There are 14 messages totalling 520 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Endgame Version Question (13) 2. Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:54:29 -0800 From: Stephen Bryce <sibryce@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question I need to point out some errors in that response. > > a) the Methos line about liberating the sword from Lost and Found > > > yes. And so did the theater/movie version No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that causing a slight plot hole in that version. > > b) the later scene where Joe kills the Renegade Watcher/sniper at > the > > Duncan/Connor fight? > > > > > no, but the alternate version on the DVD had it This sort of true; the standard extended cut has this scene, but it's context has been totally altered to the middle of the Duncan/Kell fight (which makes no sense at all). > > c) The moprhing face between Connor and Duncan > > > yes. blech The extended cut doesn't have this, but I don't remember off hand if the workprint does or not (though I doubt it, since it was a VERY last minute afterthought, IIRC). > > d) the 'Kate lives' finale > > > > both alternate versions had that but not the movie version The workprint doesn't have this, but we do see Kate being ordered out during the dinner massacre, so she survives but Duncan doesn't seem aware of it. Steve ===== "That's the news, now f*** off." 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I usually have a fairly good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_) Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:12:09 -0000 From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question > > No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that > > causing a slight plot hole in that version. > > > Are you sure? I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came > out and I'm sure I heard that line. I usually have a fairly > good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic > memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue > from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_) > Jette Nope. I do remember that NOT being in the version I saw with John Bierly and the Bar-B-Con crowd. I think it was in the workprint and possibly the DVD and finally explained how Duncan got the sword back. This was definitely a mismatch version of what I'd seen to date. For instance Jin Kae is still killed by Kell (rather than suicide) yet he starts to jump up to avoid the confrontation (but doesn't survive). Still a deeply flawed film, but this version did seem to flow a little better. Maybe it's just a while since I've watched it. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:53:06 EST From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question >> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came out and I'm sure I heard that line.=A0 And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could swear=20 it was in there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:04:49 -0500 From: JoAnne Briere <jojoann@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question 20 times ? really ? What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end ? Dumfounded Johanne At 12:53 PM 11/01/2004 -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote: > >> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came >out and I'm sure I heard that line. > >And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could swear >it was in there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:29:27 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question Jette Goldie wrote: >>I need to point out some errors in that response. >> >> >> >>>>a) the Methos line about liberating the sword from Lost and Found >>>> >>>> >>>yes. And so did the theater/movie version >>> >>> >>No, the original version didn't have that line. I remember that >>causing a slight plot hole in that version. >> >> > > >Are you sure? I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came >out and I'm sure I heard that line. I usually have a fairly >good memory for dialogue (some folks have photographic >memories - mine is a tape recorder, able to quote dialogue >from tv shows seen 25 years ago and not seen since _verbatim_) > > I'm fairly certain that scene was abbreviated in the theatre release, especially the line where Duncan says, "There's blood on it!", and Methos replies, "What? Did you think it was easy?" *That* part I'm sure wasn't included. I'm not absolutely certain whether the "liberated" line was in the theatre version. MacGeorge > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:37:17 -0000 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question > 20 times ? > > really ? > > What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end ? > > Dumfounded Johanne I'm not Dotiran, but I think I can give you a hint - it has the initials AP ;-) Jette Goldie jette@blueyonder.co.uk "If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost" http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > > At 12:53 PM 11/01/2004 -0500, Dotiran@aol.com wrote: > > >> I saw the movie in Vancouver when it came > >out and I'm sure I heard that line. > > > >And I saw the movie over 20 times the weekend it came out and I could swear > >it was in there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:40:19 -0000 From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question Associated Producer???? Geez. Who knew? ;) John > I'm not Dotiran, but I think I can give you a hint - it has the > initials AP ;-) > > Jette Goldie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:15:24 -0800 From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question LOLOL....I know, I know! It has the intials AP and it's amazingly handsome and plays the lead immie :) Mel, dodging....Does this list also have a thwapper? (If not, nevermind) --- "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> wrote: > Associated Producer???? > > Geez. Who knew? > > ;) > John > > > ===== The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain NNPacker, Natpacker, Knight of the Cross, Knightie /Duncan flag waver, Tessa flag waver Highlander-FK-Buffyverse group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highlander-fk-Buffyverse __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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The evening show on Sunday I saw here at home after driving back. So that was 9 the first weekend. Then I went a couple times during the week and even took my husband once :). The following weekend I did the same three a day thing. So yes, I saw the movie about 20 times the first week. Why? It is not that we were not critical [in fact, our entire row said "between Connor and ME" each time Duncan said it incorrectly in the movie :). And you'd have to be blind not to see the editing was a hatchet job. But as for me, it was both the fun of being with other fans who truly *understood* why we had waited so long and were so excited, AND seeing Adrian Paul on the big screen. The scene in the cemetery reduces me to drooling babble he looks so beautiful. I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be in any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too. [I drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited release of Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen that one in a theater :)] I didn't like Kell. Hated the last supper scene. I did like Faith but not the hair. I wanted her to live. [Prefer the DVD ending] I don't like bouncing heads. Some of the fight scenes were inspired especially the one with Jin Ke. The music was fabulous. By the time I left the theater Sunday I had the theme memorized. Can still hum it. There was more that I liked than disliked. So much potential. So much disappointment. But, Adrian did not/does not disappoint :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:44:27 -0000 From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question One thing I do remember of that weekend was the incredible, nay, awesome electric storm we had on the Saturday night. I'd left my camera at the hotel, but for about 90 minutes we were treated to the biggest real-life light-show I've seen since Highlander first debuted - the sort of conditions that the cinematic budget simply wouldn't have been able to beat. Some were inside watching the film again, but outside I think we got our money's worth too! :) John ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dotiran@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [HL] Endgame Version Question > In a message dated 1/11/2004 1:05:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jojoann@sympatico.ca writes: > > > 20 times ? > > > > really ? > > > > What did you see in that movie that made you go back ? the same week-end > > Ok. here is the way it was. > It has to do with the wonderful "Bar-b-con" many of us [as online friends for > many years] held at [Big] John Bierly's home in southern Indiana. People came > from all over. We had waited quite literally years for this movie. We had > talked about it on Holyground [we're all Rysher refugees] togther. We wanted to > see it together. We had a weekend blast.I know I had been saving $$$ for this > weekend for a long time. I have saved the ticket stubs. We went to two > matinees and an evening show Friday and Saturday and Sunday. The evening show on > Sunday I saw here at home after driving back. So that was 9 the first weekend. > Then I went a couple times during the week and even took my husband once :). > The following weekend I did the same three a day thing. So yes, I saw the movie > about 20 times the first week. > > Why? It is not that we were not critical [in fact, our entire row said > "between Connor and ME" each time Duncan said it incorrectly in the movie :). And > you'd have to be blind not to see the editing was a hatchet job. > > But as for me, it was both the fun of being with other fans who truly > *understood* why we had waited so long and were so excited, AND seeing Adrian Paul on > the big screen. The scene in the cemetery reduces me to drooling babble he > looks so beautiful. I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be in > any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too. [I > drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited release of > Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen that > one in a theater :)] > > I didn't like Kell. Hated the last supper scene. I did like Faith but not the > hair. I wanted her to live. [Prefer the DVD ending] I don't like bouncing > heads. Some of the fight scenes were inspired especially the one with Jin Ke. The > music was fabulous. By the time I left the theater Sunday I had the theme > memorized. Can still hum it. There was more that I liked than disliked. So much > potential. So much disappointment. But, Adrian did not/does not disappoint :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:18:05 EST From: lynnann Ward <LynnannCDC@aol.com> Subject: Re: Season Two DVD set commentary: An Eye for an Eye MacG I just wanted to say I've enjoyed reading your commentary on the episodes. It now strikes me that the reason I've always enjoyed the training scene on the cliff (usually with a heartfelt sigh) is the tension between Mac and Richie is eased by their apologies, and as Richie has said "Things were good." lynnannCDC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:53:21 -0500 From: Rebecca Wallace <717becky@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Endgame Version Question on 01/11/2004 3:31 PM, Dotiran@aol.com at Dotiran@aol.com wrote: <snip> I admit to being rabidly Adrian obsessed. Should he be in > any other movie on the big screen , HL or not, I'll be there 20 times too. [I > drove all the way to Kalamazoo, Michigan by myself to see the limited release > of > Dead Men Can't Dance and remain one of the very few people who have seen that > one in a theater :)] > I drove about 1hr15 min away to see DMCD in a theater, and met Trudy (Holtram74) in the process, and saw Endgame 5 times in the theater (4 by myself), and would do it all again, for the same reasons, Dorothy! :) -Becky <Adrian on the big screen, a box of Sno Caps... life doesn't get much better!> ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 Jan 2004 to 11 Jan 2004 (#2004-13) **************************************************************