HIGHLA-L Digest - 30 Sep 2002 to 1 Oct 2002 - Special issue
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1. HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 Sep 2002 to 30 Sep 2002 - Special issue (#2002-162)
2. Well & truly a slash thing now (10)
3. How long... (10)
4. Is the best you can do...
5. lost mail, digests
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:58:09 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 Sep 2002 to 30 Sep 2002 - Special issue
(#2002-162)
Sandy wrote:
>So whaddaya think? Just what *was* that spiral Q thingy between Duncan and
>Methos all about?
Spiral? It looked kinky to me. ;-p
Pat
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:06:43 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Jette wrote:
>Nina's not the only one laughing - I was waiting for
>this post from you, Marina <g>
Isn't it sad how I've become horribly predictable. :)
Seriously, to the people who claim that slash without the sex
isn't slash... I disagree. I read it for the emotional intensity.
Even if the story doesn't have a sex scene, the emotional
intensity is not the same as the kind you'd find in a gen or
het story. It just isn't. And that's what I'm looking for in
stories. After years of reading varying kinds of fanfic (sorry,
Nina), including quite a lot of hurt/comfort, I found slash
and was like, "Yes! This is what I've been looking for!" And
the first slash story I read didn't even have any sex in it.
I just take exception to the fact that people think slash is
just about the sex. If I wanted to just read about two guys
doing it, I could just hop over to Nifty and read all the
gay porn there. No, I want actual plots (PWPs don't do much
for me) and feelings in my stories, thank you.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:06:44 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: How long...
Wendy wrote:
>(The "slash discussion" has been around since before 1995.)(It will be
>around as long as there are lonely single women willing to write it
>and read it.)(:::::::::::::::::::evil cackle::::::::)
Hey! I resemble that remark!! <g>
Seriously, from my observations there are as many married women
writing slash as there are "lonely single women". There are also
some straight male slash fans (and I'm not talking f/f slash,
either) as well as gay male slash fans.
It's difficult to pigeonhole fans of any kind, whether it be HL
fans, Trek fans ("Move out of your parents' basement and grow
the hell up!" "Pppppttt!"), 'shippers, slash fans, etc. So
maybe I fit Wendy's description (I may be single, but I'm not
lonely), but there are hundreds and hundreds of slashers out
there who don't.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:54:25 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
In a message dated 9/30/02 4:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tmar@sifl.iid.co.za writes:
<< And I'm
not going to sit somewhere out of the way and pretend that I don't
exist, and that the stuff I like doesn't exist. >>
Exactly. I like slash, gen, ship... just about any kind of fan fiction and
quite a lot of different kinds of pro fiction. I read scads of non-fiction,
too, especially in the areas of history, archeology and mythology. I am just
as happy to declare myself a fan of any of those and for most of them no one
would bat an eye. Why should the fact that I "admit" I like slash be any
different? I have rarely seen ship fiction or hetero adult fiction come under
attack the way slash does. I have rarely seen "shippers" attacked or told
they are perverts or told that they should be quiet about what they like
because it might upset the children, yadda yadda yadda. Don't like what I
like? Don't read it. It's that simple. Don't like a discussion about slash?
Don't participate. Don't like the fact that I'm pagan and bisexual and I
read, write and publish fan fiction? Too bad.
Annie
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:25:19 +0100
From: John Mosby <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: How long...
There are also
> some straight male slash fans (and I'm not talking f/f slash,
> either) as well as gay male slash fans.
Okay. No offence intended, but you are saying that there are completely straight men who enjoy reading male/male slash fiction?
Gay, yes. Bi, yes. Straight...I'd say ultra-rare. It's one thing to read fiction which happens to contain gay characters, but I'm not sure I know any completely *straight* people who'd actively seek out slash fanfic of their own sex?
John
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:38:46 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: How long...
In a message dated 10/1/02 1:06:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tmar@sifl.iid.co.za writes:
<< It's difficult to pigeonhole fans of any kind, whether it be HL
fans, Trek fans ("Move out of your parents' basement and grow
the hell up!" "Pppppttt!"), 'shippers, slash fans, etc. So
maybe I fit Wendy's description (I may be single, but I'm not
lonely), but there are hundreds and hundreds of slashers out
there who don't.
- Marina. >>
So true! Fannish taste is a very strange and highly unpredictable thing. I've
got nothing against slash, but the only media universe where I ever "saw" it
with the characters and actively read it was Blakes 7, years ago. I haven't
felt compelled in any fandoms/shows, since. And I've been *living* in a slash
relationship for over 13 years, now.
Leah
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:09:24 -0500
From: Johanne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bri=E8re?= <jojoann@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: How long...
At 00:06 -0500 01/10/02, Marina Bailey wrote:
>It's difficult to pigeonhole fans of any kind, whether it be HL
>fans, Trek fans ("Move out of your parents' basement and grow
>the hell up!" "Pppppttt!"), 'shippers, slash fans, etc. So
>maybe I fit Wendy's description (I may be single, but I'm not
>lonely), but there are hundreds and hundreds of slashers out
>there who don't.
Well :) oups. Seems it is however a world that not does belong to
francophones (native French speakers) fans . On fanfictions.net (notice the
s at the end of fanfictions), the proportion of very lighty slash (and
according to the webmaster it is a very generous rouding to qualify it
such) is at 1%. And he would accept all types - it just has never been
forthcoming.
Could it possibly have anything to do with culture, language, restrictions
and other such things that different cultures and upraising bring about in
how a culture/society reacts to perception of things ?
I am the only quebecois I know being fan, so that makes no ripple in
checking this out but I belong to French lists with a lot of French people.
And for as long as I have been knowing both cultures online, differences
have arisen in perception. And slash does not make people reacts much.
Don't read it, don't write it. Don't give much reaction and need to judge.
Entéka, ŕ la prochaine,
JoAnne
jojoann@videotron.ca
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:23:10 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: How long...
In a message dated 10/1/02 5:25:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
<< Okay. No offence intended, but you are saying that there are completely
straight men who enjoy reading male/male slash fiction? >>
Yes, indeed. I can think of one fellow that I've known for years and years
who is completely straight. He's married with a kid and a Great Dane. He's
written slash. Admittedly, of the mostly humorous variety, but he read it,
wrote it, published it over the years I knew him. I've known many others who
read it and even published it. Why is this any more surprising than the fact
that so many m/m slash writers, readers and publishers are heterosexual
woman, a great many of them married and with children?
Annie
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:27 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Rob wrote:
>>Remember that slash is inherently about sex.
Marina says:
>I disagree with this completely. Sure, slash (usually) has sex in
>it, but I do not read slash stories for the sex. (Somewhere, Nina
>is laughing.)
Somewhere a lot of people are rolling on the floor in advanced states of hysteria <eg>
>I read them for the relationships and the (if you
>like) "added dimension" that a sexual/gay relationship gives to
>the characters. There are slash stories out there that have no
>sex at all. The *dynamic* of a relationship is different if it's
>slashy, but there doesn't have to be sex in the story for it to
>be slashy and enjoyable.
Ok, to be honest, I *have* read slash stories without sex or where the sex was so incidental to the plot so as to be irrelevant. There are stories where Duncan and Methos behave like an old (sexless) married couple...where Fraser and Ray are just like any other couple who only have sex on Saturday night <g>. Seriously ... are these stories really slash? If Methos and Duncan are sharing an apartment and a bed but the story revolves around them chasing down some K'immie and they never actually get into that bed (or loll about in a bathtub)(or grope each other by moonlight)(or dash naked into the surf together) ..how is that different that the same story but with them in two apartments? How is it different from any episode of HL that the two were in?
On another note, Marina says:
>I think that we just get tired of people telling us that we're sick,
>perverted, childish and crazy, and eventually we have to stand up and
>say, we're here, we're slash fans, get used to it, we're not going
>away.
We wouldn't call you those things if you'd stop being sick, perverted, childish and crazy and dragging our favorite characters down into your depravity with you.<EFG>
Wendy(Is there a name for fanfic that takes gay characters and portrays them as straight?)(Or is that slash too?)
Fairy Killer
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:46:29 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
In a message dated 10/1/02 9:44:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jjswbt@earthlink.net writes:
<<
Wendy(Is there a name for fanfic that takes gay characters and portrays
them as straight?)(Or is that slash too?) >>
You know, that's a good question. Does it happen? I mean, there are all those
characters on Queer as Folk who are out and out gay... I love the show but
have never looked at the fan fiction. Is there fiction that turns Brian
Kinney into a straight guy???
Annie
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:15 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: How long...
John wrote:
>Okay. No offence intended, but you are saying that there are completely
>straight men who enjoy reading male/male slash fiction?
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I know some.
>Gay, yes. Bi, yes. Straight...I'd say ultra-rare. It's one thing to
>read fiction which happens to contain gay characters, but I'm not
>sure I know any completely *straight* people who'd actively seek out
>slash fanfic of their own sex?
Well, I do. It is rare compared to the scores of women out there,
but it's been known to happen. (I mean, a person doesn't ask the
males on the slash lists if they're straight, but a couple said
so during some of our "do only straight women like slash" discussions
on more than one list.)
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:09:17 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: How long...
JoAnne wrote:
>Could it possibly have anything to do with culture, language, restrictions
>and other such things that different cultures and upraising bring about in
>how a culture/society reacts to perception of things ?
I think there is something in that. For years I was considered
strange just because I liked science fiction. I mean, mainstream
stuff like Star Wars, Aliens, etc. South Africans generally are
more into "reality TV" (we're on our second season of Big Brother
already) and sport. SF fans are as rare as hens' teeth, and
as for slash... I know exactly three other people in the entire
country who like it.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Wendy wrote:
>how is that different that the same story but with them in two
>apartments? How is it different from any episode of HL that the
>two were in?
The emotional dynamic is not the same. And that is what I look
for in stories: a slashy emotional dynamic, if you like.
>We wouldn't call you those things if you'd stop being sick, perverted,
>childish and crazy and dragging our favorite characters down into
>your depravity with you.<EFG>
Pppfffttt. :-P
>(Is there a name for fanfic that takes gay characters and portrays
>them as straight?)(Or is that slash too?)
It's apparently called "hetting" and some slash fans aren't very
happy about that. (Pot... kettle...) But I think some of that has
to do with the whole issue of homosexuality and the strong feelings
that people have about it. I've never understood the anti feeling
that many people have towards gay people; here we've been pretty
much tolerant of all sorts of differences for years. Which might
sound like a contradiction knowing I'm South African, but the people
here have been "stealing" each other's language, customs, food ideas,
etc for decades and making a nice mixture. And it's hard to be
intolerant and do that. Even when I tell people I like slash, they
just shrug. My minister knows. His daughter knows. The people I
work with know. No one cares.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:34:08 -0500
From: Ecolea <ecolea@wt.net>
Subject: Re: How long...
Rennie MacWoW wrote:
<Gee, I, who almost never post to the list, have to stray out of =
lurkerdom to say "Whoa, what brought that on?" >
*shrugs and tells honest truth* A suicidal disinterest and lack of =
concern for the feelings of others. Giving back what has been given to =
me all my life is, according to my shrink, very freeing. And it =
certainly livened up the list. <vbg>
<I stand firmly in the ranks of those who exercise my right to press the =
delete key anytime I get tired of anything.>
You go, girl! Hit that key. Make it a good hard one with a satisfying =
thump. The rest of us on digest will simply have to look at the comments =
to see if there really is a Santa Claus in there somewhere.
< And I really don't like anyone "demanding" that a discussion thread =
stop because some readers may be tired of it. >
I admit to being extremely flip, but I did not "demand" anyone *do* =
anything. I insulted no one personally. I insulted a THREAD. I also =
made useful and <g> handt suggestions. And while you may not have liked =
it, I have every right to voice my boredom at the rote drill as loudly =
as others voice their opinions.
Best regards,
Ecolea
I seized the day and it screamed -- then I killed it.
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:39:27 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Annie says:
>I like slash, gen, ship... just about any kind of fan fiction and
>quite a lot of different kinds of pro fiction. I read scads of non-fiction,
>too, especially in the areas of history, archeology and mythology. I am
>just as happy to declare myself a fan of any of those and for most of them no
>one would bat an eye. Why should the fact that I "admit" I like slash be any
>different?
Sticking only to fanfic ( not pro-fiction) , I can think of two reasons off the top of my head:
1) Fans get very protective of their favorite characters and thus see slash as a kind of character assassination,
2) Slash that includes extremely rough sex/torture/rape passes, for some people, into the realm of pornography. Even in our modern world, most people do not easily admit a love of pornography...especially the "rough" stuff.
>I have rarely seen ship fiction or hetero adult fiction come under attack the way slash does.
I've seen some non-slash stories ripped to shreds....usually for the same reasons that slash is - that the characters are written in a way that takes them far afield from the characterization shown on screen. I'm sure that a "school of writing" that produced stories that had Duncan (or Richie, Joe etc) involved in abusive sexual relationships with unwilling women would be reviled. I'm sure that if there were a group of fanfic writers that turned out story after story where Methos was the dashing brave hero who jumped in to save the day at the continuous risk of his own neck, those stories would cause "mainstream" fanfic readers to groan. Look at the way "The Raven" was received. The writers took a known character and recreated her in a form that was contrary to everything the viewers expected...and it bombed. Recreating Duncan as a character who sleeps with Richie is never going to go over well with mainstream fans.
>I have rarely seen "shippers" attacked or told they are perverts or told that they should be quiet about what they like
>because it might upset the children, yadda yadda yadda.
I'm certain there are some readers who see all m/m (or f/f) stories as perverted. I don't happen to be one of those people. It isn't the m/m or f/f relationships, in and of themselves, that I object to. It is the particular participants in those relationships that I usually find unrealistic. The only slash fanfic I would want to shield my children from would be those stories that include extremely graphic sex scenes or scenes of rape/torture. Those are the same guidelines I would use for *any* reading material.
>Don't like what I
>like? Don't read it. It's that simple. Don't like a discussion about slash?
>Don't participate. Don't like the fact that I'm pagan and bisexual and I
>read, write and publish fan fiction? Too bad.
Speaking only for myself, I don't care what you read, what you write, how you worship, or who you sleep with. My interest in the slash "phenomena" has always been to try and understand where it comes from. Not because I think it is evil and needs to be stopped but because it simply baffles me. Why do I look at Methos and Duncan and see friends and others look and see lovers? For the slash fan, what does the m/m "dynamic" bring to a story that the m/f doesn't ... or that a m/m friendship (but no sex) doesn't? Why does m/m sex seem to be a turn-on for some women and not for others? *Is* there a "typical" slash fan..something that sets them apart from the "typical" het fan? I keep thinking that some day in the middle of one of these discussions, it's all just going to "click" and I'll understand. One of these days.............
Wendy(Then again, I've spend 40 years trying to figure out what people see in religion.)(Any religion.)(All religion.)
Fairy Killer
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:50:19 -0500
From: Ecolea <ecolea@wt.net>
Subject: Is the best you can do...
Morgan wrote:
"Ecoli wrote:"
Really, is the BEST you can do misspell my name and make it a bacterium? =
As if I haven't been seeing/hearing *that* one since grammar school!
<::yawn::
Wendy, have you stoked the fire yet?>
I singled out no one group and flamed no individual personally. Can you =
say the same?
Ecolea
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:49:45 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
In a message dated 10/1/02 10:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jjswbt@earthlink.net writes:
<< Why do I look at Methos and Duncan and see friends and others look and see
lovers? >>
I'm not sure I can help you out there, because I can see it both ways.
Actually, I'm probably more on "your" side of the fence with Methos and
Duncan. I prefer to see them written as friends and that's the way I believe
they "are." But I also have written Methos/Duncan (but only once and one
Methos/Kronos) and I've published Highlander slash. For awhile, I really
liked the emtional intensity of the slash stories between Methos and Duncan.
I was annoyed, though, that some of my favorite authors were actually writing
some "het" or gen stories, they started writing slash, and they never went
back.
The long novel series that Leah and I have written in the HL universe is
completely gen, btw. No slash at all. The other stories I wrote in the fandom
were other gen or Methos/Alexa.
In other fandoms, I have liked the slash more. I started in Stargate fandom
preferring Jack and Daniel purely as friends. I didn't read any of the slash.
After awhile, I decided I wanted more emotional intensity and I started
reading the slash. Now I *prefer* the slash.
Annie
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:40:32 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Wendy wrote:
>My interest in the slash "phenomena" has always been to try and
>understand where it comes from. Not because I think it is evil
>and needs to be stopped but because it simply baffles me.
>[snip] I keep thinking that some day in the middle of one of these
>discussions, it's all just going to "click" and I'll understand.
That's my interest too. One reason I keep on plugging away at
the topic is because I'm trying to understand it. Someone once
told me that some things such as preferences *can't* be
explained like that. Like, purple is my favourite colour. Why?
I like it. Richie is my favourite HL character. Why? Damned if
I know. I prefer slash to gen/het. Why? I've explained some
things - emotional dynamics, yadda, but, really, I don't think
any explanation comes close to capturing the entire thing. I
mean, try to explain your favourite food or colour. I don't
think it can be done.
Maybe it really is a case of, "For those who believe, no
explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no
explanation is possible." (Works for that religion thing
too.)
As for slash, I *want* to understand. That's why I'm still
here.
- Marina.
\\ "You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines, //
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something \\
\\ else. And if you don't like what you see, you don't //
// have to look at me." - Melissa Etheridge \\
\\==========Marina Bailey==========tmar@sifl.iid.co.za==========//
//============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========\\
"Great. Now I'm a slash enabler." - Nina
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:56:03 -0400
From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
Marina:
>That's my interest too. One reason I keep on plugging away at
>the topic is because I'm trying to understand it. Someone once
>told me that some things such as preferences *can't* be
>explained like that. Like, purple is my favourite colour. Why?
>I like it. Richie is my favourite HL character. Why? Damned if
>I know. I prefer slash to gen/het. Why? I've explained some
>things - emotional dynamics, yadda, but, really, I don't think
>any explanation comes close to capturing the entire thing. I
>mean, try to explain your favourite food or colour. I don't
>think it can be done.
I can explain why blue is my favorite color. Why Methos is my
favorite HL character. And why I prefer het/gen to slash. Just as
you (and others) have explained slash to me over the years (and are
still explaining). I don't think that the barrier lies with
explanation. I think it lies with the limitations of human
perspective.
There's the old adage "walk a mile in his shoes"...but even doing
that will only tell you what it's like for YOU to be in those shoes.
You can't ever truly have the perspective of another as your own.
Liser
--
Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net
--
Guinness is my anti-drug. -Greg
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:24:26 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: How long...
Leah--
> I do recommending a thoughough lancing someday, just to let all the poison
out at once, every now and then.
It sounds like YOU need a bit of release. Go read something.
Leah--
> Kissy (you may take that as attempted slash)
Relax, Annie--I'm sure Leah was just kidding.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
Save Farscape http://farscape.wdsection.com/index.php Frell Sci Fi, just on
principle.
Feed an animal in need
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:48:11 +0100
From: beccaelizabeth <r.day@netcom.co.uk>
Subject: lost mail, digests
Hi
just lost a whole bunch of messages, mostly highla-l. I have a backup for some
old files but anything this week is all gone and there was actual conversation
happening. is this list archived somewhere? or does someone have the digests
and could fwd them? sorry to be a pain, all the info for the list was in the
same dissapeared folder.
beccaelizabeth
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4212
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:00:04 -0400
From: comet <hickss@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Well & truly a slash thing now
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, L Cameron-Norfleet wrote:
> There's the old adage "walk a mile in his shoes"...but even doing
> that will only tell you what it's like for YOU to be in those shoes.
> You can't ever truly have the perspective of another as your own.
How very Yoda of you.
But, it's also very true. Since I've known you though, you've had this
study of slash going on. It's been interesting watching, not only for how
you react but how others react as well.
comet
hickss@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
I don't buy planets. They're just not cost effective.
-- Roarke, Purity in Death by JD Robb
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:29:28 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: How long...
In a message dated Tue, 1 Oct 2002 1:24:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, mac.westie@verizon.net writes:
> Leah--
> > I do recommending a thoughough lancing someday, just to let all the poison
> out at once, every now and then.
>
>
> It sounds like YOU need a bit of release. Go read
> something.
>
>
> Leah--
> > Kissy (you may take that as attempted slash)
And we now resume our years-long policy of not responding to one individual on this list.
To our amusement, watch as the frustration will cause the individual to resume a stalker-like compulsion to attempt to provoke a response from me in many and varied, unrelated posts in the future. She will drop spurious personal insults, venomous asides, and open provocation, ironically trying to convince everyone that I'm the one without self-control. One can only assume that the emotional goal is validation or attention of any sort, negative or positive, perhaps a form of Munchausens by proxy.
Heh heh.
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