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      Topics of the day:
      
        1. HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 May 2005 to 30 May 2005 (#2005-54)
        2. Season Six DVD Commentary:  Patient Number 7 (3)
        3. the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT (2)
        4. Season Six DVD Commentary: Patient Number 7 (2)
        5. Actors and their characters  :::was  Season Six DVD Commentary: Patient
           Number 7
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:27:35 EDT
      From:    Highlandmg@aol.com
      Subject: Re: HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 May 2005 to 30 May 2005 (#2005-54)
      
      Hi
      
      _Sci Fi Chats_ (aol://2719:3-1899-Sci%20Fi%20Chats/)  Well time  has come and
      the last OFFICIAL HOSTED CHAT will be held with Jill and Denise as  hosts.
      (WE still be chatting but with out the official hosts) So please if you  were
      one of the chatters please come to the last Official chat same room.  wonders
      what AOL wants to drive folks away
      
      Love
      
      Mary
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:23:10 -0400
      From:    Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
      Subject: Re: Season Six DVD Commentary:  Patient Number 7
      
        From: "R. Shelton"
        I've listened to all the commentary's for the movie & TV show DVDs I
        have so far, and I've never heard anyone criticizing each other
        either. That's a bit weird.
      
      >From the replies I've gotten, it does seem to be somewhat unique to
      the HL commentaries. Thanks everyone for the answers. Can you picture
      what would happen if they made those same comments (especially the
      ones against AP) at a HL con in a room full of fans?
      
      =}{=
      
      (heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:39:50 -0400
      From:    Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
      Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
      
        From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com>
        That's why we have endings like in Highlander, or Hercules,
        even Xena: the camera is panning back, no longer following the
        character's life, but their journey continues.
      
      Having HL end that way was much better then if they had suddenly
      tried to tie everything up or change things (like Forever Knight's
      last few episodes). As for the others, didn't they kill Xena at the
      end of the series? I didn't watch the show much but I remember
      reading something about the character being killed off.
      
        The Methos Chronicles could have easily been done, but from what I
        understand, TPTB didn't see that a gray character such as Methos
        could be the lead of his own show.  It might have been a good thing
        that a Methos show was never made if they would have ended up
        buthering up his character as badly as they did Amanda's. *sighs*
      
      I would have liked to have seen a Methos series but I wonder what
      they could have come up with that would have gotten enough of an
      audience to keep it on the air. Since he tried to avoid fights or
      get involved with people it's hard to picture him as a series
      lead. I know fans have talked about the idea of Methos and Joe
      sitting around telling stories, but that would just make him a
      narrator rather then a character. I don't think having a story
      every week about an Immortal we've never seen before and wouldn't
      see again would go over very well. We saw some of that with the
      spinoff tryout episodes, and those had the benefit of having the
      ongoing character of Duncan in them.
      
      This has a spoiler for the season finale of NCIS that aired last week
      so don't read futher if you don't want to know what happened.
      
      
        From: "T'Mar"
        I hate when a character leaves and *might* come back, because
        then the audience is left hanging.
      
      I've been reading some of the comments about them killing off `Kate'
      on NCIS and am kindof suprised at the reactions. The previews and
      commercials said they were going to kill one of the agents, and
      with there only being three or four it really wasn't much of a
      suprise who. But alot of people seem to be going nuts saying it's
      completely unreasonable and they Really want it to have been dream
      sequence, a fake setup, not really fatal, have the character transfer
      away, or any number of other really overdone cliche ways to write
      out a character. I can understand being sorry if a character you
      like is killed off, but some of these people seem to be going over
      the top. If it's done in a way and fits the show and character, adds
      to the story, and the actor/actress is leaving anyway (which seems
      to be the case), it can be alot more interesting then just having
      the character leave and an episode or two later be forgotten about.
      In this case it seemed similiar to killing Richie on HL. With SK
      wanting out, Richie could have just gone away and things would have
      gone on as always. Or if someone else killed him there'd maybe be an
      episode or two for Duncan to find/kill them, and then things would
      be back to mostly normal. But by not taking the boring typical
      route, the characters become more memorable and adds to the story-
      line. HL would have been better leaving the Ahriman sifi element
      out of the mix though. But on NCIS, killing Kate off means they're
      likely to have somewhat of an ongoing thread for a bit. And since
      Ari did it, it ties to an existing storyline. (and well it gives
      them more of a reason to keep bringing Rudolf Martin back which is
      a good thing.)
      
        Let's face it - by the time most shows are cancelled, most
        of the audience isn't watching anyway.
      
      Or in the case of Andromeda, alot of us were rooting for them to
      kill off the lead character long before the end of the series since
      people would have started watching again after that. For those of
      you who liked the early seasons and didn't know, Robert Hewitt Wolfe
      (creator/developer, original head writer) has now posted what his
      general plan for the series had been before they fired him and
      changed the direction of the show. It's on his site (www.rhwolfe.
      com) and he's answering questions and filing in more details in
      the General Media Discussion section of www.exisle.net.
      
      =}{=
      
      (heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:00:54 -0400
      From:    Judy Schneider <judyas77@hotmail.com>
      Subject: Re: Season Six DVD Commentary: Patient Number 7
      
      >From: Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
      
      >
      >   From: "R. Shelton"
      >   I've listened to all the commentary's for the movie & TV show DVDs I
      >   have so far, and I've never heard anyone criticizing each other
      >   either. That's a bit weird.
      >
      >From the replies I've gotten, it does seem to be somewhat unique to
      >the HL commentaries. Thanks everyone for the answers. Can you picture
      >what would happen if they made those same comments (especially the
      >ones against AP) at a HL con in a room full of fans?
      >
      Another thing that drives me nuts about the HL commentaries is that Bill
      Panzer and David Abramowitz seem to be unable to distinguish between the
      actor/actress and the character.  One of them said "Tessa wanted to leave
      the show". No, Tessa did not. Tessa probably would have been upset if she
      knew she was going to die. Alexandra Vandernoot wanted to leave the show.
      Alexandra was happy that Tessa wasn't going to be on the show. Having the
      character die was the best way to accomplish that and still keep with the
      established parameters of the show.
      
      <stepping off my soapbox now>
      
      Judy, the Chocolate Slayer   judyas77@hotmail.com
        "I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:30:36 -0400
      From:    Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
      Subject: Re: Season Six DVD Commentary:  Patient Number 7
      
      Rachel:
      >   I've listened to all the commentary's for the movie & TV show DVDs I
      >   have so far, and I've never heard anyone criticizing each other
      >   either. That's a bit weird.
      
      Heidi:
      > From the replies I've gotten, it does seem to be somewhat unique to
      > the HL commentaries. Thanks everyone for the answers. Can you picture
      > what would happen if they made those same comments (especially the
      > ones against AP) at a HL con in a room full of fans?
      
      It does seem to be unusual but I have to admit it's refreshing <g>.
      
      The inane love-fests portrayed on most commentaries gets to be a bit
      much. "He was brilliant" "No, you were brilliant" "The director was
      inspired" "He made me a better actor" "No, you made me a better
      director" :::gag::::  I understand that TV is a business with a relative
      few players and no one knows when they might have to work with someone -
      so there is a need to stay positive no matter what. OTOH, we all know
      that actors/producers/directors/etc are real people and therefore there
      must be occasions when they act badly, do stupid things, screw up, etc
      and it is interesting to hear a director admit that an actor was less
      than perfect or hear an actor say that another actor was a pain to work
      with.
      
      As for the comments "against Adrian", I  don't see why D.A. show be
      tarred and feathered by HL/AP fans.  He was speculating about what
      happened to season six and Adrian's role in that debacle. As the lead
      actor, surely Adrian bears *some* responsibility?  He certainly got the
      credit when things went well.  I'm sure Adrian was tired.  I'm sure
      Adrian was ready to move on. I'm sure Adrian could be insistent about
      wanting things done the way *he* wanted things done. I'm certainly
      willing to believe that Adrian thought he was a star- maybe thought he
      was a star *outside* Highlander. Those would all be normal reactions for
      an actor who had had a series on TV for 5 years. They are also things
      that could make it hard on TPTB trying to keep the series on for a sixth
      year. D.A. was being honest...which is what I would have hoped
      commentaries would be used for - at least occasionally.
      
      Wendy (I'd like secondary unedited commentaries.)("He was drunk the
      whole time")("She slept with every actor on the set- twice!")("He
      couldn't direct a flea circus")("She always smelled like cabbage.")("He
      kept hitting on Stan.")("Wears a toupee.")("Really bad face-lift")("He
      had the habit of wandering around in black fishnet stockings and nothing
      else.")
      
      Immortals Inc.
      immortals_incorporated@cox.net
      "Weasels for Eternity"
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:48:36 +0200
      From:    T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
      Subject: Re: Season Six DVD Commentary:  Patient Number 7
      
      >(I'd like secondary unedited commentaries.)("He was drunk the
      >whole time")("She slept with every actor on the set- twice!")("He
      >couldn't direct a flea circus")("She always smelled like cabbage.")("He
      >kept hitting on Stan.")("Wears a toupee.")("Really bad face-lift")("He
      >had the habit of wandering around in black fishnet stockings and nothing
      >else.")
      
      Now, I'm sure people would pay MORE money to get those kinds! I would! :)
      
      Or we could have *fan* commentaries. Can you imagine what you (Wendy) or
      Nina or someone would do to an episode? I'd be riveted, I really would!
      
      Kept hitting on Stan? Who could blame him? Hehehee...
      
      - Marina.
      
      \\  "You've heard it said that living well is  ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  //
      //   the best revenge? Au contraire - living   || R I C H I E >>  \\
      \\   forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix   ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  //
      //===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za===========||                 \\
      \\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
      
      "What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
      "Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; 'Expecting' (Angel)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:48:40 +0200
      From:    T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
      Subject: Re: Season Six DVD Commentary: Patient Number 7
      
      >Another thing that drives me nuts about the HL commentaries is that Bill
      >Panzer and David Abramowitz seem to be unable to distinguish between the
      >actor/actress and the character.
      
      It's not solely BP and DA, though. Watching the Stargate commentaries (also
      some Angel and Buffy ones), I find that not only do the TPTB do it, even
      the *actors* sometimes get it wrong. They'll say, "And I did this..." when
      they're clearly referring to something they did as that character. They will
      talk about themselves as though they are that character.
      
      I remember, years ago, when people would interview Leonard Nimoy. He
      would *never* answer for Spock. People always had to *ask* Spock, then he
      would answer. And he still talks about Spock in the third person. Most
      actors don't do that.
      
      I do like Peter DeLuise, though. It's well-known that people refer to
      Richard Dean Anderson as "Rick", but Peter *always* remembers to say RDA's
      full name every time he talks about him as an actor. Awww. And he keeps
      saying, "He's so damn handsome." Well, you can't really argue. :) If I
      didn't know PdL was married, I'd wonder about him! ;)
      
      - Marina.
      
      \\  "You've heard it said that living well is  ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  //
      //   the best revenge? Au contraire - living   || R I C H I E >>  \\
      \\   forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix   ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  //
      //===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za===========||                 \\
      \\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
      
      "What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
      "Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; 'Expecting' (Angel)
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:55:42 EDT
      From:    Degruy@aol.com
      Subject: Actors and their characters  :::was  Season Six DVD Commentary: Patient Number 7
      
      <<They will talk about themselves as though they are that  character.>>
      
      A lot of actors I know do that.  When I am doing stage I normally  remember
      very little about the performance itself as I always try to think and  act as
      the character would.  A lot of the time when asked about an improv I  did my
      reaction is mostly "I did what?  I will have to try to remember that  for next
      time."
      
      But most TV actors are doing takes over and over again so it is easier to
      remain aware of yourself.  When you are on stage there is no "cut.   Let's do
      that again from the entrance."
      
      
      
      Edward  deGruy
      Student of Humanity
      @}----------
      "Life is not a journey to the  grave with the intention of arriving safely in
      a pretty and well-preserved body,  but rather to skid in broadside,
      thoroughly used up, totally worn out, &  loudly proclaiming- "WOW!! What a Ride!" -
      Bill  Hicks
      
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      Date:    Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:48:35 EDT
      From:    Bschep@aol.com
      Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
      
      Remember Quantum Leap? How the main character (you know, the guy in Star
      Trek: Enterprise) leaped into various historical events...   The Methos Chronicles
      could have been something like that (with flashbacks rather than leaping)...
      only the narrated stories could have flash backs -- with Methos very much
      involved --- and sometimes the as bad guy...   We could maybe have seen him evolve
      as an imortal -- form a conscience.. something like that... What do you
      think?
      
      B
      
      In a message dated 6/2/05 8:41:50 AM, heidi@BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU writes:
      
      > I would have liked to have seen a Methos series but I wonder what
      > they could have come up with that would have gotten enough of an
      > audience to keep it on the air. Since he tried to avoid fights or
      > get involved with people it's hard to picture him as a series
      > lead. I know fans have talked about the idea of Methos and Joe
      > sitting around telling stories, but that would just make him a
      > narrator rather then a character. I don't think having a story
      > every week about an Immortal we've never seen before and wouldn't
      > see again would go over very well. We saw some of that with the
      > spinoff tryout episodes, and those had the benefit of having the
      > ongoing character of Duncan in them.
      >
      
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