HIGHLA-L Digest - 26 Sep 2002 to 27 Sep 2002 (#2002-158)
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Topics of the day:
1. Well & truly a slash thing now (5)
2. HL Alum, once removed
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:35:32 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
me before--
> >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
> >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the
character
> >(& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John Galt--same
> >principle.
Pat--
> Sorry, but you can't use me to make your point. I'm not a slasher &
never
> have been.
Well, you (& a few others) joined in the ongoing slash discussion (welcome,
by the way) specifically to slash characters I mentioned. You slashed,
therefore you are ... a slasher. I really don't think there are membership
dues or a secret password.
> I still thought Hank & Francisco had a physical relationship.
It's definitely not in the text, & if anyone thinks Ayn Rand intended that
as subtext, feel free to tell me but I'll be laughing much too hard to type
a cogent reply.
A film version of AS has been threatened for several decades now, & I hope
it never gets made--& not only due to it being natural slash bait. There's
not even a good role for AP in it. The ubiquitous & generic Ben Affleck
would HAVE to be in it.... And smoking's too out of style these days.
> Pat (Not everyone fits into neat little boxes with pretty labels.)
Sure they do--if one doesn't mind a bit of mess & has the right tools.
Morgan--
> Nope... I don't think I have a Slasher's Union card, either.
Really--there are NO CARDS. (If there WERE cards, someone would have theirs
up for sale on ebay.) Slashing is a state of mind. You staked a claim
there.
>(what sort of hold-muzak do you suppose Hell uses?)
Often, it's rap. This week it's Lynard Skynard's "Freebird," on continuous
loop. Like anyone could tell.
Nina (Lost in Space {warning, warning...}, Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, Heidi,
Little House on the Prairie, Gunsmoke {that Festus...}, The Muppets, the
Lemony Snicket books, The Hardy Boys {too easy?}, Sagwa, Murder She Wrote,
the Cussler novels, Touched by an Angel, Gilligan's Island {"little buddy,"
indeed}, Gone With the Wind {Rhett & Ashley sitting in a tree}, Family
Affair, Martha Stewart Living {Martha & her home-grown clone}, Moonlighting,
Jake & the Fatman {well!}, Monk, Robert Parker's Spenser books {Spenser
shaving Hawk's head}--just some ideas for slashers to consider, if that's
the only list discussion we can generate these days)
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:57:21 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Nina wrote:
>Well, you ARE consistent. In fictional entertainment AND in real life,
>basically, you see gay people.
No, no, NO, Nina. I see slash, which is not the same thing. Slash is
fictional. When I see my brother hug his best friend I might think
it's slash*y* but I know that they really don't have anything going
on. Just as when I make comments to kids who are holding hands I know
they're just being friendly. Slash is a totally fictional thing.
Maybe this is why some people get upset about slash - they think that
slashers are casting aspersions on their favourite characters or
actors. How does one do that to a character or situation that doesn't
exist?
>I don't know what that might mean, but I DO
>think that if I realized I was seeing stuff in real life that I KNEW wasn't
>there, I'd be ... concerned ... & I'd chat w/ someone about it--someone who
>had a comfy couch, impressive plaques on the wall, & a prescription pad.
First I was in kindergarten, now I'm crazy. I suppose that could be
considered a step up. (It's a lovely madness and I don't want to be
cured.)
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:02:42 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
>Marina--if, as you said earlier, any & all interpretations are valid, is
>actor slash "valid"?
Interpretations of a *work* are valid. (Like thinking The Sentinel
is about a gay man struggling with his sexuality [that's not my
original interpretation, but I like it] or thinking Buffy isn't
about vampires at all but about surviving your teens, etc.) I
was talking about "reading" a work/book/film etc.
I don't see how one can have a literary interpretation about real
people that you haven't met, or in the case of cons etc, about
people whom you've never seen outside of an artificial situation.
So... no.
(And did you have to mention the secret handshake and password? Now
everybody will be wanting to know what they are!!)
- Marina. (Who hopes she hasn't come off as snarky but whose back
is sore from painting the backdrop.)
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:02:11 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Nina wrote:
>me before--
> > >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
> > >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the
> >> character (& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John
> Galt--same
> > >principle.
>
>Me before
> > Sorry, but you can't use me to make your point. I'm not a slasher &
> > never have been.
>
>Well, you (& a few others) joined in the ongoing slash discussion (welcome,
>by the way) specifically to slash characters I mentioned.
Sorry, wrong again. I joined the discussion in response to Liser's post.
Liser said;
>I'd be curious to know whether or not someone like me--a non-slash
>fan--has ever watched a show and decided independent of outside
>(fandom) influence that any two given characters must be homosexually
>interested in one another, despite the fact that it's never displayed
>as such on the show.
I replied that I'm not a slash-fan and still saw sexual overtones in the
Chivalry nose-painting scene.
It had nothing to do with beating up on anyone, fictional or real. And,
just to be clear, I'm equally as fond of those characters. BTW, how does
seeing sexual overtones in a scene constitute "beating up" on Duncan?
>You slashed, therefore you are ... a slasher. I really don't think there
>are membership
>dues or a secret password.
Pretty nifty when you get to define the words as you go along, isn't
it? You aren't by any chance a politician?
Sorry again, it won't wash. Slash refers to fanfic. I'd don't write
slash and I don't read slash. As I said before, I'm just a dirty ol' lady
who takes notice of sexual overtones of every flavor.
>A film version of AS has been threatened for several decades now, & I hope
>it never gets made--& not only due to it being natural slash bait.
Hey, you see it too! <g>
I'd only like to see AS filmed by someone who understands and appreciates
it what for it is. I'm skeptical of the chances of that happening. Then
again, I feel that way about most of my favorite books. The conversion
from complex novel to film is difficult and rarely well done.
> > (Not everyone fits into neat little boxes with pretty labels.)
>
>Sure they do--if one doesn't mind a bit of mess & has the right tools.
Not if the victim refuses to co-operate and has tools of her own.
Pat
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:27:06 -0500
From: Vicki Farmer <vickita1961@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Nina said:
>> > >Just proves my point, though--those characters LEAST likely to HAVE
>> > >homoerotic urges draw out slashers in droves, just to beat up the
>> >> character (& those fond of the character) a bit. Duncan MacLeod, John
>> Galt--same
>> > >principle.
>
and then later Pat asked:
> BTW, how does
> seeing sexual overtones in a scene constitute "beating up" on Duncan?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I'd like to know the answer to
that question, too.
Vicki
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:38:19 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: HL Alum, once removed
Tessie Santiago, previously starring as The Queen of Swill, um, Swords, w/
both Peter Wingfield & Valentine Pelka, is now on the sitcom Good Morning
Miami (Thursdays, NBC, after Will & Grace) as the show's co-anchor Lucia. I
don't know which was scarier--her character's lispy accent or the truly ugly
doggie on her arm.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php
Frell Sci Fi, just on principle.
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