HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Feb 2006 to 8 Feb 2006 (#2006-35)
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There are 14 messages totalling 458 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Tolerance. (4)
2. Extra footage (6)
3. DEBBIE!!!! was: Re: Extra footage (2)
4. Stay on Topic: RiTchie? (2)
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:06:22 -0500
From: "Kathryn L. Zimmerman" <zimmy@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
On Feb 7, 2006, at 9:57 AM, John Mosby - Laptop wrote:
> I'm notcing more and more that those using religion as a wepon or
> hammer to shape others' thinking into their own, have a tendency to
> quote out of context and that closer inspection of sared texts and
> teachings often reveals more palatable and simple teachings.
>
> I grow tired ans weary of *certain* sections of Christianity and
> Islam (not their whole) making their religion fitting aroudn their
> ideas rather than the other way around.
>
> Religion should be about faith in something, not the runiation of
> those who don't have that same faith.
>
Geez. Am I rusty. Lost track of what I was talking about while I
was writing my first post, I did.
I think that what I was trying to get across and my train of thought
got derailed, is that despite the simplicity of most religions, we
tend to attach a lot of baggage to belief. It's pretty funny
sometimes to see how it evolves.
For example, back in the 60's and 70's, you couldn't do <insert name
of behavior here> and be a <follower of some religion> here. For
example, the musical Hair was the ultimate in degradation and anyone
who went to see it was seriously in danger of <insert name of eternal
punishment here>. I was at my niece's graduation back in the late
80's. Nice conservative religiously-affiliated school. On their
commencement concert program? Selections from "Hair".
People have always used religion as a weapon to shape others'
thinking into their own: as Liz the First said, opening "windows into
men's souls". That's nothing new.
I think that what *is* new is the idea of religious tolerance, or
really, any sort of tolerance. It didn't really exist in most places
in the early days of this country (USA). The Puritans wanted freedom
to worship as they pleased, but if you lived where they did, you'd
better worship as they pleased too. Catholics found refuge from
Protestant oppression in Maryland and some of the southern states.
Quakers escaped persecution in Pennsylvania. Mormons were hounded
all the way to Utah. Lots of room for nearly any group to put down
roots and establish a safe enclave.
We take religious freedom so for granted - I'm reading a bio of John
Adams right now and am struck again with how difficult it was to
establish separation of church and state. I can also cite examples
just from personal experience how un-separate it is in this country
from time to time.
I keep trying to impress on my family how important it is to keep
that precious separation. They keep complaining about things like no
formalized prayer and Bible reading in school; I keep trying to get
them to understand that they do *NOT* want public schools practicing
religion. If that separation is not maintained, sooner or later the
schools will be teaching a religion, reading from religious texts,
and saying prayers that they don't want. Learning *about* religion
and faiths is one thing; practice is another.
We know the old adage: Never try to teach a pig to sing. It doesn't
work and annoys the pig. We have this cool new idea of "tolerance",
however tenuous our grasp on it. An upstart nation only 220 years
old is not going to teach ancient and ingrained cultures much of
anything about tolerating other religions. We can barely tolerate
differences within our own nation. I doubt if we can teach them much
about tolerating cultural diversity either.
Pessimistic: Who, me?
ZK
zimmy@highstream.net
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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:01:49 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
In a message dated 2/7/2006 10:12:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
zimmy@highstream.net writes:
>>>I keep trying to impress on my family how important it is to keep
that precious separation. They keep complaining about things like no
formalized prayer and Bible reading in school; I keep trying to get
them to understand that they do *NOT* want public schools practicing
religion. If that separation is not maintained, sooner or later the
schools will be teaching a religion, reading from religious texts,
and saying prayers that they don't want. Learning *about* religion
and faiths is one thing; practice is another.
Applause. The whole movement towards prayer, etc. in public schools is just
plain wrong. Should the "religion" of choice /majority in this country change
[and Islam does want to take over the world] ...........................nuff
said.
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 01:27:40 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Extra footage
Is there a web page that lists the extra footage of episodes
on the DVDs? I was surprised to see a scene on "Deliverance"
after Methos said "You know, I haven't noticed."
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:22:26 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
It's the job of the Parents to teach a child morality and religion, not the
school. Public schools are obliged to provide children with a solid education
in basics that will help them get by in the more practical aspects of life,
such as employment and health education. The very diversity of the popluation
of this nation makes the idea of using that Public School system to be the
ones to instill a moral code of behavior or religion into kids to be utterly
ridiculous.
Any parents that are advocating that the PUBLIC school system teach their
kids the version of morality and religion they prefer are being cheap and stone
cold lazy in their parenting.
Leah
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:00:39 -0500
From: "Kathryn L. Zimmerman" <zimmy@highstream.net>
Subject: DEBBIE!!!! was: Re: Extra footage
DEBBIE! There's an on-topic post on Highla-L! What's next? Roll
calls? Flying immortals? Parentheses? Necrotic equines? Denial of
Writschiee's demise?
ZK
non-Scottish/red hair
On Feb 8, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Evelyn Duncan wrote:
> Is there a web page that lists the extra footage of episodes
> on the DVDs? I was surprised to see a scene on "Deliverance"
> after Methos said "You know, I haven't noticed."
>
> Evelyn Duncan
> brandykitt@aol.com
> Oh, crumbs!
> -- Penfold
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:12 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Extra footage
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>Is there a web page that lists the extra footage of episodes
>on the DVDs? I was surprised to see a scene on "Deliverance"
>after Methos said "You know, I haven't noticed."
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>Oh, crumbs!
>-- Penfold
>
>
>
I have written up episode descriptions and commentary from the second
through most of the sixth season, including descriptions of the extra
footage, all of which can be found at:
http://www.wordsmiths.net/MacGeorge/episodes/indexframeset.htm
MacGeorge
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:11:47 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Extra footage
In a message dated 2/8/2006 9:52:01 AM Central Standard Time,
kageorge1@verizon.net writes:
<<
I have written up episode descriptions and commentary from the second
through most of the sixth season, including descriptions of the extra
footage,
>>
Bless you!
I had wondered why Kristin Minter's name was on the credits when I hadn't
seen her in the episode (did you know she plays Randi on ER?)
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:38:28 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Extra footage
Really? I usually recognize HL players, but I missed that one.
MacG
Evelyn Duncan wrote:
>In a message dated 2/8/2006 9:52:01 AM Central Standard Time,
>kageorge1@verizon.net writes:
><<
>I have written up episode descriptions and commentary from the second
>through most of the sixth season, including descriptions of the extra
>footage,
>
>
>
>Bless you!
>
>I had wondered why Kristin Minter's name was on the credits when I hadn't
>seen her in the episode (did you know she plays Randi on ER?)
>
>Evelyn Duncan
>brandykitt@aol.com
>Oh, crumbs!
>-- Penfold
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:52:28 -0600
From: Nora Jones <nora.jones@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.
Bizarro7@aol.com wrote:
>It's the job of the Parents to teach a child morality and religion, not the
>school. Public schools are obliged to provide children with a solid education
>in basics that will help them get by in the more practical aspects of life,
>such as employment and health education. The very diversity of the popluation
>of this nation makes the idea of using that Public School system to be the
>ones to instill a moral code of behavior or religion into kids to be utterly
>ridiculous.
>
>Any parents that are advocating that the PUBLIC school system teach their
>kids the version of morality and religion they prefer are being cheap and stone
>cold lazy in their parenting.
>
>Leah
Morality and religion are not the same thing. A moral code of behavior based on the belief that killing, lying, cheating, stealing, and hating are wrong and dysfunctional in a democratic society, etc., then I?m all for my hard-earned tax money being spent to teach that in the public school system. Of course I advocate that parents teach these things from the moment a child becomes their responsibility, but if teaching of these things is not continued in school, good citizens to continue this democracy will not result.
Religion is a different story. How and if a child/person serves God/god(s)/diety is the purview of religion and should stay separate from government and public school. Most religions also seek to teach morality, so there is an overlap, but to stay away from teaching morality in public schools because religion teaches the same things would be bad ? very, very bad. Would we advocate that a child not be punished for cheating in public school? This is what is meant by not teaching morality in public schools. Methinks we punish cheating in public schools because citizens-to-be of a democracy do not function together or develop if cheating is allowed, not because God/god(s)/deity told us it is bad.
-- Nora (yet another OT post)(DEBBIE!)(OBHLR: How was Duncan schooled in morals and ethics?)(How about Methos?)
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:08:23 EST
From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Extra footage
In a message dated 2/8/2006 10:52:17 AM Central Standard Time,
kageorge1@verizon.net writes:
<<
Really? I usually recognize HL players, but I missed that one.
>>
She's one of the desk clerks; I had seen the name on one of the
season 2 DVDs (which I rented because of Ron Eldard of Blind
Justice); it's much easier to watch the credits on DVDs.
Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol.com
Oh, crumbs!
-- Penfold
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:12:14 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: DEBBIE!!!! was: Re: Extra footage
>Denial of Writschiee's demise?
*WHAP*
Just for old times' sake. :)
- Marina.
\\ "So what do you wanna do?" ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// "I'm not sure... as long as it doesn't || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ involve putting on a suit and doing a lot ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// of flying." - Chloe and Clark; Smallville || \\
\\==============tmar@polka.co.za=============|| //
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"...fighting for what you believe in is important and that,
sometimes, the only thing that matters is that you *did*
fight." - Keith Topping (about 'Angel')
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:17:05 -0500
From: "Richard Sarner ,Deepest Darkest Denbigh" <rsarner@widomaker.com>
Subject: Stay on Topic: RiTchie?
It's worse than that! He lived, Jim!! He lived, Jim, lived Jim! It's worse than that, he
lived, Jim, lived.
...RiTchard
also non-Scottish/married redhead (lord help me:)
> DEBBIE! There's an on-topic post on Highla-L! What's next? Roll
> calls? Flying immortals? Parentheses? Necrotic equines? Denial of
> Writschiee's demise?
>
> ZK
> non-Scottish/red hair
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:55:47 -0800
From: Ginny Gibbs <red57metoo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stay on Topic: RiTchie?
--- "Richard Sarner ,Deepest Darkest Denbigh"
<rsarner@WIDOMAKER.COM> wrote:
<snip>
> ...RiTchard
> also non-Scottish/married redhead (lord help me:)
---"ZEEEEEEEEK!" <zeek@someinternetprovider.net>
wrote:
> > ZK
> > non-Scottish/red hair
>
We are a force to be reckoned with! ROLL CALL!
(DEBBIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! For the love of God and
puppies and kittens!)
((Save us from ourselves))
(((Let's start sharing huge image files next)))
((((Or we could join Flickr, I'm GinnyRED57 there!))))
(((((Another fan and I are colonizing it for the rest
of you.)))))
ginny
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ginny
red57metoo@yahoo.com
Life. Short. Dessert NOW.
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http://www.holy-innocents.org
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:20:51 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Extra footage
Evelyn asks:
> Is there a web page that lists the extra footage of episodes
> on the DVDs? I was surprised to see a scene on "Deliverance"
> after Methos said "You know, I haven't noticed."
Ah ... the Eurominutes.
Long ago, I started a huge (and apparently never-ending) project to
transcribe all the Eurominutes. I made some headway and then the project
foundered. I should get back to it. (If Ginny would mail that box she
has!)
Almost three whole seasons of Eurominutes can be found here:
http://members.cox.net/immortals_incorporated/world_famous_highlander_eu
ro.htm
Someday I promise there will be more.
Wendy(DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)(Can't let it go)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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