HIGHLA-L Digest - 12 May 2003 to 13 May 2003 (#2003-75)
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There are 20 messages totalling 593 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Nowhere to Run (8)
2. Highlander moment
3. OT: Question on Andromeda (4)
4. HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 May 2003 to 10 May 2003 - Special issue (#2003-71)
5. Ponderings
6. Nowhere to Run (under the kilt at HighlanderCatalog.com)
7. List Culture: YKYBRTMHighla-LW... (for Virginia)
8. Movie timeline (was "Hi, I'm new!")
9. The Hunters (or maybe it should be ' Here come the Watchers') (2)
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:20:13 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Nowhere to Run
Re: "Nowhere to Run" aka "The Fog"
A bear trap? Are bears a big problem on estates outside Paris?
Did Allan bring it home as a rather strange souvenir from his diplomatic
travels?
Pat L.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 02:53:19 -0500
From: Taarna <taarna@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
> Re: "Nowhere to Run" aka "The Fog"
>
> A bear trap? Are bears a big problem on estates outside Paris?
> Did Allan bring it home as a rather strange souvenir from his diplomatic
> travels?
>
> Pat L.
>
How about the poor guy whose head got trapped in it! Think that hurt just a
tad!
Beth
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:08:04 EDT
From: Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander moment
Did you guys hear about the man in California who made a citizens arrest? It
appears that a man tried to steal his car, and all of the sudden, he whips
out a Samurai sword, and threatens to cut his head off. Of course, the guy
stays until police get there! I seen it on CNN Headline News!
Robin
robinchristine79@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:29:38 -0500
From: Erin Tingler <erin@sooner.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
>says Marina
>> I think you mean Teal'c? And AFAIK, it was him. Apprently Michael
>> Shanks was in the same episode, wearing leather and being evil.
>> (And since Saint Michael was in HL, this isn't off-topic, heh.)
>Sez Jette:
>Michael Shanks *was* in an episode of Andromeda - but
>I don't think it was the same ep - unless he's been in another
>since that one aired here in the UK. (we're currently
>Andromeda-less)
Yep, he's in another one. Almost but not quite the same character.
And you won't confuse him with Daniel on Stargate! My kids didn't
recognize him at all until I pointed him out. They did recognize
"Teal'c", though, even with hair.
Quite the testosterone fest they were having on that ep, "Day of
Judgement, Day of Wrath", what with Sorbo and Cobb and Shanks and
Judge all there. (Though there wasn't a scene with all four of them
together.) Now if Peter Wingfield could just slip on in there, it
would be a full house!
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:30:10 -0500
From: Laura Tarwater <cesium@sfgoth.com>
Subject: Re: HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 May 2003 to 10 May 2003 - Special issue
(#2003-71)
> > Tessa all righteous over her friend's career choice!
> >
> And she living in sin!
>
Hehe. I caught a bit of the episode on TNN as well, and Tessa's
indignation always did seem to me a bit forced. A feeling that the
friend's pimp wasn't good news, sure, but not such blatant antipathy
seemed not in character for her.
Re HLFIC-L not being busy, I admit that I haven't subscribed for a while,
and I didn't know about the highlander.org archives. I do read the Seventh
Generation archives every so often, and they are still having new
additions every month or so. I'm glad that this list is still around;
the lists and websites of many fandoms just fall apart so quickly.
Laura
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:58:31 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
Pat wrote:
>Re: "Nowhere to Run" aka "The Fog"
Make that "The Fog Man"....10 points for everyone who spotted the props guy with the smoke pot without having someone else point it out.
>A bear trap? Are bears a big problem on estates outside Paris?
But of course! Zee nasty bears are always running into the kitchen and trying to steal the Brie!
>Did Allan bring it home as a rather strange souvenir from his diplomatic
>travels?
I like to think he was into some heavy duty sex games.
I can't say that this is one of my favorite episodes - it ranks near the very bottom. It's violent and it's stupid. If Bellion wanted to avenge his daughter's honor (or his own honor for that matter) why not just wait until Mark comes out of the house in the normal course of event? Catch him when he goes out to his car and snap his useless neck... it certainly didn't require a full scale assault on the house. We won't even discuss the idea that a herd of professional merc wouldn't put on a better show than that bunch did. When Richie and Tessa score more kills than the professionals do, there is something very wrong.
It was nice to see Anthony in his post-Nescafe pre-Giles days.
Was this the first of the "French girls with high squeaky dubbed voices"? I swear they got the same woman to dub 98% of all the female voices. She has a peculiar high breathy voice that grates. She must have worked cheap.
Wendy(I could make jokes about the military capabilities of French mercs.....but I won't)(Too easy)
Fairy Killer
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:27:04 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ponderings
I'm starting to notice some of the things everyone
else probably also wonders about. Like, how come no
one ever notices all the explosions going on and the
unusually large number of decapitated bodies with
swords nearby?
And, how can Mac do all that fighting and chopping of
heads and get all those quickenings, yet he doesn't
often seem to get blood or burns on his clothes.
(Mountain Men was the one exception I've seen so far.
Yummmmm! wet,shirtless, scruffy, slightly dirty Mac!
Very drool-worthy)Guess he must have been
Scotchguarded or something.
And the sword....it's not there, then suddenly, there
it is. Magic sword LOL.
Apparently the "what does he do with the bodies?"
wondering carried over to Tracker. But I can let all
these inconsistancies (sp?) slip 'cause the rest of it
is so good.
Mel
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:58:49 -0700
From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
Wendy wrote:
> Make that "The Fog Man"....10 points for everyone who
> spotted the props guy with the smoke pot without
having
> someone else point it out.
I never see this stuff. Dunno what's wrong with me,
either I have blinders on or I need a bigger TV screen.
> I can't say that this is one of my favorite episodes -
> it ranks near the very bottom. It's violent and it's
> stupid. If Bellion wanted to avenge his daughter's
> honor (or his own honor for that matter) why not just
> wait until Mark comes out of the house in the normal
> course of event? Catch him when he goes out to his car
> and snap his useless neck... it certainly didn't
> require a full scale assault on the house.
My boss is like that. Can't do anything the easy way,
has to make everything much more difficult that it
needs to be. Makes him feel more important.
Silly episode. Mac playing Rambo, his not-yet-grown-out
hair always slipping out of the ponytail. And Tessa
reduced to boiling oil. Who has that many bottles of
olive oil in their pantry?
~ Becky
***Save the earth. It's the only planet with
chocolate.***
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:13:34 -0700
From: ndancer <ndancer@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
Except that Shanks wasn't in that episode. The other male guest star for that ep was Michael Hurst, who used to star with Sorbo on Hercules. Nancy
Erin Tingler <erin@sooner.net> wrote:
Quite the testosterone fest they were having on that ep, "Day ofJudgement, Day of Wrath", what with Sorbo and Cobb and Shanks and Judge all there. (Though there wasn't a scene with all four of them together.)
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:15:29 -0400
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run (under the kilt at HighlanderCatalog.com)
Earlier, Wendy the Weasel wrote:
"Was this the first of the "French girls with high squeaky dubbed voices"? I swear they got the same woman to dub 98% of all the female voices. She has a peculiar high breathy voice that grates. She must have worked cheap."
Just as an aside, when I was stumbling around looking at the official Highlander catalog site the other day, I found that they've added these "Under the Kilt" comments from various producers and production people to many of the episode descriptions. There were some pretty amusing comments and asides, some new things, some things I'd heard before.
One of the things they often mentioned was whether they had to redo dialogue for someone with a heavy French accent. They mentioned one guy in particular that they used more than once (I think the name was John Novak?). It's quite likely they used the same actress over and over to loop female voices.
It's found at www.highlandercatalog.com under "Highlander Lore" and then "Under the Kilt." Not every episode has comments, but most do. Comments are from David A, Ken Gord, Don Paonessa, etc.
It had been years since I looked at anything like that, it was fun reading up on all the old eps and I was surprised to find out completely new things about how productions went together.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:07:15 -0400
From: virginia <vfoster@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
Nope, Michael Shanks was in the episode "Day of Judgement. Day
Of Wrath". He reprised the role of the avatar Gabriel/Balance
of Judgement. And a fantastic job he did. :)
Yep, it was a definite drool worthy episode. Also, JR Bourne
(Martouf of Stargate SG1) was in it.
virginia
(creeping out of the woodwork)
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From: ndancer <ndancer@PRODIGY.NET>
Sent: 05/13/03 11:13 AM
To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
>
> Except that Shanks wasn't in that episode. The other male guest star for
that ep was Michael Hurst, who used to star with Sorbo on Hercules. Nancy
Erin Tingler <erin@sooner.net> wrote:
Quite the testosterone fest they were having on that ep, "Day ofJudgement,
Day of Wrath", what with Sorbo and Cobb and Shanks and Judge all there.
(Though there wasn't a scene with all four of them together.)
>
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:14:53 -0400
From: KLZ3 <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: List Culture: YKYBRTMHighla-LW... (for Virginia)
...you're watching Riverdance Live from New York (*not* saturday
night) and you keep looking for Ewoks.
ZK (Yes, Virginia, there is a Daniel Jackson)
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:53:51 -0500
From: Erin Tingler <erin@sooner.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
According to the Gateworld site, Michael Shanks first appeared as
Gabriel, Rommie's lover in Season One's "Star-Crossed". Having been
just newly infected by the SG-1 virus and only having passing
familiarity with "Andromeda", I didn't see that one personally, but
several characters on the show made reference to having met or having
knowledge of Gabriel before. In fact, Harper declared that not only
had Gabriel tried to kill them all, but "worse than that, Rommie, he
broke your heart!"
Ob-HL-ref: Really would like to see PW show up on "Andromeda". He
got to be in SG and he looked fabulous! Being a god suits him.
>Except that Shanks wasn't in that episode. The other male guest
>star for that ep was Michael Hurst, who used to star with Sorbo on
>Hercules. Nancy
>
>Erin Tingler <erin@sooner.net> wrote:
>Quite the testosterone fest they were having on that ep, "Day
>ofJudgement, Day of Wrath", what with Sorbo and Cobb and Shanks and
>Judge all there. (Though there wasn't a scene with all four of them
>together.)
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:43:35 -0700
From: Prodipto Roy <proy@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Movie timeline (was "Hi, I'm new!")
While answering a question with a question is not my habit, I can only
say...Why shouldn't they be ignored?
But in all seriousness (if one can be serious when referring to the
second and third movies), the *ahem* liberties taken with the storyline
set forth in the first movie, and subsequently the series by movies II
(the Sickening) and III (the Final Dementia) make it impossible to fit
them into the timeline, or the overall story arc. As a result, the
typical reaction by fans, actors, producers, directors, most writers,
and the occasional weasel is to just pretend it never happened. This,
of course, is a very valid response in show business and politics. Do
not try this at home.
--Pro
proy@microsoft.com
CFW for Ursa "There can be only...ooh, pretty!"
Founding Member of the UDC
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:54:52 EDT
From: Brian Smith <ShadowPK@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
In a message dated 5/13/03 2:46:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
plawson@webleyweb.com writes:
> A bear trap? Are bears a big problem on estates outside Paris?
>
>
heh. A pretty mauled sequence all around.
Bri
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:12:04 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
Wendy wrote:
>It was nice to see Anthony in his post-Nescafe pre-Giles days.
Speaking of my favorite non-HL watcher, I caught one episode of "Manchild"
on BBC America. Showed a different side of ASH, literally. He spent 10
min. wearing only an apron.
I wouldn't say his bum is as nicely shaped as AP's. It's cute and highly
grabbable, much like the rest of the man. MHO & YMMV.
Pat L.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:39:35 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Hunters (or maybe it should be ' Here come the Watchers')
Finally! Things are getting very interesting. I
already think Horton's going to be an annoying sort of
character, but I like Fitz. And tomorrow, we finally
get to meet Joe.
The Watcher's Guide says 'bookstore owner' When did he
get the bar?
I'm the type who, after I heard about the Watchers,
couldn't watch the original Highlander without
thinking 'Just who was Connor MacLeod's watcher?' and
"Did Conner know he was being watched?"
Speaking of which, Duncan said that even the most evil
of their kind wouldn't desecrate holy ground...he must
not have heard about whatshisname...Kane? Kurgen? I
know it was a K'immie but as for which one, I can't
remember. The one who was after Connor in the first
movie. Didn't he try to start fighting Connor in the
church? Or am I mistaken?
And then of course we have Kell and Connor's little
cemetary duel, but a, that came later and b, I'm
beginning to ignore that movie too.
Hey, I got a name for it. Highlander: EndShame. How's
that? To go with Final Dementia and The Sickening.
hehehe.
Mel
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:44:51 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Hunters (or maybe it should be ' Here come the Watchers')
Aw, crud, I forgot to mention the obvious part about
Duncan not knowing about what happened in HL 1 because
he wasn't with Connor then. Unless Connor told him,
but....
Didnt want anyone thinking I didn't think of that.
Mel, who also forgot to mention the only thing she
liked about HL2: The end title song, One Dream
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:52:03 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
you wrote:
>If Bellion wanted to avenge his daughter's honor (or his own honor for
>that matter) why not just wait until Mark comes out of the house in the
>normal course of event? Catch him when he goes out to his car and snap his
>useless neck... it certainly didn't require a full scale assault on the house.
Yep.
What's always bothered me was Duncan uncharacteristically allowing Tessa &
Richie to be endangered. When he saw that Bellion had brought in mercs,
why didn't Duncan challenge him? Why allow the mortals to be placed at risk?
This was another of the handful of episodes which could have just as well
been any action/adventure/hero show. It wasn't a HL episode.
Pat L.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:45:53 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Nowhere to Run
Becky--
> And Tessa
> reduced to boiling oil. Who has that many bottles of
> olive oil in their pantry?
THAT'S what always bothers me about this ep. (And the obnoxious Mark.) It
was supposedly a mostly-deserted-for-many-years house, too, making the
immense oil reserve in that kitchen even more bizarre.
Wendy--
> I like to think he was into some heavy duty sex games.
Oh. That could explain all the oil....
> Was this the first of the "French girls with high squeaky dubbed voices"?
I don't know, but the actress was also in Saving Grace--the FB woman in
labor (surely a good reason to squeak a bit).
And AP's brother Robert played one of the mercenary soldiers here--the
cutish one who makes to the end, when Duncan punches him out on the grounds.
> It was nice to see Anthony in his post-Nescafe pre-Giles days.
Loved those. It was Taster's Choice in the US, wasn't it?
Nina (a Folgers fiend)
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