There are 2 messages totalling 535 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Season Five dvds: Revelations 6:8, Pt. 2/2 2. Season Five dvds: Revelations 6:8, Pt 1/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:04:52 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Season Five dvds: Revelations 6:8, Pt. 2/2 Methos sits outside Cassandra’s cage, trying to have a conversation, but Cassandra tells him she’s “not your sorry little slave anymore,” that he may have fooled MacLeod, but he never fooled her, that if MacLeod knew who Methos really was, he would have taken his head long ago. “Well, he had his chance. He didn’t.” Methos tries to get her to admit that their time together wasn’t all bad, that she shouldn’t hate herself for coming to rely on her captors, like the Stockholm syndrome, even thinking she fell in love with him, believing he would protect her. “You forgot what I was!” He tells her that if “we want to survive, we will keep him happy.” “I didn’t do it then, and I won’t now. I’d rather die.” “Well then you’ll die. And you can forget about MacLeod. MacLeod is dead.” But MacLeod is definitely not dead. He manages to track down where the base is by looking for where monkeys might be delivered, since Methos had told him Kronos was using monkeys in his virus experiments. Kronos is incensed at Silas that MacLeod killed Caspian, then got away. (“Never again will be four!”) But when Silas suggests they hunt him together, Kronos has a better idea. They go to Cassandra, finding Methos there, surprising them both when he tells Silas that if MacLeod even gets close, to kill Cassandra, then instructing Methos to come with him, that they are going to poison the city. But on the way, they feel MacLeod, who appears at the top of the stairs. When Duncan pulls out his sword, Kronos says that if he gives up, he’ll let Cassandra live, if he fights, whether he wins or loses, Cassandra will die. Duncan pauses for a moment, and he and Methos exchange a hard look, but Duncan then says he believes she’d rather be dead. “You set me up,” Duncan says to Methos, and Kronos orders Methos to tell Silas to kill Cassandra, and that she should know that it was MacLeod’s choice. Duncan calls after Methos, begging him not to do it. “Like you said,” Methos answers. “I go with the winner,” and he runs off. Methos has his sword out when he approaches Silas, who pulls her out of her cage and raises his axe to kill her, but Methos puts his sword in his way. Silas thinks it is because he wants to be the one to take her head. “Take it. She’s yours, brother.” “I am not your brother,” Methos says in almost a whisper. The fights are shown flashing back and forth between them, but the fight between Methos and Silas is especially brutal as Methos looks overmatched by Silas’ huge axe and greater strength. But then Kronos sees that Methos has betrayed him, and looks up at MacLeod with a maniacal expression. “You still don’t understand, MacLeod. I AM THE END OF TIME!” “You’re history,” Duncan says resolutely, and in a few more strikes Kronos is dead, just as Silas overreaches with his axe, goes off balance, and Methos swings a powerful backhanded blow that severs Silas’ head. The Quickenings are huge, with Methos’ groans and Duncan’s shouts barely heard over the explosions. There is a moment when a spiral light seems to connect the two, then it is over. Methos collapses to his hands and knees, weeping. “I killed Silas. I *liked* Silas!” We see the huge shadow of Cassandra loom over him as she picks up Silas’ axe. “Now I’m supposed to forgive you?” she screams, and raises the axe. “Cassandra!” Duncan yells hoarsely in a clear warning. “You want him to live?” she asks in amazement. “Yes, I want him to live.” She starts to raise the axe again, and he yells again, “Cassandra, I want him to live!” Slowly she lowers, then drops the axe. Duncan holds his face in his hands and Cassandra walks away, leaving Methos weeping on the floor. It is morning, and Duncan and Methos are in a cemetery. Duncan says Methos had to have known Kronos would come for him, eventually, but Methos just says he tried not to think about it. Methos tells Duncan that he wanted to kill Kronos, but they were brothers “in arms and blood and everything except birth. And if I judged him worthy to die then I judged myself the same way. And I wanted to live. I still do.” “Kronos was right. You set the whole thing up, didn’t you?” “What do you mean?” “You knew he’d come after Cassandra, and you let him because you knew I’d come after her. You couldn’t kill him but you hoped I could.” Methos looks briefly at MacLeod. “Maybe.” Duncan asks him about Cassandra. “One of a thousand regrets, MacLeod,” Methos sighs tiredly. “One of a thousand regrets.” And the two men walk away, not really together, not really apart. MY COMMENTS: Whew! I’m exhausted. <g> Sorry for the long, long episode description, and this is after I cut a full page out of it. There is so much going on in this episode and the nuances between the characters, while seeming small, can mean so much that I didn’t want to leave out all the rich inter-personal relationship stuff. The big question in this episode is who is Methos, and what the hell is he doing, and why? I can only give my opinion, which I know isn’t shared universally, but I will try to set it out as best I can. Methos is, both by word and deed, a consummate survivor. We are never told why he became a Horseman, but I have come to believe he did so for two reasons. First, with these four other Immortals, doing what they were doing, he could be exactly who he was without fear of discovery or persecution. He was already a couple of thousand years old by that time. How many times had he left, either voluntarily or out of necessity, a family, tribe or clan because of what he was? How many times had he been persecuted, killed, enslaved or imprisoned out of fear of his very nature? What a wonderful freedom it must finally have been to just “be”. The other reason was precisely as Kronos described it: The freedom to do whatever they wanted, take whatever they wanted, kill whomever they wanted, to exercise power on a scale unknown in the world at that time except by gods – to virtually be a god. But who is Methos today? He is still that consummate survivor, but he has outgrown his need to exercise that power, and come to abhor that part of his nature. However, to him Kronos is still near god-like in the power he exerts over his life. Clearly Methos believed that Kronos had both the will and the strength to do exactly what he proposed – to bring about world anarchy and chaos – and that to oppose him would guarantee his own death. That was a price he would not pay, no matter what other costs were involved. MacLeod was his only leverage to escape a return to what he had been, an icon for the kind of person he had wished he was but knew he could never be – not just because of his own nature, but because of what he had seen and done. He would never have MacLeod’s sense that the world “ought” to be a decent place where good was rewarded and evil was punished. Duncan was Methos’ wild card, as it were, which he kept in play by whatever means he could: dropping the matches; drawing him away from Cassandra; telling him about the virus in the fountain. I think Duncan was right, that Methos *did* orchestrate those events, but not out of any grand plan. He was just waiting for a critical moment when events might turn, when he hoped that MacLeod could be put in a position to do what Methos had never been able to bring himself to do. If Duncan hadn’t been in the picture, would Methos have become Kronos’ second-in-command, overseeing the apocalypse? In my opinion, the answer is unquestionably yes, oh yes. Even Peter W. has said much the same thing – that Methos’ priority was, first and foremost, to survive. Niceties like avoiding doing bad things were a distant second to that Maslovian pyramid point. He couldn’t kill Kronos, even in the face of what Kronos was prepared to do, but despite Kronos’ need of Methos as a foil for his own evil genius, he knew Kronos would kill him without hesitation if he truly worked against him or tried to leave him. And this brings me to a comparison that occurred to me as I recalled the end of “The Valkyrie”, where Methos refuses to answer Duncan’s question about who judges him. Methos, in essence, had refused to judge Kronos or himself because to do so would require him deal with the consequences of his history. Duncan, to the contrary, *does* judge others and acts on that judgment especially when it comes to behavior that threatens the life of mortals. He also, however, judges himself, and can be very harsh on himself for doing the wrong thing, or even doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. So, Methos feels he has no right to judge anyone, but chooses to become best buds with someone he knows to make such judgments. Do we sense something Freudian here? Does he have an inner need to be, if not forgiven, at least accepted by someone like Duncan MacLeod because if MacLeod can learn to accept him, then Methos is somehow more comfortable in his own skin and can truly put the past behind him? Just a thought. And does refusing to make judgments make Methos the better man, or just someone who takes the easy way out of morally ambiguous situations? Whatever judgments are made and whoever makes them, Methos has, in some deep part of his soul, recognized that Kronos could not be allowed to live, not just for his past acts, but for the very essence of who he was. Methos’ dilemma was that, at one time, he was no different from Kronos, and no less worthy to die. The fact that Methos wanted desperately to live at virtually any cost also cast him more into Kronos’ moral cesspool. And that brings us to the fight with Silas. Boy, is it ever clear he didn’t want to do that, so why did he? He couldn’t possibly know the outcome of the fight between Duncan and Kronos. It could go either way, so he didn’t do it to help MacLeod. Then did he do it just to save Cassandra? There are probably those who will argue otherwise, but in my opinion, that was truly at the heart of his actions. The self-disgust he manifests when he talks about Cassandra dying a dozen times in the desert being worth it just to get away from them makes it clear to me that in some fundamental way Cassandra is a living representative of all those he had wronged so horribly so long ago. I don’t think Methos knew until he ran off on Kronos’ errand that, faced with the idea of Cassandra’s death at the Horsemen’s hands, he finally did that which, up to that point, I don’t think he had been ready to do – to lay his life on the line for a concept, a notion of honor, a belief that it was the *right* thing to do. Duncan, it should be noted, never suggested that Methos deserved to die, only that he was appalled at the history that Cassandra had related, and that he felt betrayed that Methos had lied to him. He has certainly killed and/or hunted for personal vengeance (Kern. Culbraith. Kiernan.), so he understands Cassandra’s feelings, but he also knows today’s Methos and has learned to trust him with his life. Every step of the way, Methos’ actions can be interpreted as either incredibly self serving and manipulative, or altruistic, and Duncan never really knows which, but he chooses to cling to the possibility that Methos is still the man he originally believed (or wanted him) to be. Very, very complicated, and not easy to get past the sense that Duncan had been played for a fool, and dangerously so. It is hardly surprising that in the end Duncan is still angry and suspicious that he still doesn’t know what Methos’ agenda really was, whether he *and* Cassandra had merely been pawns manipulated to extricate a dangerous thorn from Methos’ side. Methos’ only true moment of complete vulnerability had been when he wept at the loss of his friend Silas – a simple man, but also a beast who had smiled as he watched Caspian murder the doctor, and as he watched Kronos prepare to kill Cassandra with the knife she had stabbed him with so long ago. Did Cassandra decide not to kill Methos because of Duncan? At least partially. He was the voice of reason, of sanity. He had been telling her all along that vengeance would never bring her peace – a lesson he had learned the hard way. It was something she knew intellectually but until that moment she hadn’t come face to face with the power of letting go. Not killing Methos must have been incredibly freeing for her, once she was past the immediate emotional crisis. She finally let go of thousands of years of hate and fear and took back her life. I’d like to think she might have done that on her own, but Duncan’s voice demanding that Methos live was the small push she needed to make that break with her past. As for an overall assessment of the quality of the episode, I think it was brilliant. Somehow, the writers and AP managed to pack in an incredible amount of nuance among the four Horsemen, show the core of the relationship between Methos and Kronos, and layer subtlety upon subtlety so that even as we are peeling back the layers of time and relationship, we remain uncertain who is the manipulator and who is the manipulated. The space was brilliantly decorated and used and managed to convey a mix of ancient world and modern world in a dark, shadowed space full of hard edges that were, in a bizarre way, kind of beautiful. The special effects of the quickening didn’t really work, and was the one moment of cheesiness that bothered me. I think I heard a comment by AP somewhere (the “best of” video, maybe?) that he really hated that post-production effect, but they ran out of time to change it. The battles (I think “swordfight” is too tame a term for those confrontations) were stunningly done, with the intercuts between the two combatants paced for maximum tension and visual interest. The personalities of all the fighters emerged in the way they moved and defended, so it was truly a violent ballet of grotesque beauty. The meaning of the joint Quickening business has been explored ad nauseum, to no definitive conclusion, so I’ll leave that to each viewer to interpret however they choose. If you want to know my take on it, write me and I’ll give you a couple of links that will more than amply cover that topic. I could probably keep rambling on because there is so much meat in this episode that involves interpretation and comparisons with what we have seen in the past of these characters, and what we will learn of them in the future, but that is fodder for discussion, not lecture. <g> MacGeorge All episode commentaries at: http://www.wordsmiths.net/MacGeorge/episodes/indexframeset.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:04:39 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Season Five dvds: Revelations 6:8, Pt 1/2 Commentary w/screen captures available at: http://www.wordsmiths.net/MacGeorge/episodes/Season5/Revelation.htm COMMENTARY: David says the episode was shot in Bordeaux and they had great parties, tons of wine, and the episodes looked great and felt great. Adrian, he says, did a great job as a director, that he worked the actors harder. The bottom line is that, “he directed the hell out of the episode. The fight sequences were wonderful,” and as much as he and Adrian used to fight (and he says they “used to go at it pretty good”) he delivered the episode. Valentine P. says there was an element of fun to playing Kronos that was difficult to describe. Val says that Kronos probably wouldn’t have hesitated to take Caspian’s or Silas’ head if they had talked back to him, but not Methos, because Methos completes him. Val said playing with Peter was fun, (“He’s a real giggler.”) and working with Adrian was fun and that they were still in touch. He says that Adrian had them work one long, 10 hour Sunday just on getting the relationships right, the pecking order, what their likes and dislikes were, to make rounded relationships and characters, with great attention to detail. When they were on set it saved a tremendous amount of time, but it also clarified the relationships, which showed on screen. The more you know about the character and are in tune with what the director wants, the quicker you can work. Because Adrian was both playing MacLeod and directing, that Sunday was crucial because they’d ironed out the sort of problems that could have led to long discussions on set. The other benefit was that during the final fight, if they needed to cut, Adrian could call the cut from inside the scene, give Val a brief note on what to do and when and where they were going to start up again. Val notes that when you fight somebody as good as Adrian, he’s up to speed, his responses are really finely tuned. Adrian made allowances for the guest actors not being as fast as he was, which was great, and he pulls his blows, “which is a relief.” If it’s not a case of remembering 60 moves, if you can get it into your muscle memory, you can play the scene and really intend to kill them, but at a distance where you’re safe. Once you’ve got that, and your opponent has that, then you can go “hell for leather” with a freedom that is rare in sword fighting scenes. Obviously there is a limit to what you can show, but the intention behind the blow can sell the emotion of the moment. (They show a bit of the unaired clip of Methos and Kronos in Greek times) Peter talks about the flashback shot (which they show a moment more of) between Methos and Kronos in Greek days that was the most embarrassing thing he had ever committed to film. Val Pelka and he in *really* bad wigs, very skimpy short “tuxedo towel things” (Val: “English legs are not meant for skirts!”) Peter (looking pained) says he hopes the film was destroyed, but fears it still lives somewhere (and they show more of it). Peter sighs, covering his face with his hand, and tells the story of Methos trapping Kronos and putting him in a pit (Val: “Well he *did* and I learnt there to read books!”) and hoped that he would never again resurface. In Freudian terms, Methos buried away the bad part of himself, but he couldn’t kill it. When Kronos comes back, it’s like all that stuff comes back and it’s still alive and in him. In Peter’s opinion, throughout the CAH and Rev events, Methos was making it up as he went along. The story reminded him of Hamlet, where people argue about whether he was crazy or pretending to be crazy, but Methos was moment-by-moment doing what he needed to survive. However, Peter felt there was always the chance that, at some moment Methos would decide, “Okay, MacLeod’s gotta go.” If Kronos had won out, Methos would have gone with him and survived as best he could, but he didn’t feel like there was any love or respect left in Methos for Kronos. There is lovely plan and counter plan and subterfuge going on throughout the whole episode and an edginess about every part of their relationship. If MacLeod had fallen, that edginess would have continued. The big question was how much Methos and Kronos needed each other. Adrian says the dilemma was that MacLeod was going after a friend, but something was telling him that Methos was doing what he was doing for a reason. It might be a sick reason, but there was some good in him that was never going to allow “the whole mess to occur.” He said he said he tried to find in each of the scenes that critical point where you had to guess whether Methos was good or just going back to his bad side, to keep the glimmer of hope alive in MacLeod that Methos was still good. Adrian says that both directing and acting in the show was a real challenge because of the sheer size of it. In discussing the Quickening, he says they’d never played with two simultaneous Quickenings, and the question was whether their spirits joined at that point. There was a real symbolic idea that during the Q, with two men who had two totally different ideologies of life still believed in a truth, although Methos notion of truth was very discolored, from MacLeod’s point of view. David A. ends the commentary noting that, “Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn’t. This time the magic worked, in spades.” OUTTAKES: They show the filming of Silas throwing the axe into the tree. In actuality, Richard Ridings throws the axe into the brush, and it is F. Braun McAsh (who, eventually, after several tries) actually throws the axe toward the tree. The motion of the axe actually hitting the tree with Kronos and Methos standing nearby was actually a trick of the camera angle, with F. Braun swinging the axe. That took several tries, too (with F. Braun cursing a fair amount). The scene in the insane asylum where Kronos is trying to extricate Caspian actually starts with P.W. adlibbing dialogue: “Okay, we’d like him. We’d like the f**king crazy guy, okay? I know he’s f**king crazy, but we want to take him away.” In that scene, the background business of Silas whittling a flute was something the director and the actor came up with. That business stuck in Gillian’s head and became integral to the story Gillian wrote for the “Evening at Joe’s” anthology. In a second take of the same scene, Val forgets to put the envelope of money in his pocket and curses himself. They show the filming of the final moments of the fight scene and then the Quickening. The second clip is filmed in slow motion so the sound continues at regular speed, but the action is slowed down, which is a little peculiar. We hear the explosions go off, and hear Peter groaning and yelling before he actually makes the physical moves. THE EPISODE: A summary of previous events is shown as a prologue, ending with Methos and Kronos on horseback in the backwoods of the Ukraine, with Kronos complaining about how long it was taking to find Silas. (Methos: “Have I ever lied to you?” Kronos: “Have you ever done anything else?”) They come upon a big, burly Immortal chopping wood and initially the confrontation is tense, then he throws back his head and laughs, calling them brothers and picking up Methos and hugging him. Joe helps Duncan and Cassandra look for the other two Horsemen, with Duncan advising that if they are still alive, that’s where Kronos and Methos would be headed and locate Caspian in an insane asylum in Bucharest, Romania. Kronos, Methos and Silas are already there, of course. Kronos bribes the doctor in charge to let Caspian go, but once the doctor has opened the cell, they stand by and allow Caspian to kill the doctor. As they leave, we see Methos deliberately drop a book of matches. At a bizarre, dark space in Bordeau that Methos tells Silas is Kronos’ “idea of Camelot,” the newly reunited Horsemen settle in, with Caspian and Silas arguing about the nature of their next reign of terror. Kronos exhorts them to remember who they were, that no band of men had ever been more cruel or more feared, and they all join hands. Duncan and Cassandra go to the insane asylum, where finds the matches, which are from Joe’s bar and have an address of a hotel in Bordeaux written on the inside. Duncan is convinced that Methos left it, and Cassandra is sure Methos is just setting them up. Kronos tells his fellow Horseman that the scientific age now has “weapons of unimaginable power” that men like them – men without conscience or fear – can exploit. Kronos leads them into a laboratory full of caged monkeys. (Caspian: “You want to conquer the world with monkeys?”) But Kronos opens an electronic safe to show them a virus in a vial that he compares to ebola in its destructive power. Kronos tells them that now that they have Methos, they will have a plan to implement his desire to build a world of “anarchy and madness,” to give the world what it fears most – the apocalypse. Duncan and Cassandra check in at the hotel Methos has identified, but there is no message from Methos. Cassandra keeps telling Duncan that Methos can’t be trusted. When Methos to Kronos that they start by poisoning a fountain, Kronos is disdainful, accusing him of going soft, but Methos calls it a prelude, reminding them that the first rule of great drama is “Start small and build,” that if they want to rule the world, they have to give the world a choice, “the Horsemen rule, or they all die.” Cassandra tells Duncan that Methos is not his friend, that to kill Kronos you “cut out the heart of the Horsemen. Kill Methos, take the head.” Duncan tells Cassandra that revenge won’t erase what happened to her, “only living can do that.” But Cassandra says nothing can erase what happened. Silas is playing with the monkeys and he and Methos talk, and Methos starts to try to talk him out of their quest, but Silas only yearns for their glory days. (Silas: “Like you always said, Methos. We live. We grow stronger. And then we fight!”) Back at the hotel, the phone rings, and it is Methos telling Duncan to meet him in a church, alone. It is a tense meeting, and Duncan’s first question is to ask why Methos lied to him about knowing Cassandra, about who he was. Methos says he didn’t tell him because he knew how Duncan would react. “What I’ve done you can’t forgive,” he says disdainfully. “It’s not in your nature. Well, you accept it.” “Accept what!?” Duncan demands. “That a friend I trusted with my life slaughtered innocent people for, what, a few head of cattle? What are you going to tell me, Methos? That’s how the world was?” Methos says the world was how they made it, but Duncan corrects him – that it was how they chose to make it, how they chose to slaughter people. That prompts Methos to tell Duncan more of the story. We get another flashback to the Horsemen as they return after a raid. Methos isn’t interested in celebrating their success and Kronos eyes him warily. A pliant, obedient Cassandra is awaiting Methos in his tent, pouring his wine and washing his hands and face for him with tenderness. Kronos enters, complimenting Methos on how well he had taught Cassandra, noting that she had kept the best fruit for him, accusing him of growing attached to her. Methos denies that, and the two men face off but it’s clear Methos gives ground. “Good. I didn’t think you’d make a mistake like that, brother,” Kronos replies coldly. “Because now it’s time to share the spoils of war.” Cassandra is outraged when Kronos grabs her, and Methos does nothing as Cassandra screams to Methos to help her. Much later, Cassandra is in Kronos’ tent and she has evidently been the object of rape or abuse or both, begging Kronos not to hurt her anymore. She goes to her knees, ready to perform another sexual act, but she grabs Kronos’ dagger and stabs him. Methos hears a scream and watches as Cassandra runs off into the desert. He tells Duncan that he let Cassandra escape, that she probably died a dozen times in the process, but that it was no doubt worth it to get away from the Horsemen. Methos tells Duncan he’s with Kronos for “the same reason as always, trying to survive,” and that Duncan should get Cassandra as far away as he can, that nobody can stop Kronos, that in 5,000 years the world doesn’t change, only the details. Kronos might use different methods, but the effect would be the same, “The world living fear of the Horsemen!” Duncan tells Methos he should know him better than to think he would just let that happen. Duncan starts to leave, but Methos stops him, warning him about the virus planted in the fountain. When Duncan suggests they both go to deactivate it, Methos declines. “Oh, no! If I go up against him, I lose.” Back at the hotel, Kronos, Silas and Caspian show up at the door, pulling out the knife Cassandra had used to gut him so long ago as Silas looks on with a smile. Duncan dashes to the fountain, yelling at people to get away. He jumps in, finds the bomb, pulls a leatherman out of his pocket and snips the wires as Methos had instructed, and it deactivates. He sighs with relief, but just then the fountain starts up, and he is drenched. Back at the base, Kronos tells Methos that he had figured out exactly what Methos was going to do, including warning MacLeod. Methos tries to explain it, but Kronos is very smug in his assurance that he knows exactly how Methos thinks, that that is what makes Methos his “perfect right arm.” He shows Methos a remote control that will trigger the explosion of a small vial of the virus in the water reservoir. “We all have our own little plans,” Kronos says, then takes him to see Cassandra, who is in a cage. Kronos says he did exactly as Methos expected when Methos sent MacLeod to the fountain – he took Cassandra while she was unprotected. “That was the plan, wasn’t it?” he asks. “You see, I know you better than you know yourself.” “Which is why the plan was perfect,” Methos answers smoothly. “Your plans always are.” Then Kronos speculates about what MacLeod will now think of Methos for luring him away and arranging to have Cassandra kidnapped. Then he tells Methos that he sent both Caspian and Silas after MacLAeod. Duncan is returning to the hotel when he ends up facing Caspian coming in one direction and Silas from the other. He tries to run, but ends up on a bridge, taking on Caspian and killing him. As the Quickening strikes, Silas closes in for the kill, but Duncan throws himself off the bridge into the water. ...continued in post #2 ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Nov 2004 to 9 Nov 2004 (#2004-205) *************************************************************