There are 15 messages totalling 492 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer (6) 2. (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer 3. Well & truly a slash thing now (6) 4. Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause' (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:11:46 -0400 From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Pat > > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely > > >couple) Me: > >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes, > >it's a book). > > > >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome.... Caroline: >With Dagny or John? Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up. Morgan morrigan13@earthlink.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. --Ernest Hemingway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:11:26 +0100 From: John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer > Dagny, of course. I didn't think John quite measured up. Hush your mouth. John (consulting lawyer. maybe) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:17:03 -0400 From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Okay, I rethought my original answer. Pat : > > (who thought Hank Reardon & Francisco d'Anconia made a lovely > > >couple) Me: > >Tee hee!! Extra points for those who can name the author and title (yes, > >it's a book). > > > >Tho' I kept hoping for a threesome.... Caroline: >With Dagny or John? Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I didn't connect John with the right character), John would be much more likely, although there's really a menage a quatre going on there. I could see Hank and John. And Francisco and John. And Dagny and John and any combination of the other two. In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything.... and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself. Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard Peikoff)(is that weird or what?) "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:08:15 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now Morgan-- >Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I > didn't connect John with the right character), How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a "Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker. Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list, written in blood on black crepe paper? Slashing such noble & obviously hetero characters ... shame on you. You WERE warned. Every time you get a paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves punished. Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character (& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same principle. Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial) mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php Frell Sci Fi, just on principle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:53:15 -0700 From: "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now :::Poking my head out of the cave and looking around::: Umm, I've never h= eard of her either. :::back into the cave, dragging my sack of SciFi book= s with me::: ~Rennie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jette Goldie Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:23 PM To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now > > Several well known authors, including Lois McMasters > > Bujold, started out in fan fiction. > > Who? <shakes head> She's only one of the biggest names in SF these days. You'd have to be living in a cave to miss her - even the non-SF fans have heard of her in my experience. Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:27:13 -0700 From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now Nina wrote: >How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a >"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker. No bumper sticker, but I have used it for a sig. >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character >(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same >principle. Sorry, but you can't use me to make your point. I'm not a slasher & never have been. That was the point of my previous post. You don't have to be a slasher to take notice of sexual overtones of every flavor. I don't write slash & I don't read slash. I've nothing against it, it's just not to my taste. I sampled some several years ago and they all reminded me of romance novels, a genre I find boring. To each their own. Also, when I first read Atlas Shrugged decades ago I didn't even know there was such a thing as slash. I still thought Hank & Francisco had a physical relationship. Pat (Not everyone fits into neat little boxes with pretty labels.) (FBCRL) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:00:53 -0400 From: Morgan <morrigan13@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now At 05:08 PM 09/25/2002 -1000, you wrote: >Morgan-- >>Actually, now that I think about it (it's been a while--for a moment I >> didn't connect John with the right character), > >How could anyone mistake...never mind. Maybe I was the only one who had a >"Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker. Probably because I always referred to him as "Galt" rather than "John" when discussing the book. Yet another instance of typing before the thoughts are fully formed, I guess.... but you're right: no excuse, really. >Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list, >written in blood on black crepe paper? You put all the geezers on a Very Special List? It just warms my heart.... <g> >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the character >(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same >principle. ::checks pockets:: Nope... I don't think I have a Slasher's Union card, either. Count me as down the hall from Pat: I enjoy well-written slash on occasion, but I wouldn't lump myself into the group who slashes, as you say, "just to beat up the character." Kind of painting with broad strokes, dontcha think? >Nina (who finds it handy to have Satan on speed-dial) I find my local voodoo priestess to be more available, myself. Ain't nothing like sitting on Hell-Hold for eternity, waiting for Satan to come to the phone.... !perverse (and nobody's picked up on the Ayn Rand Mary Sue statement)(darn)(what sort of hold-muzak do you suppose Hell uses?) morrigan13@earthlink.net List Witch Emerita, Highla-L "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him" -- Jonathan Swift ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:17:45 -0400 From: Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Nina: >Ok, that's Pat, Morgan, Caroline--anyone else for my very special list, >written in blood on black crepe paper? Slashing such noble & obviously >hetero characters ... shame on you. You WERE warned. Every time you get a >paper cut, bite your own tongue, or stub a toe--consider yourselves >punished. Hey, I just asked. I don't read fanfic at all (unless someone recommends a really good - or bad - example for fun), let alone slash. I did read an Emergency! slash story once, and think I'm scarred for life. ; > Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage a decent sexual relationship. Morgan: >In a way, John's a Mary Sue. Everybody adores him, he can do anything.... >and you could argue that he was the projection of Ayn Rand herself. He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting. I'm not sure John's a Mary Sue (or Manly Sue, or whatever), though. Yes, he's a projection of Rand, but he's also the one she wants to run off with. This complicates the classification. Personally, I think she and Dagny are both nuts. It's Frisco for me, and Hank a close second. >Morgan (oddly enough, a woman I knew in high school married Leonard >Peikoff)(is that weird or what?) Yes, Morgan, it's weird. Caroline (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes) Caroline Dechert enilorac@voicenet.com "When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird." ... James Audubon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:33:16 -0400 From: Heidi <heidi@apocalypse.org> Subject: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause' According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is- Just Cause Above the Law Alex (Lisa Lackey) tells Whitney she believes that one of San Francisco's most decorated detectives (Peter Wingfield) murdered her friend, an ex- con. Gloria: Jenafor Ryane. Chief Wagner: Mark Houghton. Kaplan: Jason Schombing. Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton Sunday Sept. 29 9:00 PM, repeat- Tuesday Oct. 1 9:00 PM It says it's on the `Pax' channel. I've never seen the show so don't know what it's like. =}{= (heidi@apocalypse.org) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:29:20 -0700 From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Caroline wrote: >Actually, I'm not even convinced John Galt and Dagny had >enough energy left after a long night's philosophizing to manage >a decent sexual relationship. Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep thinkers, don't ya know. >He's a cardboard character to me. We don't see how he got >where he is; he exists primarily to present the longest monologue >in fiction. Roark is really much more interesting. I can't disagree. > (Ayn Rand's Hell muzak: current Alan Greenspan quotes) ROFL! Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:38:49 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Peter Wingfield on `Just Cause' > According to TV Guide Peter Wingfield is going to be in an episode > of `Just Cause' this weekend. The info from the TVGuide site is- Poop. I don't get PAX. > Cast: Lisa Lackey, Shaun Benson, Richard Thomas, Roger Cross, Jenafor > Ryane, Peter Wingfield, Mark Houghton Roger Cross was, of course, Derek in Little Tin God. Jenafor Rayne was Roszca's pregnant girlfriend in Leader of the Pack. Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php Frell Sci Fi, just on principle. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:33:12 -0400 From: Caroline Dechert <enilorac@voicenet.com> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Pat: >Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that >philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep >thinkers, don't ya know. My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well, mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ... philosophical discussions... Caroline Caroline Dechert enilorac@voicenet.com "When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird." ... James Audubon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0700 From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com> Subject: Re: (OT:) Re: Well & truly a slash thing now but hopefully not for much longer Caroline wrote: >Pat: > >Hey! I'm married to a philosopher, and I can unequivocally state that > >philosophizing & a sex life are highly compatible. Philosophers are deep > >thinkers, don't ya know. > >My comments were restricted to John and Dagny. Well, >mostly to John. I have happy memories of long ... >philosophical discussions... Ok, I agree with you in regards to Dagny & John. Pat (size does matter, big ... brains ... are sexy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:56:55 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now me before-- > >Marina & other slash afficianados, could you please answer me this? When > >you are in the real world & see a couple hetero guy pals goofing around, do > >you ever have slash flashes similar to those you get while watching HL:TS? Marina-- > Well... sometimes. <SNIP> me again-- > >do you think you are seeing subtext that's really there (the guys DO > >want each other sexually on some, even if unadmitted, level), or is it ONLY > >in your head? And Marina again-- > I think it's in my head, which is fine. :) Well, you ARE consistent. In fictional entertainment AND in real life, basically, you see gay people. I don't know what that might mean, but I DO think that if I realized I was seeing stuff in real life that I KNEW wasn't there, I'd be ... concerned ... & I'd chat w/ someone about it--someone who had a comfy couch, impressive plaques on the wall, & a prescription pad. Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php Frell Sci Fi, just on principle. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:58:50 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now beccaelizabeth-- > making up stuff about real people is lying. and often hurtful. so you > dont. Well, there IS the offshoot of fanfic where the stories are about the ACTORS--even slash stories. Marina--if, as you said earlier, any & all interpretations are valid, is actor slash "valid"? Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php Frell Sci Fi, just on principle. ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 25 Sep 2002 to 26 Sep 2002 (#2002-157) ***************************************************************