HIGHLA-L Digest - 7 Feb 2003 to 13 Feb 2003 (#2003-20)
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1. Still Wondering After All These Years (8)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:11:29 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Still Wondering After All These Years
I happened to be watching "The Hunters" and it occurred to me (perhaps not for the first time) that Horton should have *known* that Fitz was Immortal and there shouldn't have been any need for the elaborate "shoot him to see if he comes back" scene. Horton, as a Watcher, would have had access to the Watcher files. Fitz was not "new" and he was certainly not a low profile individual. The files should have been filled with pictures and reports.
Come to think of it..the scene where Horton bumps into Tessa to see if her hand is still hurt doesn't make a lot sense either (Is that in "The Watchers"? )(Yes, I think so). *If* she was Immortal..she wouldn't have been wearing a bandage in the first place...they heal much too quickly to need a bandage. Did Horton think she was Immortal and disguising herself by wearing a bandage? Had he done no research to see who this woman who had been with Duncan for 12 years was?
Wendy( I know "Hunters" was re-written at the last minute but still....)
Fairy Killer
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:32:44 -0800
From: Deric Jon <highlander_rifts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
yeah, we should just burn all of our highlander tapes, this is an outrage
> I happened to be watching "The Hunters" and it occurred to me (perhaps not
for the first time) that Horton should have *known* that Fitz was Immortal
and there shouldn't have been any need for the elaborate "shoot him to see
if he comes back" scene. Horton, as a Watcher, would have had access to the
Watcher files. Fitz was not "new" and he was certainly not a low profile
individual. The files should have been filled with pictures and reports.
>
> Come to think of it..the scene where Horton bumps into Tessa to see if
her hand is still hurt doesn't make a lot sense either (Is that in "The
Watchers"? )(Yes, I think so). *If* she was Immortal..she wouldn't have been
wearing a bandage in the first place...they heal much too quickly to need a
bandage. Did Horton think she was Immortal and disguising herself by wearing
a bandage? Had he done no research to see who this woman who had been with
Duncan for 12 years was?
>
> Wendy( I know "Hunters" was re-written at the last minute but still....)
> Fairy Killer
> jjswbt@earthlink.net
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:40:54 EST
From: Chris Hatfield <CMH25@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
Perhaps they were just doing this for the audience (or new audience). When
these episodes occurred, we were not as well versed in the history of the
watchers as we are now.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:15:39 +0000
From: beccaelizabeth <r.day@netcom.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
> Perhaps they were just doing this for the audience
Perhaps he was doing it for *his* audience. We hear that Hunters are
rogue Watchers, but we dont know for certain where he got all these
'Watchers' from. Maybe some of them were new guys and needed a
demonstration? Or maybe he recruited desk types, who had never seen an
Immortal die. So Fitz becomes a show and tell.
With Tessa all the records can possibly show is that they've never seen
her die, and they've never seen her take a Quickening. They cannot show
if she is a pre-Immortal, which the scratch test doesnt demonstrate
either, but if she was then there was a reason for DM to notice her in
the first place. She could be recently Immortal, and for whatever
reason trying to hide it.
still makes little sense.
maybe he be crazy.
later
beccaelizabeth
half way through first season on DVD, been ages since I watched these.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:32:44 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
>Perhaps he was doing it for *his* audience.
Maybe they still had all their stuff stored in musty old archives.
(Can you see Horton digging through musty archives?) It wasn't until
two Watchers got it into their heads to go round making CDs with all
the info handy that things *really* hit the fan...
- Marina.
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T-shirt idea.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:17:33 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
I said:
>> I happened to be watching "The Hunters" and it occurred to me (perhaps
>not for the first time) that Horton should have *known* that Fitz was Immortal
>and there shouldn't have been any need for the elaborate "shoot him to see
>if he comes back" scene. Horton, as a Watcher, would have had access to the
>Watcher files. Fitz was not "new" and he was certainly not a low profile
>individual. The files should have been filled with pictures and reports.
Deric Jon wrote:
>yeah, we should just burn all of our highlander tapes, this is an outrage
Oh look. A smart.......aleck.
Wendy(Sheeesh!)
Fairy Killer
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http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:31:07 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
I said:
>I happened to be watching "The Hunters" and it occurred to me (perhaps
>not for the first time) that Horton should have *known* that Fitz was
>Immortal and there shouldn't have been any need for the elaborate "shoot
>him to see if he comes back" scene. Horton, as a Watcher, would have had
>access to the Watcher files. Fitz was not "new" and he was certainly not a
>low profile individual. The files should have been filled with pictures
>and reports.
Chris suggests:
>Perhaps they were just doing this for the audience (or new audience).
>When these episodes occurred, we were not as well versed in the history of the
>watchers as we are now.
Well, certainly not for the "new audience" as it was the last episode of the season and I doubt they were greatly concerned about the viewer who had just tuned in.
And, yeah, they had just thought up the Watchers, so no one (including the writers, knew much about them.
But....such real world considerations don't count around here <eg> Or at least they didn't use to. We must discover or create a rationale that works within the show's reality.
beccaelizabeth suggests:
>Perhaps he was doing it for *his* audience. We hear that Hunters are
>rogue Watchers, but we dont know for certain where he got all these
>'Watchers' from. Maybe some of them were new guys and needed a
>demonstration? Or maybe he recruited desk types, who had never seen an
>Immortal die. So Fitz becomes a show and tell.
Possible...although it seemed like Horton himself wasn't sure about Fitz. Plus, they had just killed Darius and Thackery(?), how many examples did these guys need?
Marina speaks up:
>Maybe they still had all their stuff stored in musty old archives.
>(Can you see Horton digging through musty archives?) It wasn't until
>two Watchers got it into their heads to go round making CDs with all
>the info handy that things *really* hit the fan...
Possible...possible. Though I tend to believe that some immortals are more famous, or infamous, than others and would be recognized by most Watchers. Fitz was old and he was colorful. He seems like the kind of Immortal they would use as an example in the Academy.
I also said:
>Come to think of it..the scene where Horton bumps into Tessa to see if her hand is still hurt doesn't make a lot sense either (Is that in "The Watchers"? )(Yes, I think so). *If* she was Immortal..she wouldn't have been wearing a bandage in the first place...they heal much too quickly to need a bandage. Did Horton think she was Immortal and disguising herself by wearing a bandage? Had he done no research to see who this woman who had been with Duncan for 12 years was?
beccaelizabeth says:
>With Tessa all the records can possibly show is that they've never seen
>her die, and they've never seen her take a Quickening. They cannot show
>if she is a pre-Immortal, which the scratch test doesnt demonstrate
>either, but if she was then there was a reason for DM to notice her in
>the first place. She could be recently Immortal, and for whatever
>reason trying to hide it. still makes little sense.
They could have checked the birth records...I assume they have those in France. They might have noticed she looked 12 years older <EG>
>maybe he be crazy.
Oh yeah. No doubt about that.
Wendy(Should I still be worried about things like this after all these years?)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:47:15 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Still Wondering After All These Years
Marina--
>>>Maybe they still had all their stuff stored in musty old archives.
(Can you see Horton digging through musty archives?) It wasn't until
two Watchers got it into their heads to go round making CDs with all
the info handy that things *really* hit the fan...>>>
That's definitely when it got interesting. But way back in The Watchers,
Joe rather oddly showed off his Watcher computer to DM, & it was full of
nifty data on Immies. Since it was located in Horton's own bookstore
(apparently a long-term thing), surely he had easy access to detailed info
on DM & all the others. I cannot believe Joe, as DM's Watcher, didn't know
all about Fitz & Tessa. Horton might not have asked Joe for details,
because he would know Joe wasn't the murderous zealot type, but it seems
like the info was there for him to find w/ minimal effort.
> Wendy(Should I still be worried about things like this after all these
years?)
Well, there's damn little "current TV" worth thinking about. Buffy, Angel,
Farscape & West Wing aside, it's just not possible to obsess over most
shows. Forget trying to find anything close to Highlander's _multi-layered_
story-telling. If a show has anything at all going on of note, it's a
miracle & cause for cheering--Oh, look, alert the media--it's got A LAYER!
Nina (Horton was a loon. And not a bright loon, at that. But, he was sly
enough to shelter from DM's wrath in cemeteries & correctly use Holy Ground
to his benefit--so I guess Horton was way smarter than DPP, who eventually
failed HL 101 on the Holy Ground thing alone. Plus--DM NEVER married. And,
bad editing. [Bitter, yes--what's wrong w/ being bitter?])
mac.westie@verizon.net
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