There are 13 messages totalling 666 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Ten Years Later (11) 2. Ten Years Later-- Open Letter to Janine 3. AP's Throttle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:31:45 -0400 From: "Janine R. Shahinian" <ja9shahinian@comcast.net> Subject: Ten Years Later I was web browsing Tuesday evening, looking for reactions to Bush's "Intelligent Design" comment (that it should be taught in schools). On the CNN.com site, there was a box that linked to a special report in connection with CNN.com's 10th anniversary <http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/online.evolution/> that asked for people to share their stories about how the internet has changed their lives <http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/online.evolution/feedback/>. After a moment of thinking, "Hmm, ten years... 1995...," the memories came back in a rush. Unfortunately for me, Tuesday was August 2nd and that date ten years ago still remains one of the most depressing times of my life that I had to work very, very hard to forget in order to try to remember what happened from July 27th through most of July 31st. Those five days were some of the happiest of my life until a hate-filled forum posting went and poisoned the entire experience. Those two weeks - the last one in July and the first one in August of 1995 - represent, for me, both the very best in people and the power of the internet all the way to the very worst. My once-in-a-lifetime experience was completely the result of strangers meeting over the internet (or, more precisely, through CompuServe) and trusting each other enough in order to let magic happen. From Mario Azzopardi, who loved to reach out to Highlander fans; to Kathi Knox, who was willing to take the expensive risk with me; and to Ken Gord's piano tuner, Harreson Hewstan, who looked up the production company's address and phone number for me, I managed to pull together the elements that ultimately resulted in "Janine & Kathi's Excellent Adventure." But what few readers of that story know is that I wrote it with tears streaming down my face because I was no longer the happy narrator of the tale, and my intended audience, the Highlander forum on CompuServe, had deserted me. On July 31st, Kathi and I returned to our Vancouver hotel room after our second and final day on the Highlander set to learn (through a fax sent by Harreson) that "The Goddess" of the forum, She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, had phoned the Production office that day after hearing that we were there, spoke to Ken Gord's secretary, and then proceeded to turn everything she had heard inside-out and upside-down to declare to the entire forum that we had crashed the set, gaining access through fraudulent pretenses, that Mario denied inviting me "up and down to Cindy and TPTB" and was "p*ssed as *hell*" and, as a result, it would be "the last day that any fan *ever* sets foot on the HIGHLANDER set. EVER." We immediately called Mario at his hotel and he heartedly assured us that he would log on to CompuServe and post a strong rebuttal. Through a second fax, we saw that Mario came through with flying colors, declaring, "Janine was granted permission, she showed up on Friday and her behaviour on set was exemplary, courteous and in no way has she offended or misbehaved. She leaves tomorrow because that is the end of her visit. SHE HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM SET and unless you apologise publicly for your utterly misinformed and cruel message I will never visit this forum again..." Unfortunately for Kathi and I, that message only remained on the board for one, late night hour, after the offending message had been up for six daytime hours, since the "sysop" decided to sweep the entire thing under the carpet, telling Kathi and I that we were not to discuss it. Although Mario's support was very welcome, Kathi and I got a very odd, almost cold, reaction from Ken's secretary the next day when we went back to deliver a large box of chocolates for the crew. We came away feeling as though *something* must not be right between us and the secretary, if not with the entire cast and crew, but we could not figure out what on earth it was. And so Kathi and I flew home that day feeling like pond scum, thinking that perhaps the crew regretted being so nice to us after hearing what The Goddess said, or someone else said; we had no idea. It was impossible to hold onto our happy memories when there was the fear that they were ill-gotten somehow. The report still had to get written - it was part of our "deal" with Mario. Mario invited fans to the set - AND CONTINUED TO DO SO (I even helped another CompuServe member to visit for DOUBLE EAGLE) - as a way of reaching out to the entire fan base. Mario just has such a big heart that, if you met him, you would understand why you can't keep something like that to yourself. So I wrote the report the way it deserved to be written, with an absolutely ecstatic Janine who was blown away by the graciousness of the cast and crew, while silently mourning her passing as I was no longer that person. I sent the report off to Mario for his approval and he wrote the following back on August 6th: "Janine. I have read your reports. Excellent. You should take up writing seriously. Your style flows, it is pleasant and clear. Well done. Regarding everything else, re how you felt in the office, I will investigate next week, but I honestly think you are reading too much into this. [snip]" On August 7th, after I started posting the first parts of my set report, I got the following private message from someone on CompuServe who also had access to other Highlander boards and chat rooms: "... and your account varies so much from the version I'm hearing of your little visit. I'm hearing this warm little drama as a dark comedy about innocents in terry robes being pursued by little missionaries bearing bags of trinkets when they tried to slink off and rest between shots. It's a tale where a person couldn't mutter an expletive over their lunch without a notebook being inappropriately whipped out. Amazing shift of perspective, isn't it?" I was stunned. This "version" of our set visit could only have originated from two people: the two Big Name Fans who were forced to share *their* set visit with the two no-name fans; the only other people who knew about a terry robe at that time and who were obviously gossiping about it with other fans through the internet, as Kathi and I hadn't breathed a word of it to anyone. What stung most was that I was an appreciative and admiring member of their organization and I never thought to treat them in any other manner. I had no idea before this that anything was amiss between us. I no sooner went from being a deer in the headlights to being poked right in the eye. On August 9th, I got an email from BNF #2 claiming that she had received a number of emails and forwarded files that I had allegedly written about the set visit that included comments about the two of them "that can only be termed petty and vindictive." She warned me to watch what I say "considering the controversy and criticism your visit to the set has already generated." Then came the line that was almost point-for-point what The Goddess had written: "Inappropriate conduct has already made you the topic of some discussion among those that work for the show and has caused the Highlander set to be closed permanently to any other *fan* visits." I was then threatened with the possibility that I'd be blacklisted from an upcoming Major Event. I dashed a polite response back, asking her to "Please show me where I said that" as there wasn't one scrap of communication in any form that could substantiate the claim that I had bad-mouthed those two. "In fact," I added, "the opposite is true." I also wrote: "Neither Mario, Kathi or I can think what we possibly did wrong. Every courtesy we got was either cleared first by someone there or was even offered outright. If we are to learn anything from this - if we *did* do anything wrong - it certainly makes sense to tell us outright what this discussion is all about, no? Right now *we're* the ones being talked about behind our backs, not you." Needless to say, I dashed out a forwarded copy of the email to Mario with a plea for help. He replied in two parts: "Dear J Have this [1st name deleted] person get in touch with me. I really do not know where this is coming from. I already granted Barb [last name deleted] access to the set so this proves that fan visits will still happen, once cleared with the powers that be. These are very misinformed and confused jealous people that I hate to be involved with. Mario Azzopardi" "Dear J regarding this matter the office will not respond in any way to anyone. There's enough going on to fill a day and then some to really give any attention to this petty squabble. [The Goddess] was wrong. She should have checked. Period. This XXXXX person, who NEVER HAD THE COURTESY TO APPROACH ME ON SET, and ask for my approval to visit MY set, has some nerve talking to you that way. Again, I really want this to finish. It is getting to be rather tedious. Give me her email #. MARIO AZZOPARDI" [names altered by me][caps in original] I called Mario up after getting this and we had a nice chat. Basically, he took this personally since his intentions were to make people happy and now "jealous people" were ruining it for him. After ten days, I was long past due in writing Ken Gord a thank you letter because I still wasn't sure what I was supposed to say: "Thank you" or "I'm sorry" for something I didn't know I had done. So I finally decided to do both. Included with the letter were three hard copies of the set report for Mario, Adrian and one for him. I was going away the next day on a 10-hour road trip with my kids to a family reunion, yet I stayed up half the night in order to lay out a nice format for the report, with the fancy Highlander font for the title on paper that was printed with lightning bolts on it. After being incommunicado in the Pocono Mountains for a week, I phoned my husband from his parents' house in Philadelphia. He reported, "Some guy called you yesterday; he said he's with Highlander. Probably one of your goofy friends who needs to get a life." I couldn't imagine who it could be and asked if he got a name. My husband said he didn't catch one, but that he had told this person that I'd be home on Monday. Evidently, this person said he'd call back and then the mystery would be solved. When I went to bed, it hit me who it was. And I knew it meant that things were OK. I got to plan what I could say so that I wouldn't sound like an idiot. I stayed by my phone all day Monday (catching up on email) and all day Tuesday. Then at 9 pm, the phone rang. Sure enough, it was Ken Gord. He had called out of concern over my letter and wanted to reassure me that everything had been fine with my visit. I told him that meant a lot to me. Had I been tongue-tied, that would have been all I would have been able to get out. But I had to find out why two separate people thought I was the cause of the set being closed to other fan visits over my account. Ken assured me that my visit had nothing to do with this new policy and said it was a shame that the one got connected with the other. What had happened is that, almost simultaneously with our visit, the office had gotten almost a request a day from other fans to visit the set. This was too many for them to cope with. How could they pick and choose? After consulting with Adrian, the two decided that they would say "no" to all future fan requests. He added, "You can post this on the internet." He loved my set report and assured me that Adrian enjoyed it as well. Ken's call meant the world to me. Although happy and ecstatic Janine was long gone, at least she could finally rest in peace. I'm just lucky that she remained with me long enough in spirit through her excellent notes that her happy tale got written out so that others could feel what it was like to be on the set - including me. You may think I'm crazy for saying that, but it's true. My own memories of the experience were so ruined by those back-stabbing fans that I can only experience the joy of it "vicariously" through the report and the pictures. The only explanation I could come up with to explain Cindy's odd behavior towards Kathi and I on the morning of August 1st is that we must have innocently violated protocol by accepting Mario's offer of a ride out to the set on Monday. That's the only thing she could have been upset about, as she was party to all of my communications with Ken Gord to obtain permission for the visit. It must not have helped to have the other VIP fans standing around in her office on Monday morning as they waited for a ride out to the film location. Given what I later learned, they must not have been happy campers. The good news is that my tickets for said Major Event arrived without any problems. While the CompuServe forum members mostly shunned me, I'm lucky that Jill S. had already gotten me involved with HIGHLA-L at that point. And it helped that I had a nifty photo album with which to make new friends. Rachel S., who arrived in the CompuServe forum after this mess, was a saint in allowing me to unload The Whole Thing word-for-therapeutic-word to her sympathetic ears and over-burdened computer. Then Kip Guinn and Marina welcomed me onto this list with the same willing ears and eyes. As for The Goddess, I don't know what's become of her. But I followed Mario's suggestion that I take up writing and had a very nice cathartic experience in writing the fanfic, "Deadly Secrets." As for BNF #2, all I can say is that she either had a very strange filter on her computer that turns any casual mention of her name on my part into slanderous vitriol, or she cultivated an odd collection of people in fandom who did her the favor of twisting my words enough to get a reaction out of her. Either way, I had the unpleasant experience of having several of my expensive, fan-oriented vacations tarnished by her treating me as a persona non grata. At the last event, she even threatened to sue me for libel if I ever mention her name again. So despite the fact that this post doesn't state her name, I expect I'll be hearing from her lawyer by Monday. Ah, yes, ten years on the internet. They were the best of times, they were the worst of times. Only, you never had the rest of the story until now. - Janine Shahinian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:21:13 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: Ten Years Later In case there are any newbies on this list, this is a link to the original delightful report on the set visit. The report is a classic in fan history. _http://members.aol.com/zebrasuit/excellent/728b.htm_ (http://members.aol.com/zebrasuit/excellent/728b.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:01:38 +0200 From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later Wow, has it been ten years already? It honestly doesn't seem like it. I bet the culprits in that whole drama have found other celebrities to stalk and other shows to give their (hah) talents to. And those shows are welcome to them. Mario was right when he said it was because they were jealous. I know the BNFs threatened to sue YOU for mentioning their names, but I could... That whole thing still burns my behind. - Marina. \\ "So what do you wanna do?" ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // "I'm not sure... as long as it doesn't || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ involve putting on a suit and doing a lot ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // of flying." - Chloe and Clark; Smallville || \\ \\============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============|| // //============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\ "You know, Kent, it's always been my policy to back my reporters one thousand percent. I mean, if you went up there and opened those windows and told me that you could fly, I'd back you up. I'd miss you, but I'd back you up." - Perry White; Lois & Clark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:34:50 +0100 From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later I think we all have our stories of unfortunate encounters (for both sides) when it comes to fans or people in certain positions who wield too much power (or think they do). There's always going to be a certain amount politics involved and I've heard stories about people that I know to be true, stories I know to be 100% false and stories where I can absolutely see both sides of a situation even if the people involved can't. But sometimes it does indeed go past being disgruntled, being dissatisfied or getting the thin end of the wedge - when the consequences are to do with reputation and accountability. There HAVE been a small number of people in Highlander fandom who have behaved appallingly over the years, but they're mostly gone from the scene now - either by attrition or legal consequence. Ain't karma grand? The truth will, usually, out - but the best rule of thumb when any rumour is heard is to stand back and see if it makes any real sense and then see if there's an 'official' line from the people involved. I can honestly say that the fans who currently hold any 'privileges' within the Highlander realm, seem to be the ones who've earned it through hard work rather than delusions of relevance. Apart from me. I just lucked out and no-one noticed ;) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "T'Mar" <tmar@SIFL.IID.CO.ZA> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [HL] Ten Years Later > Wow, has it been ten years already? It honestly doesn't seem like it. > > I bet the culprits in that whole drama have found other celebrities > to stalk and other shows to give their (hah) talents to. And those > shows are welcome to them. Mario was right when he said it was > because they were jealous. > > I know the BNFs threatened to sue YOU for mentioning their names, but > I could... That whole thing still burns my behind. > > - Marina. > > \\ "So what do you wanna do?" ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // > // "I'm not sure... as long as it doesn't || R I C H I E >> \\ > \\ involve putting on a suit and doing a lot ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // > // of flying." - Chloe and Clark; Smallville || \\ > \\============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============|| // > //============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\ > > "You know, Kent, it's always been my policy to back my reporters one > thousand percent. I mean, if you went up there and opened those > windows and told me that you could fly, I'd back you up. I'd miss > you, but I'd back you up." - Perry White; Lois & Clark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:33:20 -0400 From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later Oh! Oh! Can we all play?? After a moment of thinking, "Hmm, ten years... 1995..." the memories came back in a rush.(or that may have been the effect of bending over too fast) Unfortunately, for me, ten years ago still remains one of the most depressing times of my life (which indicates that my life really hasn't been all that depressing)(there isn't any life-threatening illness or death involved in this story)(I may have gotten a bruise) that I had to work very, very hard to forget in order to try to remember what happened from August 15th through most of August 19. See I really really wanted to remember the 15th -19th but I wanted to forget August 19th to August 24th. Actually, I'd like to remember part of August 19th.... just the morning.... maybe lunch. Yeah, lunch was good. And dinner on the 21st. I slept pretty well on August 23rd, so I'd like to remember that too. Those five days, August 15-19th (plus the bits from the 21st and 23rd)(And maybe a few hours on the 22nd when I was at the pool.) were some of the happiest of my life (barring a lot of beery days in college)(and a fantastic three years in law school)(my wedding day was pretty happy) (the birth of my two children was kinda nice too now that I think of it)(playing with my cat makes me happy) until a hate-filled posting went and poisoned the entire week (except for that lunch on the 19th)(And the pool time)(And sleep on the 23rd)(and 21st at dinner )(maybe a minute or two on the 20th when I had that margarita )(Jose Cuervo and Grand Marnier)(Hmmmmm) There I was, all happy that I had successfully ground some newbie into the dust for suggestion that Coke and pine trees have nothing to do with Quickenings. I had easily deflected yet another round of "She's being mean to me" and had made great sport of mocking a person-who-shall-remain-nameless who tried to pull the old "I have lots of secret supporters" trick on me. I was feeling great. Then I signed on to my computer (probably using AOL)(Now that takes me back)(Come on, we were all young once) Even now I can see that nasty message posted by some idiot who didn't agree with me that Dr. Anne was *not* a bitch for leaving Duncan to raise her baby alone and in Immortal-less safety. I was stunned. This "version" of "Mortal Sins" could only have come from two sources. People who didn't like me or people who were unmitigated fools. I sat at my computer (it was in a small office we had added to the house)(The walls were blue)(I could see trees out the side window.) (Was there a rug?) and wanted to cry. What had I done to deserve this treatment? Hadn't I always been eager to hear other people's half-ass opinions? Hadn't I been open and welcoming to everyone who agreed with me? Didn't I *try* to suffer fools gladly? And what did I get? Stabbed in the back (getting stabbed in the back is bad) (Spinal damage.) (Punctured kidneys.) (Shirt repairs) I no sooner digested the fact that I was being openly disagreed with (I may have also had to digest breakfast.) (I think it was toast.) (Maybe some juice) when I was hit again - this time with a stuffed dog thrown by my daughter. (This is where the possible bruise comes in) I dashed a polite response back, pointing out that Dr. Anne had every right to reevaluate her life choices after seeing Duncan fight Daimler. I noted that Duncan understood, so we should too. I pointed out that people who disagree with Dr. Anne are probably childless freaks who wouldn't know a mother's protective instinct if it came up and smacked them across the face. Then I signed off the computer (Was I running Window 95?) and took a break from my Highlander obsession to fix my children some lunch. (Maybe we went to the park.) The good news is that the fool who dared to disagree with me was easily frightened by the sound of Cobra gunships and disappeared to safer ground (probably one of those forums where people drooled a lot)(and worried about who was closer to TPTB than everyone else.) (AP shook my hand.) (Well, he touched *my* shoulder) (He let me touch his sword.) (I stood guard outside while he peed!) (Well, an unnamed person very close to HL told me that I was the most special fan of all.) While many people mostly shunned me, I'm lucky I couldn't really give a rat's a**. Ah, yes, ten years on the internet. They were the best of times, they were the worst of times. (If one defines best and worst of times by the tone of one's email) #sweetness&light(What?)(You mean it isn't a game where we try to write long stories about perceived wrongs done to us by people we hardly know, talking about inconsequential things that no longer matter and hardly mattered a decade ago?)(My mistake.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:41:51 -0500 From: ctaylor <ctaylor1@kiva.net> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later-- Open Letter to Janine This is an open letter to Janine because I couldn't mail this to her = privately. Her comcast email address kept bouncing. Dear Janine, I just read your 'ten years later' letter. It simply broke my heart. = I remember when I first read your HL set report that I thought to = myself, those girls must surely had an adventure of a lifetime! How = little did I know until you wrote this letter, that basically, you had = been ambushed, blind-sided, set up, tarred and feathered, and had about = as much fun as a drive-by shooting. =20 I'm truly sorry that some people can be so cruel with no reason. But = if it helps any at all, I thought your HL report was a wonderful gift to = all of us.=20 >But I followed Mario's suggestion that I take up writing and had a = very nice cathartic >experience in writing the fanfic, "Deadly Secrets." =20 I'm glad that you had a good experience when you wrote "Deadly = Secrets." I didn't know that you wrote fanfiction. I would love to = read your "Deadly Secrets" story (and any others) if you would send me = the link. My email address is: ctaylor1@kiva.net Thanks Janine. Sincerely, ctaylor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:02:36 +0200 From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later I'm still amazed that I got out of 1995 alive. I was doing the work of three people that year. Or four, if you count writing a script that had to be produced in four months. Or five, if you count spending those four months working on choreography with uncooperative people. On the plus side, the star of my play is a national television star now so it wasn't all bad. What does this have to do with Highlander? Nothing. :) (If Wendy can do it, so can I.) Seriously, it was all new then and exciting, and reading the list was a lot of fun. I saved a lot of the stuff from the old days. I think my favourite was still Kip with the pillows duct-taped to himself. And logan with his darned logic. And Wendy insisting she was a badger, not a weasel (I see she's out of denial now). And the other Wendy with the dragons... SERIOUSLY, this was TEN YEARS ago? How time flies. - Marina. (Hey! My original sig file!) \\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //==============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============|| \\ \\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============// "Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and it's cruel, but that's why there's us ... We live as though the world were how it should be, to show it what it can be." - Angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:03:40 EDT From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: Ten Years Later Janine I am so sorry to hear you went through this. I don't remember it happening. I have to say I never read such a report as you wrote. I have it printed out and files in a binder. Its really to bad someone had to make such a perfect trip be ruined for you. Your report of that and Highlander sites are truly wonderful and must save and filed away to be read over and over. you went somewhere where many of us would love to go and did not get a chance to go but you writing the report brought us there Thank you Mary Not in OZ Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:25:01 EDT From: Ashton7@aol.com Subject: Re: Ten Years Later In a message dated 8/5/2005 9:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dotiran@aol.com writes: In case there are any newbies on this list, this is a link to the original delightful report on the set visit. The report is a classic in fan history. _http://members.aol.com/zebrasuit/excellent/728b.htm_ (http://members.aol.com/zebrasuit/excellent/728b.htm) Well, I've never seen this before, so thank you. And the awesome thing for me, anyway, is that Mario also has worked on Stargate. <g> So, double coolness! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:25:35 -0400 From: bizarro7@aol.com Subject: Re: Ten Years Later Hmmm. I get the oddest feeling that at least one of the protagonists of the tale is still around. Can ya smell the toxins? Leah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:21:56 -0400 From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later Lean says: > Hmmm. I get the oddest feeling that at least one of the > protagonists of the tale is still around. Can ya smell the toxins? Nope. Wendy (Not involved in Janine's tale of woe in any way, shape or forum) Immortals Inc. immortals_incorporated@cox.net "Weasels for Eternity" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:47:47 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Ten Years Later > After a > moment of thinking, "Hmm, ten years... 1995...," the memories came back in > a > rush. > Unfortunately for me, Tuesday was August 2nd and that date ten years ago > still remains one of the most depressing times of my life that I had to > work > very, very hard to forget in order to try to remember what happened from > July 27th through most of July 31st. Those five days were some of the > happiest of my life until a hate-filled forum posting went and poisoned > the > entire experience. Dear Cassandra, It's ancient history. And, rather warped. Have a beer, & get over it. Sincerely, Methos Nina (&, no, I wasn't even online 10 years ago) mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:04:33 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: AP's Throttle I confess to just watching a DVD of Throttle. Really, the perfect example of straight-to-video film-making. Just bad on SO many levels.... Helpful tip--rent it at Blockbuster if you must, rather than buying this dud online. Nina (sorry, but even AP looked bad this time around) mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 4 Aug 2005 to 5 Aug 2005 (#2005-94) ************************************************************