HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 Aug 2003 to 10 Aug 2003 (#2003-182)
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Topics of the day:
1. HL Trivia--Season 4 part 3--ANSWERS
2. HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4 (7)
3. Creative Ideas on How Best to Dump the HL *Tapes*? (2)
4. Suicide and immortality?
5. the Immortal Cimoli (2)
6. HL Trivia
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:04:43 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 3--ANSWERS
HL Trivia--Season 4 part 3--ANSWERS
The Wrath of Kali
Name of Duncan's friend at the university--Shandra Devane
The reason Duncan gives Alice Ramsey for his coming to India--the food
The fate Duncan cannot save Vashti from--suttee/dying soon after her husband
Name of Kamir's extinct cult--the Thugee cult
Location of Kamir's Quickening--university planetarium
Chivalry
What Kristin calls Duncan as he lounges in her tub--"a work of art"
Louise Barton's profession--painter/artist
Methos' greeting to Duncan on arriving at the loft--"Candygram."
The footage of Richie plummeting out the window to escape Kristin is taken
from what episode--The Watchers
Duncan to Kristin (in the flashback)--"Duncan MacLeod is who I am, not some
______ _______!" (silken fop)
Name of the Chinese philosopher (a student of Confucius) who Duncan quotes &
Methos then paraphrases as "death before dishonor."--Mencius
Timeless
The 2 institutions where Claudia Jardine got her musical training--Julliard
& The Paris Conservatory
What Claudia Jardine has delivered to the dojo--a piano
Duncan's acting debut (his role & the work's title)--in drag as Kate, in
Taming of the Shrew
Alexa's job, & her major problem--waitress at Joe's, incurable disease
Methos to Alexa--"Because the alternative is ______________." (unthinkable)
The Blitz
Name of Anne's paramedic friend who dies in the collapsed subway--Mike
Diane Terrin's job--reporter
Specific location of Diane Terrin's impromptu blitz broadcast--Savoy Hotel
rooftop
Name of Anne Lindsey's baby, & who she was named for--Mary, after Duncan's
mother
Diane & Duncan fantasize about the wildflowers in what American state, as
they die--Colorado
Something Wicked
Vehicle Jim Coltec drives--Hummer
What Jim Coltec stops for on the way to meet Duncan--Chinese take-out
Coltec's title in his tribe (meaning a special type of holy man)--hayoka
Duncan's final words to him before beheading Coltec--"Travel on, Jim."
Where Duncan kisses Richie--on the top of his head (during the dojo fight)
Number of shots Joe fires into Duncan in the dojo--4
Nina
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:11:32 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
Deliverance
Name of the captain who throws Duncan off his ship?
Type of flowers Duncan gives to Dominique?
What Duncan 1st says when Dominique shoots him?
Color of the car Duncan steals?
The 2 places Duncan goes to in Paris?
What sword does Duncan take into the holy pool?
Methos--"I've known a lot of us in 5,000 years, MacLeod. Of them all, you
were the ______________ I'd seen."
Promises
Why Duncan throws Rachel MacLeod over his shoulder?
Who plays the female police inspector?
What Duncan sings around the campfire?
Reza's profession, & his crime?
What Kassim has delivered to the barge?
Methuselah's Gift
The sign Amanda uses for a quick exit?
Cover name of Watcher head-quarters for western Europe?
Name of the room where Watchers keep Immortal treasures?
Subject of the faux argument between Duncan & Amanda?
Color of the Watcher cat?
Rebecca to Amanda--"Has nobody ever ___________ you before?"
The Immortal Cimoli
Particular item Danny Cimoli is getting from the street when he is hit by
the truck?
Name of the tavern in the flashback?
What Amanda tries to juggle on the barge?
The 2 famous magicians Danny Cimoli mentions by name?
Name of Duncan & Amanda's circus act in Moscow?
Through a Glass Darkly
What sentiment is on Alexa's tombstone?
Where Methos has stored stuff for centuries?
Who plays Cochrane?
Warren Cochrane/Goddard's present-day profession?
Where Duncan stabs Cochrane?
Nina
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 22:49:34 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Creative Ideas on How Best to Dump the HL *Tapes*?
Pat Sonti wrote:
>Any other creative ideas will gratefully appreciated.
Senior center or assisted living center? Ronald McDonald House?
Pat L.
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:08:58 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
>Deliverance
>Name of the captain who throws Duncan off his ship?
Fan Fic.
>Type of flowers Duncan gives to Dominique?
Fans
>What Duncan 1st says when Dominique shoots him?
"Help! She's trying to - *fanfic*!!"
>Color of the car Duncan steals?
Whatever colour fanfic is.
>The 2 places Duncan goes to in Paris?
Fan and Fic (not too far from each other).
>What sword does Duncan take into the holy pool?
The one used for beheading bad fanfics.
>Methos--"I've known a lot of us in 5,000 years, MacLeod. Of them all, you
>were the ______________ I'd seen."
Best fanfic
>Promises
>Why Duncan throws Rachel MacLeod over his shoulder?
She wouldn't read his fanfic.
>Who plays the female police inspector?
Someone with the word fanfic in her name.
>What Duncan sings around the campfire?
Row, row, row your fanfic?
>Reza's profession, & his crime?
Fanfic writer. Obviously, distributing fanfic.
>What Kassim has delivered to the barge?
A container of fanfic.
>Methuselah's Gift
>The sign Amanda uses for a quick exit?
"Fanfic this way"
>Cover name of Watcher head-quarters for western Europe?
International House of Fanfic
>Name of the room where Watchers keep Immortal treasures?
The Fanfic Room
>Subject of the faux argument between Duncan & Amanda?
She found out he'd been boinking other women in fanfic.
>Color of the Watcher cat?
Don't know, but it's name was Fanfic.
>Rebecca to Amanda--"Has nobody ever ___________ you before?"
Fanficced.
>The Immortal Cimoli
>Particular item Danny Cimoli is getting from the street when he is hit by
>the truck?
A fanfic zine.
>Name of the tavern in the flashback?
Ficfan.
>What Amanda tries to juggle on the barge?
Three fanfics.
>The 2 famous magicians Danny Cimoli mentions by name?
Fanfic #1 and Fanfic #2
>Name of Duncan & Amanda's circus act in Moscow?
D&A's Fanfic
>Through a Glass Darkly
>What sentiment is on Alexa's tombstone?
She loved fanfic.
>Where Methos has stored stuff for centuries?
In a warehouse with all his zines.
>Who plays Cochrane?
Dougray Fanfic.
>Warren Cochrane/Goddard's present-day profession?
Fanfic writer.
>Where Duncan stabs Cochrane?
In the fanfic.
- Marina. (It's not my fault - the voices told me to.)
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:38:32 -0400
From: Pgannon <pgannon@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Suicide and immortality?
I agree with Marina - sounds like a really really good fanfic base - but,
who's going to write it? I suck at Highlander fanfic.....
Peggie ;-P
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacWestie" <mac.westie@VERIZON.NET>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Suicide and immortality?
> > Wendy:
> > >>>> OTOH, perhaps some people wake up from their ultimately
unsuccessful
> > >suicide attempt and feel better. Life is suddenly a lot more
interesting
> > >than they thought.>>>
>
> > Nina:
> > >Sounds like Methos. Now, THAT would be ironic.
>
>
> Marina--
> > And a *really* good idea for a fanfic.
>
> No one was talking about fanfic. What IS it w/ you & fanfic? Why do you
> INSIST on dragging that tired topic into EVERY discussion? Why in the
world
> do you CARE? You need to get over this bizarre obsession of yours. Get
> back on your medication. Get a life.
>
> Nina (w/ thanks to Jette, Pat, Carmel, et al, for the paraphrasing)
> mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:13:59 -0700
From: Derrick Fulkerson <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creative Ideas on How Best to Dump the HL *Tapes*?
I sold all of mine on eBay after reading that anchor bay would finish
releasing the remaining seasons of Highlander. I figured if I was going to
get anything for them, I'd better do it before they were all available on
DVD.
DericJon
On 8/9/03 6:54 AM, "Pat Sonti" <barrabas84022@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing *creative* ways on how best to get rid of the Highlander
> Series VHS tapes.
>
> I thought of the local Boys & Girls Club and I took a drive over to the local
> San Luis Obispo (CA) clubhouse. They had a collection of various tapes and
> DVDs. I noticed, however, that VHS/DVD assortment that they already had were
> in poor shape. I wondered how my HL collection would fare in that environment.
>
> A veteran's hospital will be my next stop. I wonder how they treat their
> collections!
>
> Any other creative ideas will gratefully appreciated.
>
> Pat Sonti (Morro Bay, CA)
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:46:09 -0700
From: Pat Sonti <barrabas84022@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: the Immortal Cimoli
Sensei Rob writes:
There's actually a lot in this episode, although it seems somewhat
ridiculous at first glance. I'm going to concentrate on the "K'immie",
Damon Case.
I've always felt Damon Case had much more depth to him than most other
guest Immortals. There was a recent discussion here about absolute and
relative morality, and I think Case is an intriguing character study
into how someone can adopt, and adapt, their world view to suit
immortality and the rules of the Game. (Of course, Cimoli was an extreme
counterpoint to Case, adamantly refusing to accept the reality of his new
situation).
We're introduced to Damon Case as a man uninterested in physical
pleasures, unlike Duncan's silly French (and now headless) friend. He
considers The Game to be spiritual and holy in nature, and that "ritual
combat" is a necessary part of that life. It gives him a purpose, a reason
for being, an answer to the age-old question... "Why am I here?"
"Ours is not a battle for glory, nor prying eyes."
There are a lot of reasons why Damon Case could evolve a behavioral
code close to religious fanaticism. Holy Ground is a refuge, as is stated
quite explicitly in The Rules. His age (ten centuries) and apparent
ethnicity would lend credence to a Christian/Catholic background. Damon
Case had to have died at some point, and was reborn... the implications
of a resurrection would not have been lost to a man who now spends most
of his time in presumably Christian churches, especially when
accompanied by a chanted Latin soundtrack of religious terms <g>. And let's not
forget the kneeling stance facing an inverted sword, which Case posed
in several times for the symbolically impaired.
So here is a man who adapted his understanding of Immortality to
dovetail into his religious beliefs. He was able to develop a rigid moral
code which wouldn't just allow him to battle other Immortals, but in fact
insisted that he do so. His reason for being immortal was to
participate in the Game, no more, no less. It's an interesting way to adapt one's
understanding of the universe to the reality of being immortal,
creating a new morality in the process.
Was Damon Case immoral? He clearly had a strongly defined sense of what
he considered right and wrong. How about for killing other immortals in
fair combat? For killing those who had no wish to fight?
Was Duncan wrong for protecting Cimoli? For not staying to fight after
Jean-Pierre was killed? For beheading Case for his convictions to
pursue the Game? After all, Duncan was interfering in the Game itself... and
what other purpose for immortality is there, except The Game?
But that's what Highlander is all about.
-Rob
SenseiRob@aol.com
ROB:
You ask (in a superb post) above: "Was Damon Case immoral?"
I caught "the Immortal Cimoli " on the TNN channel (back to being SpikeTV again, eh?) two days ago (7-Aug) and was struck by thoughts about Damon Case that I had not entertained in prievious viewings. In the context of Damon Case's upbringing (most likely in an unbending environment of the RC Church) and his subsequent immortality, his tenacious hold on a rigid dogmatic belief in the Christian Church and its teachings -- I do not believe Case was immoral, per se. I think Duncan MacLeod also recognized Case as being "true" to his personal code -- consider MacLeod's later comments to Amanda in an "exhibition of conscience."
I, too,see Damon Case in a newer light and very current in a post 9-11 world. Here was an Immortal who meshed his reasons for participating in the game, his immortality and his fanatical religious outlook into a seamless whole. Kinda reminds you of that Lawman in "UCoA" for whom the Law "was life."
Thoughts?
Pat Sonti (Morro Bay, CA)
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:30:27 -0700
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
Still watching Season 2, Greg answers with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
At 05:11 PM 8/9/2003 -1000, Nina wrote:
>HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
>
>
>Deliverance
>Name of the captain who throws Duncan off his ship?
Captain Morgan (Duncan drank all of the spiced rum).
>Type of flowers Duncan gives to Dominique?
Silk flowers, 'cause they last forever.
>What Duncan 1st says when Dominique shoots him?
"Ouch."
>Color of the car Duncan steals?
Chartreuse
>The 2 places Duncan goes to in Paris?
The bordello and the opium den.
>What sword does Duncan take into the holy pool?
An inflatable one.
>Methos--"I've known a lot of us in 5,000 years, MacLeod. Of them all, you
>were the ______________ I'd seen."
most flamboyant
>Promises
>Why Duncan throws Rachel MacLeod over his shoulder?
To give her a well-deserved spanking
>Who plays the female police inspector?
Stan Kirsch in drag
>What Duncan sings around the campfire?
99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall
>Reza's profession, & his crime?
Spam e-mailer; you need to ask?
>What Kassim has delivered to the barge?
Large pizza, extra anchovies
>Methuselah's Gift
>The sign Amanda uses for a quick exit?
Flashing her bum
>Cover name of Watcher head-quarters for western Europe?
Voyeurs Incorporated: We Like To Watch
>Name of the room where Watchers keep Immortal treasures?
The Oubliette
>Subject of the faux argument between Duncan & Amanda?
Who is the better dresser
>Color of the Watcher cat?
Plaid
>Rebecca to Amanda--"Has nobody ever ___________ you before?"
dressed you up in a leather vest and chaps and heartily flogged
>The Immortal Cimoli
>Particular item Danny Cimoli is getting from the street when he is hit by
>the truck?
Crack pipe
>Name of the tavern in the flashback?
The Chug 'n' Spew
>What Amanda tries to juggle on the barge?
Bottles of nitroglycerin
>The 2 famous magicians Danny Cimoli mentions by name?
Penn & Teller
>Name of Duncan & Amanda's circus act in Moscow?
Dumb and Dumber
>Through a Glass Darkly
>
>What sentiment is on Alexa's tombstone?
The Only Wife That Got A Headstone Because She's The Only Wife Who Gave Me...
>Where Methos has stored stuff for centuries?
Under his mattress
>Who plays Cochrane?
Ozzy Osbourne
>Warren Cochrane/Goddard's present-day profession?
Door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesman
>Where Duncan stabs Cochrane?
In the library with the candlestick
....Greg....
gmate@rogers.com
He Who (unlike Marina) Does Not Engage In Baiting
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:57:49 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
>....Greg....
>He Who (unlike Marina) Does Not Engage In Baiting
She started it! <Pout> I was just making an observation!
- Marina.
\\ "Good girls go to heaven. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Bad girls go to Smallville." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - 'Sorority Boys' wallpaper ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=======tmar@sifl.iid.co.za========|| \\
\\=======Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=======//
"Colonel, we've found something you might wanna see."
"Daniel." - 'Fallen' (Stargate SG-1)
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:31:18 EDT
From: Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
In a message dated 8/10/2003 3:10:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tmar@sifl.iid.co.za writes:
> - Marina. (It's not my fault - the voices told me to.)
>
OMG!! I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe!
Robin
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:51:54 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
>OMG!! I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe!
We aim to please. :)
- Marina.
\\ "Good girls go to heaven. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Bad girls go to Smallville." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - 'Sorority Boys' wallpaper ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=======tmar@sifl.iid.co.za========|| \\
\\=======Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=======//
"Colonel, we've found something you might wanna see."
"Daniel." - 'Fallen' (Stargate SG-1)
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:02:42 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia--Season 4 part 4
I'm laughing hard at these. Thanks for posting them. I
love it when things like this get posted.
What's that word mean? I've never heard it before.
Oubliette that is.
> >Name of the room where Watchers keep Immortal
> treasures?
> The Oubliette
>
> <ggl> Ooh, getting naughty are we? I like your
thinking. LOL.
> >Rebecca to Amanda--"Has nobody ever ___________ you
> before?"
> dressed you up in a leather vest and chaps and
> heartily flogged you.
Mel
>
>
> >
=====
The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:40:46 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HL Trivia
Greg--
> He Who (unlike Marina) Does Not Engage In Baiting
Marina--
> She started it! <Pout> I was just making an observation!
Well, you & your silly muse might try growing up. Or not (& I suspect
you'll go w/ the not).
Anyone interested in my HL Trivia for the balance of the episodes can email
me off-list, & I'll send the rest privately in a single email for the
questions, followed by a single email for the answers.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:49:25 -0700
From: "R. Shelton" <rshelton2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: the Immortal Cimoli
At 8:46 AM -0700 8/10/03, Pat Sonti wrote:
>Was Damon Case immoral?
Yes. A scary, immoral fanatic.
>He clearly had a strongly defined sense of what
>he considered right and wrong. How about for killing other immortals in
>fair combat? For killing those who had no wish to fight?
Yes. He forced many innocent (& I'm sure some not so innocent)
immortals that didn't wish to fight into fighting for centuries &
murdered them for no good reason. I suppose this does depend upon how
wide (or narrow) your definition of 'immoral' is; it's usually used
as a general characterization for someone/thing that's 'wicked' or
'bad'.
It's broader definition is of simply, "violating principals of right
& wrong". He was certainly a fanatic (scary in itself)(fanatics are
usually highly irrational), and channeled all his emotions into this
fanaticism of what he thought was 'right & wrong', just so it would
fit his little world & beliefs. And woe to *any* unsuspecting,
innocent immortal who happened to cross his path. Simply because
*he* thought he was right doesn't mean he wasn't violating someone
else's beliefs and principals of right and wrong; and that's a scary
type of person, imho.
Rachel
--
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