taught to protect those > weaker than he. If Duncan really *had* been drilled and trained to be the leader and protector of his clan, he'd have learned that sometimes it is necessary to do things you don't like personally in order to protect the rest of the clan. In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in order to protect other women like Louise and Maria. jette@blueyonder.co.uk ("reply to" is spamblocked) http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:55:45 EST From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tolerance. In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time, jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: << In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in order to protect other women like Louise and Maria. >> If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him; he said so himself. It was Kristin's being a woman that saved her. Evelyn Duncan brandykitt@aol.com Oh, crumbs! -- Penfold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:15:39 -0000 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tolerance. From: "Evelyn Duncan" <BrandyKitt@AOL.COM> > jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > << > In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in > order to protect other women like Louise and Maria. >>> > > If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him; > he said so himself. It was Kristin's being a woman that > saved her. A true clan leader has to be above that. An enemy is an enemy, no matter their gender. If Duncan can't admit this to himself, he's useless as a clan leader. jette@blueyonder.co.uk ("reply to" is spamblocked) http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kitties.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:25:58 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Tolerance. Evelyn Duncan wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/2006 8:46:50 AM Central Standard Time, >jette@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: ><< >In other words, execute dangerous loonies like Kristin in >order to protect other women like Louise and Maria. > > > >If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him; >he said so himself. > Really? I don't recall this. Kristen was his teacher and lover, and *that* had more to do with it than anything. He had accepted her 'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved him far more than he cared for her. He used her as much as she used him, and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he had no right to take her head. It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept saying all along. MacG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:38:30 EST From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com> Subject: Re: Tolerance. In a message dated 2/9/2006 9:30:11 AM Central Standard Time, kageorge1@verizon.net writes: << Really? I don't recall this. >> He told her (I think it was at her limo) that if she had been a man, he would have killed her 350 years ago. Evelyn Duncan brandykitt@aol.com Oh, crumbs! -- Penfold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:02:23 +0000 From: tarsh <tarsh@eircom.net> Subject: Re: Tolerance. >Evelyn Duncan wrote: >>If Kristin had been a man, Duncan would have killed him; >>he said so himself. <MacG responded> Really? I don't recall this. Kristen was his teacher and lover, and *that* had more to do with it than anything. He had accepted her 'gifts', and made love to her, even after he realized that she loved him far more than he cared for her. He used her as much as she used him, and it was guilt, more than anything that pushed him to feel he had no right to take her head. It wasn't about chivalry, as he kept saying all along. <tarsh> That was Methos to MacLeod, IIRC, telling Duncan something along the lines of if she'd been a man, she'd have lost her head 350 years ago, after she killed Louise Barton(?). I don't recall Duncan himself either confirming or denying that statement. But I would agree; Duncan not killing Kristin wasn't about chivalry at all, really. Just as Methos killing her wasn't about the lack of it. What I've never understood is why Duncan killed Ingrid (the one bombing neo-Nazi meetings in reparation for failing to kill Hitler way back when). He didn't kill Kristin, he didn't kill Annie Devlin... he killed Ingrid. Why was she different? They were all old lovers, they were all killing people in greater or lesser numbers for reasons of their own... he only kills one of them. There's no consistency I can see. --tarsh (suffering a temporary loss of lurker's cloak) -- The years teach much which the days never know. - Ralph Waldo Emerson The objection to Puritans is not that they try to make us think as they do, but that they try to make us do as they think. - H.L. Mencken -- http://tarshaan.moonlit-eyrie.com http://www.livejournal.com/users/tarshaan ICQ: 119132832; AIM: tarshaan ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Feb 2006 to 9 Feb 2006 (#2006-36) ************************************************************