HIGHLA-L Digest - 28 Feb 2003 to 1 Mar 2003 (#2003-30)
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Topics of the day:
1. Harry Potter meets HL (3)
2. Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
3. Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!! (2)
4. Hi-Ho Dead Zone, Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
5. Slash? (5)
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 07:13:41 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Nina wrote:
>And, exactly when DO you want to discuss slash?
Frankly, I don't. Because there are some people on this list
who can't discuss certain topics in a calm and rational manner
without yelling and insulting people.
>Or fanfic? Or the literary high-brow stuff you mentioned earlier?
I'm ready when you are.
>Well, that assumes slash HAS any merit.
Its merits or lack thereof. Whatever.
>Which reminds me that all your
>posturing about slash, fanfic, etc. rather glosses over the fact that it's
>all nothing more than creativity-challenged fans ripping off the actual
>owners of the fictional universe.
Oooh, burn!!
>Your saying that completely gets you off the hook, doesn't it?
I was never on the hook, sweetie. That's only in your mind.
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:51:37 -0500
From: Judy Schneider <judyas77@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
ZK wrote:
>
>The sheriff from Mountain "Nekkid blade to Nekkid blade" Men
>played the shaman in a remake of The Lone Ranger. The William
That's Wes Studi. He was also Magua in "Last of the Mohicans" with Daniel
Day Lewis. He does a nice slightly-insane bad guy.
>ZK (A firey horse with the speed of light...)(Who *was* that
>masked man?)(Hah. Whippersnappers. I remember Gunsmoke on radio!)
(Radio?) (You had radio??)
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judyas77@hotmail.com
"I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:29:03 -0500
From: Terry Howard <howardtl@muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
At 07:05 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>ZK (A firey horse with the speed of light...)(Who *was* that
>masked man?)(Hah. Whippersnappers. I remember Gunsmoke on radio!)
So do you remember who was the voice of the Lone ranger on Radio? Matt Dillon?
Was the Long Ranger an Imortal? Everyone else die that day.
Was Conner really the Lone Ranger?
Terrence L. Howard
Network Operation Center
112 Hoyt Hall
"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing after all.
The minute it crops up, all our hardnesses yield, all
our irritations and resentments flit away, and a sunny spirit takes their
place."
--Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:18:59 EST
From: lynnann Ward <LynnannCDC@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hi-ho Silver! Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!
And the widowed sister-in-law, Grace, was played by Fay Masterson - she was
Jenny in "The Beast Below" Highlander, it's everywhere!
lynnann
In a message dated 2/28/03 5:09:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net writes:
> The sheriff from Mountain "Nekkid blade to Nekkid blade" Men
> played the shaman in a remake of The Lone Ranger. The William
> Tell Overture with electric guitar, drums, and synthesizers?
> Harrrumph. Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels are probably
> spinning in their graves.
>
> ZK (A firey horse with the speed of light...)(Who *was* that
> masked man?)(Hah. Whippersnappers. I remember Gunsmoke on radio!)
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:52:55 -0500
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Hi-Ho Dead Zone, Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
I saw a few minutes of a Poltergiest/Legacy ep. last night;
Martin Cummings was in it, of course; so was Anthony Michael
Hall. That's why he looked so familiar.
> Nina wrote:
>
>> 1) So, you are in the "doesn't matter if it was just a nose" camp?
Speaking of noses...
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spoiler spaces for ep. not yet aired...
Seems to me I caught a glimpse of a sinister-looking PW flying an
airplane with John Smith aboard...
ZK
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:18:23 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Slash?
Is it time for us to discuss slash again?
Damn! I have to update my calendar. I still have slash marked for mid-April.
Let's see:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Methos had the hots for Duncan.
No. Duncan would never have done that!
But Methos might have persuaded him because he's learned a lot of tricks in 5000 years.
Hey! Just because someone is 5000 years old doesn't mean they'll do *anything*.
Duncan's been around too...he probably had sex with some guy in the trenches.
Ugh! My Duncan would never do that. But Lord Byron looked kinda limp wristed.
Byron? He had a wife and daughter in real life.
So? I see him and Methos as being attracted to each other - and the goat.
Just because *you* think they look attracted to each other doesn't make it so.
The writers were obviously putting homoerotic subtext into the story since they couldn't put homoerotic text in.
They could have just written gay Immortals if they wanted to. Since they didn't - we shouldn't start assuming that the ones shown *were* gay.
It has nothing to do with being gay! It's about being attracted to a person.
Yeah, right. Straight guys always fall for other straight guys and let themselves be buggered senseless. But they're not *gay*
What are you? A homophobe? .
I can hate slash and not be homophobic.
Sure. If you had your way there would never be any gay characters on TV.
I thought you said they weren't gay? Besides I have no problem with gay characters. I just don't see Duncan as being attracted to men. And I certainly don't think Richie would have buggered anyone voluntarily.
OK. Richie is a special case . But Methos *definitely* swung both ways. That nose painting scene was a classic.
Harumph! Don't you know any men who goof around and *don't* sleep together? Your circle of friends must be limited.
Ha! Most men are bisexual and you just don't see it!
Bite me!
Right back at ya!
Besides..all fanfic is illegal because it violates the copyright of the *real* writers. You know..the ones who had to actually work to create new characters.
Phooey! No one makes any money off fanfic so TPTB aren't losing any money. Besides, fanfic keeps the franchise in the public eye which is good.
Good? When innocent people might stumble on your sick disgusting slash and think that HL is a porn series?
You can't stumble onto slash. You have to look for it.
Any one who searches on Yahoo will end up with slash sites.
I think most people are smart enough to realize that slash is different than the "real" series.
You think so? You haven't been keeping track of the kind of people loose on the Internet.
In any event, TPTB know all about slash and they don't mind it.
They don't? Who told you that? And what if they did object? Would you stop?
They know about it because everyone knows about it. I wouldn't stop because it's a free country!
Right. And what if one of the actors hated being portrayed as a bum-f***er?
Why would he care? It's a *character*..not the actor.
And no one ever confuses the two?
Fans should be sensitive to the wishes of the actors and PTB but they shouldn't censor their creative flow.
Give me a break. If you had a creative flow you wouldn't be stealing characters from other writers!
There are only 6 plots in the world. Everyone steals.
I said *characters*, not plots.
Oh. Sorry. Different discussion on a different list. Anyway...I think it's flattering to have someone want to borrow your characters.
So if I borrowed a character from one of your fanfics and made them do unspeakable things in my story, you wouldn't care?
No. Well. Maybe...but that's different.
Yeah. Now it's your ox getting gored.
You could at least try to be civil!
Why? I'm not the one who's practicing character assassination.
Shut up!
No, you shut up!
Bitch!
Freak!
+++++++++++++++++++++
Wendy(Should we turn to the annual Cassandra debate now?)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:35:45 -0500
From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Slash?
>
>Wendy(Should we turn to the annual Cassandra debate now?)
She wanted it.
No she didn't. No one wants that.
I want Methos to do that to me.
Freak.
She needs to just get over what happened in the Bronze Age and get on
with her life.
Don't blame the victim!
You're jealous of Cassandra, that's why you don't like her.
Yes. I am. I've always wanted nails like that.
She was a miserable swordsman and should have been dead centuries ago.
Don't blame the victim!
Bite me.
The fact that you want me to bite you suggests that you're either
into kinky sex, or are gay. You might also have rape fantasies.
That makes you sick.
Hey, don't tell me I'm gay. That's for the slash discussion.
Homophobe.
Oh yeah? Well Richie's DEAD you know.
Lisa
--
--
L Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net
"I find tongues in trees, books in running brooks,
sermons in stones, and good in everything." Shakespeare: As You Like It
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:42:32 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Me before (to someone other than Pat)--
>2) Slash isn't imagining. We are all free to imagine whatever we like.
Pat-
>>>Thank you for granting permission.
That's just snotty.
Pat-
>>> Guess that means you're withdrawing your comments from a few months
back. You remember. You criticized me for seeing sexual overtones between
fictional characters where you didn't see them. No fanfic involved, just
my imagination.>>>
Actually, I don't remember YOU, much less whatever it is you are talking
about above.
Pat-
>>>I have no desire to tell anyone what they can & cannot do. That's the
basic difference between us. Note: my comment to you was a polite
request.>>>
No, it wasn't. I said something you didn't like, & you told me to shut up,
just in a way you could get away w/ on list. _Please_ don't think your
"please" fools anyone. (And I bet there are LOTS of basic differences
between us.)
Becky-
>>>These days I'm more of the "And it harm none, do what you will" mindset.
I've just never seen how fanfic of any genre has actually hurt anything or
anyone.>>>
Well, it violates copyright law. And, shouldn't those who _own_ the rights
to fictional characters get to decide if they are harmed? (You know-the
people who _created_ the universes that fanficers glom onto.) _Of course_,
the people abusing those rights see no harm & think it's all fine &
dandy-they are having fun..
I'd love to hear some PTBs _honestly_ discuss this-whether they feel fanfic
hurts them & exactly how, if slash is any different, what their opinion of
fanfic writers is, etc. Unfortunately, I believe con guests routinely
forbid questions about fanfic/slash. Wonder why that is?
Me before-
>And, exactly when DO you want to discuss slash?
Marina-
>>>Frankly, I don't. Because there are some people on this list
who can't discuss certain topics in a calm and rational manner
without yelling and insulting people.>>>
I guess you are referring to yourself, because you are the only one at all
ruffled here.
me before-
>Which reminds me that all your
>posturing about slash, fanfic, etc. rather glosses over the fact that it's
>all nothing more than creativity-challenged fans ripping off the actual
>owners of the fictional universe.
Marina-
>Oooh, burn!!
Is _that_ your idea of calm & rational discussion?
me before-
>Your saying that completely gets you off the hook, doesn't it?
Marina-
>I was never on the hook, sweetie. That's only in your mind.
1) I am really _not_ your sweetie; &
2) You don't occupy my mind at all.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:52:43 -0800
From: Jen <Data@cyberg8t.com>
Subject: Re: Slash?
----- Original Message -----
From: <jjswbt@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: Slash?
>
> Ugh! My Duncan would never do that. But Lord Byron looked kinda limp
wristed.
>
> Byron? He had a wife and daughter in real life.
>
Byron really -was- bi, though. He wrote many poems to a young, male
companion of his.
And speaking of Byron, has anyone seen the movie Frankenstein Unbound?
Jason Patric does a really great job with playing him.
Jen
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:30:25 -0000
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Slash?
Hold on a second.
If this is actually a one-sided dialogue, would this make it Hermaphroditian
fiction?
John
*a whole genre unto himself*
----- Original Message -----
From: <jjswbt@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: [HL] Slash?
> Is it time for us to discuss slash again?
>
> Damn! I have to update my calendar. I still have slash marked for
mid-April.
>
> Let's see:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Methos had the hots for Duncan.
>
> No. Duncan would never have done that!
>
> But Methos might have persuaded him because he's learned a lot of tricks
in 5000 years.
>
> Hey! Just because someone is 5000 years old doesn't mean they'll do
*anything*.
>
> Duncan's been around too...he probably had sex with some guy in the
trenches.
>
> Ugh! My Duncan would never do that. But Lord Byron looked kinda limp
wristed.
>
> Byron? He had a wife and daughter in real life.
>
> So? I see him and Methos as being attracted to each other - and the goat.
>
> Just because *you* think they look attracted to each other doesn't make it
so.
>
> The writers were obviously putting homoerotic subtext into the story since
they couldn't put homoerotic text in.
>
> They could have just written gay Immortals if they wanted to. Since they
didn't - we shouldn't start assuming that the ones shown *were* gay.
>
> It has nothing to do with being gay! It's about being attracted to a
person.
>
> Yeah, right. Straight guys always fall for other straight guys and let
themselves be buggered senseless. But they're not *gay*
>
> What are you? A homophobe? .
>
> I can hate slash and not be homophobic.
>
> Sure. If you had your way there would never be any gay characters on TV.
>
> I thought you said they weren't gay? Besides I have no problem with gay
characters. I just don't see Duncan as being attracted to men. And I
certainly don't think Richie would have buggered anyone voluntarily.
>
> OK. Richie is a special case . But Methos *definitely* swung both ways.
That nose painting scene was a classic.
>
> Harumph! Don't you know any men who goof around and *don't* sleep
together? Your circle of friends must be limited.
>
> Ha! Most men are bisexual and you just don't see it!
>
> Bite me!
>
> Right back at ya!
>
> Besides..all fanfic is illegal because it violates the copyright of the
*real* writers. You know..the ones who had to actually work to create new
characters.
>
> Phooey! No one makes any money off fanfic so TPTB aren't losing any money.
Besides, fanfic keeps the franchise in the public eye which is good.
>
> Good? When innocent people might stumble on your sick disgusting slash and
think that HL is a porn series?
>
> You can't stumble onto slash. You have to look for it.
>
> Any one who searches on Yahoo will end up with slash sites.
>
> I think most people are smart enough to realize that slash is different
than the "real" series.
>
> You think so? You haven't been keeping track of the kind of people loose
on the Internet.
>
> In any event, TPTB know all about slash and they don't mind it.
>
> They don't? Who told you that? And what if they did object? Would you
stop?
>
> They know about it because everyone knows about it. I wouldn't stop
because it's a free country!
>
> Right. And what if one of the actors hated being portrayed as a
bum-f***er?
>
> Why would he care? It's a *character*..not the actor.
>
> And no one ever confuses the two?
>
> Fans should be sensitive to the wishes of the actors and PTB but they
shouldn't censor their creative flow.
>
> Give me a break. If you had a creative flow you wouldn't be stealing
characters from other writers!
>
> There are only 6 plots in the world. Everyone steals.
>
> I said *characters*, not plots.
>
> Oh. Sorry. Different discussion on a different list. Anyway...I think it's
flattering to have someone want to borrow your characters.
>
> So if I borrowed a character from one of your fanfics and made them do
unspeakable things in my story, you wouldn't care?
>
> No. Well. Maybe...but that's different.
>
> Yeah. Now it's your ox getting gored.
>
> You could at least try to be civil!
>
> Why? I'm not the one who's practicing character assassination.
>
> Shut up!
>
> No, you shut up!
>
> Bitch!
>
> Freak!
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Wendy(Should we turn to the annual Cassandra debate now?)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Fairy Killer
> jjswbt@earthlink.net
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:27:14 -0500
From: "J. Bohn" <c-leaper@bluemarble.net>
Subject: Re: Slash?
At 05:18 PM 3/1/2003, jjswbt@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>Is it time for us to discuss slash again?
>
>Damn! I have to update my calendar. I still have slash marked for mid-April.
>
>Let's see:
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Methos had the hots for Duncan.
>[snip]
>Shut up!
>
>No, you shut up!
>
>Bitch!
>
>Freak!
ROTFLMBO!!!
Yep, I'd say that just about covered it.
::wiping tears from eyes::
Cassandra next, huh?
Is the next round of the Geezer/Newbie wars after that?
Jenni
Remember Our Troops/Add a Name: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4478
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:01:54 -0500
From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com>
Subject: Re: Harry Potter meets HL
Nina:
> I'd love to hear some PTBs _honestly_ discuss this-whether they feel
fanfic
> hurts them & exactly how, if slash is any different, what their opinion of
> fanfic writers is, etc. Unfortunately, I believe con guests routinely
> forbid questions about fanfic/slash. Wonder why that is?
Oh no! Gee, they might cancel the show!
Becky
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