HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Jan 2004 to 8 Jan 2004 (#2004-8)
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Topics of the day:
1. episode details
2. Deep Impacting (6)
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:15:33 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com>
Subject: Re: episode details
I'm not sure about the level of detail you wanted, but this site has
always been a good source of information about all the episodes:
http://home.comcast.net/~carooso/
MacGeorge
Firefly wrote:
> Is there a site with a detailed synopsis of each episode, or at least
> season one? A friend (Jason Isaacs fan) hasn't seen The Lady and the
> Tiger
> yet and would like to read up on it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barbara
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:11:00 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
> John--
> > At this point there are no pictures directly
> > associated with the mini-series and therefore we have to go with a
> > recognisable HL image.
>
> A recognizable image.... But, surely AP does appear in the mini-series?
> Otherwise, Impact's cover would be about as misleading as Endgame's
trailer.
"Well, d'uh." If there are no mini-series pix yet (it hasn't begun filming)
then any photo could be misleading as it's 'old'. Our interviewee talks
about how the Highlander franchise has evolved into this latest incarnation
and Duncan is referenced/talked about a lot as part of that. Now, if I'd put
on a Stargate instead, you'd have finally made a point.
>
> Nina (&, w/ all the hoopla, I expected a full cover for HL--not just a
> corner shot)
And there's the rub... you don't want old photos taken from a previous
incarnation, yet you want a representative Highlander cover. Good luck with
that paradox. It was talked about, but lack of really great new shots made
the publisher want to hold a primary Highlander cover until there are more
new images available.
John
(and, to echo Donna Lettow's general feelings on aspects of criticism, if
Nina thinks she can do a better job editing a magazine, all she has to do is
get a job doing that to prove it)
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:25:09 -0500
From: Bschep@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
In a message dated 1/7/2004 6:11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
>
> (and, to echo Donna Lettow....
Hey... what are Donna and Gillian doing these days. Anybody know?
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:51:40 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
me before--
> > But, surely AP does appear in the mini-series?
> > Otherwise, Impact's cover would be about as misleading as Endgame's
> > trailer.
John--
> "Well, d'uh." If there are no mini-series pix yet (it hasn't begun
filming)
> then any photo could be misleading as it's 'old'.
Not at all. There's a lot more to HL than just AP (of course, 99% of that
other stuff stinks, but that's not the issue here). You could have used a
shot of the HL logo. Or a shot of some guy (who might or might not have
been AP) taking a Quickening. Or something w/ swords & fog. Or a shot of
Bill Panzer smoking a stogie & swilling Scotch. Or one of a dozen other
images identified w/ HL as a franchise.
Using a cover shot of AP to promote your article on the new HL mini-series
indicates that he will appear in the mini-series. If he does not, then
Impact has done exactly what the Endgame trailer did--mislead the public to
get their money. You, John, condemned Endgame's trailer here on the list &
in Impact's own pages. Guess the rules are different when it comes to
publicizing YOUR product.
Nina (who's quite busy at present, but appreciates John taking the time from
his busy schedule to offer job counseling)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:47:42 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
> John--
> > "Well, d'uh." If there are no mini-series pix yet (it hasn't begun
> filming)
> > then any photo could be misleading as it's 'old'.
>
> Not at all. There's a lot more to HL than just AP (of course, 99% of that
> other stuff stinks, but that's not the issue here). You could have used a
> shot of the HL logo. Or a shot of some guy (who might or might not have
> been AP) taking a Quickening. Or something w/ swords & fog. Or a shot of
> Bill Panzer smoking a stogie & swilling Scotch. Or one of a dozen other
> images identified w/ HL as a franchise.
Hmmm. Okay. What the Hell. I have time. Design 101 for the benfit of Nina
(rapidly demonstrating that there's no shortage of opinion, just not much
based on much knowledge)
Highlander logo? Possible, though there's a distinct possibility that there
will be a change of logo. Also, we're looking at something pictorial not a
strap-line or yet more text on a pretty texty cover already. That's just
basic stuff. Try to keep up.
It's an insert or sub-image and given that the full cover image (from Star
Runners) had already being approved by the publisher, we needed something
that would fit *as* an insert. That means it basically had to be a *solid*
HL image to catch the eye - something substantial. Fog, the last time I
looked was very insubstantial. 'Some guy with a sword'. Could have done
that, though usually that's a long distance shot, so the resolution is crap
for a cover and a Quickening is pretty hard to cut around. Lots of generic
lightning.... or a recognisable Highlander character that forms part of the
feature? Oooooo, let me think.....
And you gotta love this argument: "There's a lot more to HL than just AP
(of course, 99% of that other stuff stinks, but that's not the issue here)."
Nina's argument being: 'I'd have preffered something stinky other than
Adrian, just on principal'.
> Using a cover shot of AP to promote your article on the new HL mini-series
> indicates that he will appear in the mini-series. If he does not, then
> Impact has done exactly what the Endgame trailer did--mislead the public
to
> get their money. You, John, condemned Endgame's trailer here on the list
&
> in Impact's own pages. Guess the rules are different when it comes to
> publicizing YOUR product.
Ah. The Law according to La Miserable. Well, hate to cut you off at the
knees but...
Using the picture of Adrian does not indicate either Adrian's participation
*or* lack of participation. The article traces some of the decisions made in
creating the spin-off with reference to the development of Duncan and
Adrian's essential qualities in Highlander. So...given the article talks a
lot about Adrian, Highlander and the evolution of the franchise into the
mini-series, a shot of Duncan MacLeod fits the bill. Now, if I'd put a shot
of Al Pacino or Stargate or Nina on the cover to represent the Highlander
feature, you'd have finally made a decent point. But your claim clearly
doesn't hold water as the image *does* represent part of the article...and
the claim is made even more ludicrous because you haven't read the article
yet. And probably won't... because that would kinda spoil your argument.
>
> Nina (who's quite busy at present, but appreciates John taking the time
from
> his busy schedule to offer job counseling)
Thanks. It was obviosuly you needed counseling.
John
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:07:15 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
John--
> Hmmm. Okay. What the Hell. I have time. Design 101 for the benfit of Nina
> (rapidly demonstrating that there's no shortage of opinion, just not much
> based on much knowledge)
Defensive much?
> Highlander logo? Possible, though there's a distinct possibility that
there
> will be a change of logo. Also, we're looking at something pictorial not a
> strap-line or yet more text on a pretty texty cover already. That's just
> basic stuff. Try to keep up.
It was what--a 2" square corner photo? Pictorial quality really doesn't
matter at that point--you just wanted to catch the eye of AP fans, despite
the fact he's not involved in the mini-series. (And you have gone way past
sarcasm into desperate & rather telling rudeness.)
> And you gotta love this argument: "There's a lot more to HL than just AP
> (of course, 99% of that other stuff stinks, but that's not the issue
here)."
> Nina's argument being: 'I'd have preffered something stinky other than
> Adrian, just on principal'.
I'd have preferred something honestly representative of the mini-series
you've been touting so often & so loudly. Given your own comments re:
Endgame's misleading trailer, I am surprised you don't agree.
>It was obviosuly you needed counseling.
And it is obvious you need a spell-checker. Hope Impact has one....
Nina (never realized genre mag writers were so tightly wound)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:54:59 -0000
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Impacting
Nina> Defensive much?
Not much. Stating increasingly obvious facts.
> It was what--a 2" square corner photo? Pictorial quality really doesn't
> matter at that point--you just wanted to catch the eye of AP fans, despite
> the fact he's not involved in the mini-series.
Again with the lack of knowledge and basic measurement skills. ANYTHING that
goes on the cover has to have a high resolution. Slightly less if slightly
smaller, but if we'd used a 75dpi, someone would be bemoaning we couldn't
have used something clearer.
>(And you have gone way past
> sarcasm into desperate & rather telling rudeness.)
Mr Pot meet Mr Kettle. Nina, if *anyone* on this List thinks I have a
fraction of your ability to ruin occasional good arguments with needless
sideswipes while blending vitriol and sarcasm then let them speak up now.
No-one? Well, isn't THAT rather telling? :)
> > And you gotta love this argument: "There's a lot more to HL than just
AP
> > (of course, 99% of that other stuff stinks, but that's not the issue
> here)."
> > Nina's argument being: 'I'd have preffered something stinky other than
> > Adrian, just on principal'.
>
> I'd have preferred something honestly representative of the mini-series
> you've been touting so often & so loudly. Given your own comments re:
> Endgame's misleading trailer, I am surprised you don't agree.
And again. There. Are. No. Mini-Series. Pictures. Yet.
So.... any picture we use would have to be a previously existing one. So we
use a Highlander picture that HAS relevance to the article and the interview
and the mini-series. Stop using the Endgame analogy...it doesn't make any
sense. If you feel the picture is misleading AFTER you read the article,
then we'll talk. But I'm sure actually buying a magazine would be too close
to putting your money where your mouth is.
> >It was obviosuly you needed counseling.
>
> And it is obvious you need a spell-checker. Hope Impact has one....
>
> Nina (never realized genre mag writers were so tightly wound)
> mac.westie@verizon.net
*ouch* She got me. Damn my flying fingers.
And hey, Nina, always glad to show up and show you up.
John
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