HIGHLA-L Digest - 27 Feb 2003 to 28 Feb 2003 (#2003-29)
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Topics of the day:
1. Harry Potter meets HL (6)
2. HIGHLA-L Digest - 26 Feb 2003 to 27 Feb 2003 (#2003-28)
3. Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:43:43 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Nina wrote:
>No, I've found slash fans to be oddly reticent about discussing it.
ROFL! Oh, that's a good one.
>2) Slash isn't imagining. We are all free to imagine whatever we like.
Thank you for granting permission. Guess that means you're withdrawing
your comments from a few months back. You remember. You criticized me for
seeing sexual overtones between fictional characters where you didn't see
them. No fanfic involved, just my imagination.
>Pat--
> > You drag slash into completely unrelated conversations. Now
> > that's illogical.
>
>It WAS related; I drew the diagram for Jette yesterday. Keep up.
You posted hours after I did. Pay attention.
> > Please, leave it alone already.
>
>I am tempted, since you asked so sweetly. But, how about we make a deal.
>You get all the HL slashers to stop spewing it around in public, & I'll stop
>mentioning that slash exists & is, as Buffy would say, just wrong. OK? Let
>me know when you've held up your end.
Thanks for the generous offer Nina, but I'll decline. I have no desire to
tell anyone what they can & cannot do. That's the basic difference between
us. Note: my comment to you was a polite request.
Discussing slash doesn't bother me. What I objected to was the boring
repetition of anti-slash rhetoric injected into most every subject
thread. It's akin to seeing the same commercial 15 times a night. :::
yawn :::
Pat
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:06:22 EST
From: CATLADYx7@aol.com
Subject: Re: HIGHLA-L Digest - 26 Feb 2003 to 27 Feb 2003 (#2003-28)
In a message dated 2/27/2003 10:01:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@LISTS.PSU.EDU writes:
>
> Frankly, it was time. Both for her AND for the show. And there won't be a
> Faith spin-off, either. (Joss is having a very bad year.) Forget genre &
> forget plot--I'd watch a weekly 60-minute "reality" show of Spike sitting
> in
> a display window.
>
> Nina (Spike takes a nap. Spike rolls over. Spike has a widdle dream.
> Next
> week--Spike whips up a souffle & reads poetry aloud. Sweeps week--Spike
> goes to the beach & does sit-ups on the moon-lit sand. Spike makes a
> sand-castle. Spike tosses a frisbee....)
> mac.westie@verizon.net>>
LOL!!!!!!!!! I'm with you there :-) All your
ideas are great!!! At least I will have my Spike standup to look back on!!
Rae
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:43:02 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Pat wrote:
>Nina wrote:
>>No, I've found slash fans to be oddly reticent about discussing it.
>ROFL! Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah, isn't it?
>Discussing slash doesn't bother me. What I objected to was the boring
>repetition of anti-slash rhetoric injected into most every subject
>thread. It's akin to seeing the same commercial 15 times a night. :::
>yawn :::
Ditto. Thank you for saying it. It's as if the anti-slashers are so
obsessed with "proving" the slashers wrong that they have to bring
it into *every* single* conversation*. And it's hard to discuss
any topic, Nina, when someone is yelling and hitting you over the
head with a topic you don't want to discuss at the time.
I'm all for discussing slash. But on its own merits. Not as part of
every other thread. It's like Godwin's Law (whoever brings up
Hitler or the Nazis has automatically lost the argument). On this
list it's the Slash Law: whoever brings up slash has destroyed the
thread for any calm and logical discussion.
And FYI, Nina, I can discuss any topic fine without needing to bring
slash into it. Why can't you?
- Marina. (However, I too would watch Spike in a display window. How
sad are we?)
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:06:36 -0500
From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Nina wrote:
> 1) So, you are in the "doesn't matter if it was just a nose" camp?
> 2) Slash isn't imagining. We are all free to imagine whatever we like.
But
> fanfic writers in general & slashers in particular go far beyond that;
they
> take & use as their own other people's intellectual property, for personal
> gain & w/o permission or compensation--all extremely publicly. The issue
> isn't what people do w/ their imaginations--it's what people do w/ their
> computers & their fanzines, etc.
> 3) "It's fun/I like doing it" is a pretty slim justification. (Marina
will
> be disappointed if I don't mention this, so...) It's heard a lot in
> kindergartens & prisons.
What can I say, I was born during the "if it feels good, do it" era.
These days I'm more of the "And it harm none, do what you will" mindset.
I've just
never seen how fanfic of any genre has actually hurt anything or anyone. If
you don't
like it, don't read it. That's what free will is for.
>Forget genre &
> forget plot--I'd watch a weekly 60-minute "reality" show of Spike sitting
in
> a display window.
There's an idea I can get behind! ;-)
Becky
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:19:20 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
> Jette--
> >>>Nina - you seem to be OBSESSED with slash, always bringing
> it into conversations, even when no one else has - makes one
> think "projecting" and "denial".>>>
>
> When the topic of daft/obsessed fans comes up, as it did in your original
> post, I may well be reminded of slash in a straight-line logic sort of
way.
Only YOU get reminded that way - do you feel the same
about Japanese fans of David Beckham (English football
player) who pay to view the hotel room he slept in in Korea?
Does THAT remind you of slash? If so, you've got slash on
the brain.
> Pat--
> > You drag slash into completely unrelated conversations. Now
> > that's illogical.
>
> It WAS related; I drew the diagram for Jette yesterday. Keep up.
Completely UNrelated - your diagram is faulty - like your
map only has directions to "slash city" on it.
As I said before - keep taking the tablets.
Jette
(aka Vinyaduriel)
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:05:06 -0500
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
The sheriff from Mountain "Nekkid blade to Nekkid blade" Men
played the shaman in a remake of The Lone Ranger. The William
Tell Overture with electric guitar, drums, and synthesizers?
Harrrumph. Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels are probably
spinning in their graves.
ZK (A firey horse with the speed of light...)(Who *was* that
masked man?)(Hah. Whippersnappers. I remember Gunsmoke on radio!)
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:15:57 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Jette--
> As I said before - keep taking the tablets.
Jette, I am touched by your _repeated_ concern for my health. So, here's a
teeny suggestion for you. Try adding bran to your diet--you'll be feeling
on top of the world in no time!
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:12:09 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Marina--
> it's hard to discuss
> any topic, Nina, when someone is yelling and hitting you over the
> head with a topic you don't want to discuss at the time.
Darn--did I miss yelling & hitting over heads here? Because that sounds
fun.
And, exactly when DO you want to discuss slash? Or fanfic? Or the literary
high-brow stuff you mentioned earlier? Because you seem to be more
interested in talking about how you just can't talk about stuff, than in
actually discussing anything.
> I'm all for discussing slash.
Oh, goodie--see above.
> But on its own merits.
Well, that assumes slash HAS any merit. Which reminds me that all your
posturing about slash, fanfic, etc. rather glosses over the fact that it's
all nothing more than creativity-challenged fans ripping off the actual
owners of the fictional universe.
> whoever brings up slash has destroyed the
> thread for any calm and logical discussion.
Your saying that completely gets you off the hook, doesn't it?
Nina
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