HIGHLA-L Digest - 18 Oct 2004 to 19 Oct 2004 (#2004-192)
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1. =?us-ascii?Q?Re:_Season_5_dvd_Commentary:_=A0The_?= Messenger
2. `Best Of' DVD set? (2)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:07:15 -0400
From: Wendy Tillis <immortals_incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?Re:_Season_5_dvd_Commentary:_=A0The_?= Messenger
Our Sensei said:
>I always felt so vindicated by this episode. I could never understand how
>Duncan made a ridiculous leap of faith ( "...Methos?" ) and actually came
>to the conclusion with no incontrovertible evidence (and Adam Pierson
>never actually suggesting it!) that the big-nosed guy was this legendary
>oldest immortal.
I'm right there with ya, bro. <eg> I still don't understand - after many many years and many many discussions- why Duncan assumed that the Immortal he found was Methos..it was a huge intuitive leap and Duncan just wasn't *that* intuitive. Don Salzer mentions Methos, Duncan goes to look for Adam Pierson to discuss Methos, Duncan finds an Immortal at Adam's house, and VOILA! he knows beyond a doubt that Methos has been masquerading as Adam. And Duncan just "bought" every story that Methos offered as being absolute truth...9th century boats to Ireland, rode with Butch Cassidy, on stage with the Rolling Stones, haven't taken a head in 200 years, seen civilizations rise and fall...blah blah blah. It sounded (still sounds<eg>) like bad fanfic which has the hero (Methos) at every major event in human history for the last 5000 years (Methos builds the Great Pyramid ... Methos talks to Christ ... Methos talks to Confucius ... Methos talks to Mohammed ... Methos invents beer ... Me!
thos buys Buddha a beer ... Methos rides with Attila the Hun ... Methos builds the Great Wall ... Methos knows Rasputin ... Methos discovers penicillin ... Methos plays cards with Eric the Red ... Methos makes love to Cleopatra, Mata Hari, Lillie Langtry, Catherine the Great, Queen Victoria, Liz Taylor, the Empress of Japan and last Incan princess. ) Where's a bit of healthy skepticism? What ... in 400 years no one ever lied to MacLeod about his/her past?
> It was definitely an unpopular opinion here, but it was a
>heckuva lot of fun. I flat out refused to believe Peter Wingfield really
>was playing the oldest immortal Methos until they proved it, onscreen.
As amazing as Duncan's willingness was to believe and trust that Methos really was *Methos*, the fans' willingness to buy it without reservation was even odder. From his introduction in Season 3 until late in Season 5, there was no evidence that Methos was more than a few hundred years old. ...beyond his own stories (told without supporting flashbacks) and yet 99% of the fans seemed to believe him without question.
>Related bits of List lore to this assumption-gone-awry are "The Dread
>Pirate Methos", where immortals would assume the name and mantle after the
>original had slipped away some time ago... and that's exactly what "The
>Messenger" was all about.
Ah.....the Dread Pirate Methos. Man...those were the days.
The Messenger would have worked "better", IMGLO, if TPTB had played up the idea that maybe the Messenger really was *the* Methos and that our friendly neighborhood barfly wasn't. As it was, there was still no evidence that PW's Methos was the real thing...only Duncan and Joe and then Richie's belief that he was. It might have been fun to leave the "fake" Methos alive at the end ..casting that niggling bit of doubt on the "real" Methos.
>See? So I got something right in all those years of fandom. <wink>
I think you probably got more than one thing right in all those years. <G>
>(Now if they'd only gotten rid of the Watchers,
Hear hear! Never liked the Watchers. Certainly didn't like how the organization played out over the years.
>made only one movie
Oh, I could have stood more movies..if they were *good* movies. There might have been a good way to finesse the fact that "Highlander" ended with Connor receiving the Prize (some way that didn't include aliens or Immortals entombed in caves)
>and set HL:TS before it,
No...prequels blow <EFG>. If you already know where everything is going to end up, the journey is not all that exciting (Star Wars 1-3) and you are too constrained in what you do so as to not contradict canon set down in the original (ST:Enterprise). Would I have watched 6 (well, 5) seasons of Duncan's life if I knew from the beginning that he would die and Connor would win? No.
> and left Connor as the One...)
While CL did an admirable job in "Highlander", I can't say that I would have rooted for him to win if I had known Duncan or Methos were out there somewhere in the HL universe. Six (five <g>) seasons of HL:TS fleshed out the characters so much more than any 2-hour movie ever could. ..so that having Connor stand as the victor after seeing all the other possibilities would have been hard.
Wendy(We really only have proof that Methos is 3000-3500 years old.)(And we know of several Immortal of approximately the same age who survived to our time.)(So, there could easily be another, as yet unseen, Immortal who was older than our Methos.)(Maybe the *real* Methos)(Maybe our Methos was already the Dread Pirate Methos in 3000BC.)(It's possible......)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:41:02 -0400
From: Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: `Best Of' DVD set?
Does anyone have the `Best Of' DVD set from the HL Store? If so, are the
extras on that any different then on the VHS version?
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(heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:01:40 -0700
From: Sherri C <sherric@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: `Best Of' DVD set?
I have it, but I watched it quite a while ago. All I remember is being
thrilled at how clear the picture was compared to video tape...
At 09:41 AM 10/19/04, you wrote:
>Does anyone have the `Best Of' DVD set from the HL Store? If so, are the
>extras on that any different then on the VHS version?
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>(heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
Sherri sherric@empnet.com
"To build with trees, you must first disconnect them from the ground." Roy
Underhill, "The Woodwright's Eclectic Workshop"
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