HIGHLA-L Digest - 22 Jul 2002 to 23 Jul 2002 (#2002-106)
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Topics of the day:
1. The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo (12)
2. red white & blue swords (was--Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo) (2)
3. Duncan Donuts (was-- Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:30:12 -0500
From: Bridget Mintz Testa <btesta@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
Nina:
>Really--you've seen him recently "in real life"?
No. In pix and in films -- more recent than Endgame.
>
>> I've seen *recent* pix of him
>> -- as of a few months ago -- and he looks *much better* than he did
>> in Endgame.
>
Nina: Pix are pretty easy to look good in--easier than on moving
film--via make-up
>or air-brushing.
Anyone can be made to look like anything on moving film, too. All it
takes is make-up and special make-up effects. Since this started
with Clancy Brown (whom I like, and I'm glad he's got a regular gig),
consider the make-up and special make-up effects he wore in HL1: he
had real trouble with much of it because he's so allergic to the
stuff! Nevertheless, he endured. He's much better-looking in real
life than he appeared to be in HL1.
>
>> I've seen him in movies made since Endgame, and he looks
>> better in them, too.
>
>But, if your theory--about them aging Connor to show his ennui, is
>correct--how come he _also_ looked older than God in the flashback scenes
>where he is (for Connor) doing just peachy? Because he looked bad in the
>scene w/ Heather, in the highwaymen romp, at Duncan's wedding (bah!),
>teaching Duncan the sword move, etc.
I don't think they made any effort to make him look younger in any of
the scenes -- I think they intended to show him in the worst possible
light all the way through the movie.
>Maybe he had work done in the past couple years. Or maybe he's just
>happy--he got married in the interim, didn't he?
Married and divorced, and is about to be married a third time.
As you point out, my theory is a theory. So is yours. Subsequently,
there is no way to prove that either one of us is right, short of
actually asking CL or the make-up people who worked on the film. I
think my theory is reasonable and plausible -- but I don't know if
it's right or not. Your theory -- that CL simply looks old and that
all the PR pix and recent films have been doctored to show otherwise
-- could also be correct.
Bottom line: we can argue about theory and hypothesis and what we
think all day, but what's the point? If there's no way to resolve
the disagreement, there's no point in it either. We're just arguing
over opinion, sans any way to determine the facts.
Bridget
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Bridget Mintz Testa
btesta@houston.rr.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:11:55 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
me before--
> >But, if your theory--about them aging Connor to show his ennui, is
> >correct--how come he _also_ looked older than God in the flashback scenes
> >where he is (for Connor) doing just peachy? Because he looked bad in the
> >scene w/ Heather, in the highwaymen romp, at Duncan's wedding (bah!),
> >teaching Duncan the sword move, etc.
Bridget--
> I don't think they made any effort to make him look younger in any of
> the scenes -- I think they intended to show him in the worst possible
> light all the way through the movie.
But that doesn't make sense. I thought you felt TPTB made CL look old in
order to show Connor's misery/suicidal tendendies in certain scenes. Why in
the world would anyone make CL look bad _throughout_ Endgame, & why would he
go for it?
> Married and divorced, and is about to be married a third time.
Well, that's getting sad.
> Bottom line: we can argue about theory and hypothesis and what we
> think all day, but what's the point? If there's no way to resolve
> the disagreement, there's no point in it either. We're just arguing
> over opinion, sans any way to determine the facts.
Didn't realize we were arguing. I was just trying to figure out what you
meant. Never mind.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:12:25 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: red white & blue swords (was--Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo)
Red--
>>>(good God, the mental decline has begun - I was going for it until the
part
about the 678 editors)((or maybe it was the red white and blue swords))>>>
Um--the red, white & blue sword is quite real. Well, as real as anything
put out by the HL Store. It's on the website--
"Behold the Pride. Behold the Spirit. Behold the Beauty. The American Spirit
Sword. A unique and powerful way to celebrate and pay tribute to our
country's proud heritage and unshakeable spirit, this Special Collector
Edition American Spirit Sword blends bold patriotic symbolism with
unparalleled craftsmanship in an outstanding museum-quality collectible."
Behold me puking....
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:09:54 -0500
From: Bridget Mintz Testa <btesta@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
>Bridget--
>> I don't think they made any effort to make him look younger in any of
>> the scenes -- I think they intended to show him in the worst possible
>> light all the way through the movie.
>
>But that doesn't make sense. I thought you felt TPTB made CL look old in
>order to show Connor's misery/suicidal tendendies in certain scenes. Why in
>the world would anyone make CL look bad _throughout_ Endgame, & why would he
>go for it?
>
I never said anything about "certain scenes." I think TPTB made CL
look old and weary throughout the movie to show an angst-ridden
Connor who simply grew more angst-ridden and weary of living as time
passed. With a few exceptions -- Ravenna, the forest scene where
Duncan met what's-her-name, stuff with Rachel, and the like -- Connor
was pretty sad and depressed all the way through the movie, beginning
with the men coming to his and Heather's home telling him they were
going to burn his mother as a witch. Connor was depicted badly all
the way through -- witness the sword move he taught Duncan in
Ravenna, telling Duncan that it was unstoppable. Except that Kell
was able to stop it with no problem.
Why would CL go for it? In an interview in a French magazine prior
to the movie, he was quoted as saying that he did not want to
continue, in his 40s, trying to play a character who was supposedly
18 years old. Endgame was to be the "handing over of the sword" to
Duncan.
>> Bottom line: we can argue about theory and hypothesis and what we
>> think all day, but what's the point? If there's no way to resolve
>> the disagreement, there's no point in it either. We're just arguing
>> over opinion, sans any way to determine the facts.
>
>Didn't realize we were arguing. I was just trying to figure out what you
>meant. Never mind.
I mean "arguing" as in a debate or as in math, not as in a passionate
fury. My argument -- or, if you will, point of discussion -- is that
Connor was made to look second-best to Duncan, deliberately and
intentionally, because TPTB want the HL franchise (such as there
still is) to be solely about Duncan and because CL is tired of
portraying a character two decades younger than he really is. Where
I get annoyed about it is in my belief that it all could have been
done so much better ... but I'm hardly alone in that!
Bridget
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Bridget Mintz Testa
btesta@houston.rr.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:35:22 -0400
From: KLZ <kzimmerman3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
>
> Bottom line: we can argue about theory and hypothesis and what we
> think all day, but what's the point? If there's no way to resolve
> the disagreement, there's no point in it either. We're just arguing
> over opinion, sans any way to determine the facts.
>
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the point of *discussion* the
presentation and comparison of ideas? Many (Carl T. Hermit) things
don't (Was Kayhill killed on HG?) have actual (Were Duncan and
Little Deer married?) facts behind them.
For me, discussion is a great deal more than just arguing
opinions. It's also learning how to package arguments in the best
writing that you can, whether to move, annoy, tease, or just plain
make Diet Coke come painfully out someone's nose when they get to
the part about the 678 editors.(You had me going there, Nina!!!)
ZK (If duncan were a fruit...)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:12:31 -0400
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: red white & blue swords (was--Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo)
In a message dated Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, mac.westie@verizon.net writes:
> Behold me puking....
Real. Huh. Behold me puking right along side you. I really, really want to believe it was so not real, too.
I get choked up about my country as much as the next person, but I don't need to buy cheap tri-colored stuff just to show how I feel. ;)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:17:00 -0400
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 1:35:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, kzimmerman3@cox.net writes:
> ZK (If duncan were a fruit...)
Absolutely not! I froth at the mouth! I flamenco dance on your statement! It is patently obvious that Duncan is not a fruit!
Now - if Duncan were a donut, would he be glazed or covered with chocolate shprinklz? Jelly or creme-filled? Discuss.
(and let's get the Kurgan out of that suit and in a nice... thong? Oog, there's a thought. A weird one, but a thought.)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:52:28 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
On 7/23/2002, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, RED57@aol.com wrote:
>>(and let's get the Kurgan out of that suit and in a nice... thong?
>>Oog, there's a thought. A weird one, but a thought.)
Now Ginny, I know you are dancing with less than a full troop of wombats
with that one. (or was that Ewoks?) Clancy in a thong, maybe. But the
Kurgan ?!?!?!?!
-Debbie
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|Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org|
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:23:34 -0400
From: Peggie Gannon <pgannon@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
Definitely Chocolate covered! A girl can NEVER have too much chocolate! YMMMMM
Peggie ;-P - Going back to lurker mode!
----- Original Message -----
From: RED57@aol.com
To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 1:35:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, kzimmerman3@cox.net writes:
> ZK (If duncan were a fruit...)
Absolutely not! I froth at the mouth! I flamenco dance on your statement! It is patently obvious that Duncan is not a fruit!
Now - if Duncan were a donut, would he be glazed or covered with chocolate shprinklz? Jelly or creme-filled? Discuss.
(and let's get the Kurgan out of that suit and in a nice... thong? Oog, there's a thought. A weird one, but a thought.)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:58:51 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
ZK muses:
> (If duncan were a fruit...)
Red sees red:
>Absolutely not! I froth at the mouth! I flamenco dance on your statement!
>It is patently obvious that Duncan is not a fruit!
Ha!
Was too ...was too...was *too*!
He ( and Methos) were like grapes on a vine.... bananas in a bunch...apples in a barrel!
There were a hundred little fruit signs over the years...it was obvious to anyone who isn't fruitophobic or a closet fruitophile.
Bwaaaahahahahahahahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wendy(Subtext.)(It was all in the subtext)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:59:52 -0400
From: SenseiRob@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
> ZK muses:
> > (If duncan were a fruit...)
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> Red sees red:
> >Absolutely not! I froth at the mouth! I flamenco dance on your statement!
> >It is patently obvious that Duncan is not a fruit!
Wendy jumps in:
> Ha!
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> Was too ...was too...was *too*!
It was all that time he spent up in Canada, y'know. Naturalized him.
> He ( and Methos ) were like grapes on a vine.... bananas in a bunch... apples in a barrel!
Peanuts in a shell? ( Peanuts! I said *peanuts!* )
> There were a hundred little fruit signs over the years...it was obvious to anyone who isn't fruitophobic or a closet fruitophile.
>
And the big signs, like the nosepainting scene. Hey, it happens... and you know how those Scotsmen get when they're separated from their flock, after all.
> Bwaaaahahahahahahahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
> aaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto
> Wendy(Subtext.)(It was all in the subtext)
-Rob (Have a happy, Wendy!) (Weasel Day = Yermo's Eve) (Disconcerting)
SenseiRob@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:19:52 EDT
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
In a message dated 7/23/2002 2:52:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
ddoug@catrio.org writes:
> Now Ginny, I know you are dancing with less than a full troop of wombats
> with that one. (or was that Ewoks?) Clancy in a thong, maybe. But the
> Kurgan ?!?!?!?!
>
Hey, it could be armored. Or it could match his helmet. ;)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:34:27 EDT
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
In a message dated 7/23/2002 4:59:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjswbt@earthlink.net writes:
> He ( and Methos) were like grapes on a vine.... bananas in a bunch...apples
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> Wendy(Subtext.)(It was all in the subtext)
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Aha! You too paint with a wide brush (that's another subtext entirely).
I beg to differ with the listmember from Somewhere Near The Capital of A
Well-Known Superpower. I didn't see any little fruit signs. Oh, wait, there
was that one scene in the grocery store. That might have been near the
produce section. In Aisle Nine.
And now if you have quite finished with your little fruitist diatribe, I
shall continue.
Methos, for example. Annoying commercials? Minty fresh or tropical.... no!
Not tropical fruiit! Minty fresh!
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:43:16 EDT
From: RED57@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo
In a message dated 7/23/2002 5:59:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
SenseiRob@aol.com writes:
> Peanuts in a shell? ( Peanuts! I said *peanuts!* )
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Smooth or crunchy? Or roasted and finely chopped on.... say... a DONUT?????
Hmmmm?
> > There were a hundred little fruit signs over the years...it was obvious to
> anyone who isn't fruitophobic or a closet fruitophile.
Aaaugh, the fruitist agenda again!
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> And the big signs, like the nosepainting scene. Hey, it happens... and you
> know how those Scotsmen get when they're separated from their flock, after
> all.
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> > Bwaaaahahahahahahahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
> > aaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You may indeed ruminate and say "bwaaaaaa." As would the sheep. When they
weren't running like hell over the bonnie braes o' Scotland to get away from
those lonesome Scotsmen.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:38:52 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Duncan Donuts (was-- Re: The Kurgan wears a suit on Bravo)
Peggy--
> Definitely Chocolate covered! A girl can NEVER have too much chocolate!
YMMMMM
Somehow, chocolate _filled_ seems more ... decadent, & if we're gonna
fantasize....
Nina (And I'm a Southern girl, so Crispie Creme donuts will always be near &
dear to me.)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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