There are 14 messages totalling 913 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) (4) 2. Who is this "Lance" Guy????!! Geesh!!!! 3. Greetings and Question about Endgame (7) 4. a "fresher approach" (was)Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS 5. OT...this is a test ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:57:03 -0500 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) Nina wrote: >> S >> >> P >> >> O >> >> I >> >> L >> >> E >> >> R >> >> >> S >> >> P >> >> A >> >> C >> >> E >Other "fun" stuff to watch for (sort of in order)-- >--The opening credits--w/ clan MacLeod tartan forming the background. Whoops, didn't notice. >--HL1 alums Sheila Gish & Beattie Edney appearing, though briefly. Loved that, though Heather's accent had disappeared. (And I said so, loudly, in the theatre, causing the people next to me to look at me funny.) >--Try figuring out whether Kell was a pre-Immie or already an Immortal as of >Connor's village flashback (have headache remedy available). Well, wouldn't he have said something if he'd already been an immie? >--See the scabbed-over scrapes on AP's hand, in DM's very 1st scene (the AM >kata). Didn't notice. Was too busy complaining about the grunting. I know it's authentic, but did he have to? >--Hear Methos say his 1st line in the film & note that it is identical to >his 1st series line. Missed that, darn. Time to drive another 30 k's to Sandton I guess! >--Wonder why neither Methos nor DM is upset that an Immie BHd others on Holy >Ground (finish off the aspirin). Someone said he went rogue and broke the rules - but how come nothing happened. (Bet Wendy is thrilled; she knew all along they weren't rules, just guidelines.) >--Don't blink, or you'll also miss the much-ballyhooed Edge appearance--as >the main highwayman (unnamed). I have no idea who that is. >--In Connor's room in the ruined loft, the period outfit DM fingers >nostalgically is the one HE wore in the Verona flashback. Wonder if Connor >has a whole closet of DM's clothes someplace (you're out of aspirin; switch >to booze). If you're a slash fan it's quite fun to think about. *Snicker snicker* He was obviously keeping them for, er, *sentimental* reasons. >--DM got married--try not to think about it. Gillian Horvath is one of the writers and didn't catch this?? >--Try to figure out if Connor wanted DM to make Kate an Immie, or not >(swig). I thought he didn't. >--Squirm over the glowing nose goop injection. Oh, we both did. >--Look at the map Joe's Watcher computer shows for DM's kills--nothing at >all in the NW area of the US. Hmmm. And some in South Africa! Cool. :) >--See HL1's Silvercup sign as Methos drives DM to the cemetery. Yelling "whoo-hoo" really loudly in a (somewhat) crowded movie theatre is not recommended... <g> >--See/hear Kell playing "Bonnie Portmore" on the harmonica (during the same >drive). Didn't notice. >--Wonder how come DM goes to a cemetery to "see the body" of a buried >person--w/o taking along a shovel (more booze). Yes, I noticed that one!! >--Hear Faith blaming DM for her not having kids (booze again). Yeah, why didn't he bother to correct her? >--AP's butt--always fun. Oh, always!! >--Wince when DM says "The difference between Connor & I" at the elevator. I'm an English teacher. I groaned and winced. >--In the Connor/DM rooftop fight, wonder how much they got paid to feature >the JVC sign so prominently. Also note the Christmas tree. And wish the >dialogue were better. And wonder if it's possible to have acid flashbacks if you've never taken acid. Then realise it's a flashback to the TV series. Talk about your recycled dialogue. >--None of the supernatural powers crap for Kell in the 3rd trailer made it >into the final cut, leaving us w/ a villain who is SAID to be really, really >bad--but not bothering to SHOW us that he is (lots more booze). Well, who was watching the bad guy anyway? Not me! >--Wonder why Kell had his shoes decorated. Maybe that had something to do with why he could break the rules?? >--Wonder why Kell talks funny. Bruce Martin Payne is English, isn't he? >--Try to figure out if Kell's lair is Holy Ground, too (finish off the >bottle). Why would it be? >--Kell's Last Supper scene--note all the wine & bread. Also, wonder what >happened to the flockees who aren't shown BHd. And wasn't it nice of the Quickening to wait until he'd beheaded the entire bunch before starting. >--Wonder what moron is responsible for all that horrid morphing of faces. Yeah, that sucked. >--Wonder how come, after all that struggling, DM was suddenly able to BH >Kell. Connor helped. <g> >--Laugh at the huge & hokey star shining in the heavens as Kell's Q ends; >hope very much it wasn't supposed to symbolize Connor smiling down on DM >from Zeist. Didn't notice. >--Laugh at the terrible matte painting used for the Scotland background in >the final scene. Didn't notice. >--Note the Peace emblem on the collar of DM's shirt there. Didn't notice. >--Say--"That's it?!" when it's all over. Hit something. I kept saying, "I love you, Connor," in Duncan's accent and getting all choked up. >Don't drive home--you're drunk (& out of aspirin). That's okay. I don't even have a license. :) - Marina. (I never mentioned Richie once, see.) (Oops.) \\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\ \\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait, 'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!" - Tarryn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:20:52 -0800 From: "R. Shelton" <rshelton@jps.net> Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) At 1:19 PM -1000 01/12/2001, Geiger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > A > > > > C > > > > E >Tarryn-- > > << what mistakes/quirks/fun stuff, etc. I should look out for. > >Not that there weren't other louse-like things at work, of course. >Other "fun" stuff to watch for (sort of in order)-- ><snip> >Don't drive home--you're drunk (& out of aspirin). ROTFLMAO!! I think I woke up my neighbors downstairs laughing - What a great list! And unfortunately all too true. . . Rachel (sorry - I just had to post this)(still laughing) Rachel Shelton rshelton@jps.net @}->->->- "What if I told you it was Magic. . .?" Duncan MacLeod ~UA~ Highlander:TS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:20:36 EST From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com> Subject: Re: Who is this "Lance" Guy????!! Geesh!!!! In a message dated 1/9/01 7:09:20 PM Central Standard Time, USTADAWN@aol.com writes: << I have been lurking for some time now, but I have to say that in reading the last week's postings I have come to the conclusion that Lance needs professional help! I am a true blue Highlander fan, but give me a freaking break!!!! Lance, Connor is a ficticious character in a story many of us LOVE. He is dead!!! If you want him alive again, go into your own world of FanFic and revive him!!!! Get off your soapbox now, Lance - move on and get a REAL life!!!!! >> I believe that people should stand up and fight for what they believe4 in, no matter how asinine it might be to othgers. many of us are passionate about Connor and believe he is vital to the continuing franchise. Passion is a funny thing, in the same was it drove MLK and civil rights supporters in the 60's, it now drives us. When you have that kind of force, it can be an incredible thing!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:23:59 EST From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame In a message dated 1/8/01 6:30:51 AM Central Standard Time, Bizarro7@aol.com writes: << << When did I say this? We do feel that ity is our duty to help pseudo-HL fans see the light of truth and concentrate on bringing back Connor. What is wrong with this? >> Wow. It takes talent to insult an entire mailing list in one simple stroke. I've seen many a private or limited war on this list, but never anything like this. I think it calls for a spectacular and definitive gesture on the part of the Powers That Be, but that's just my own personal expression of admiration. >> Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made them aware of the movement and the consequences should they fail to meet our expectations. We have already begun a planned worldwide boycott of the DVD should it not include a version of the film in which Connor lives. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:25:06 EST From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com> Subject: Re: a "fresher approach" (was)Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS In a message dated 1/8/01 7:53:03 AM Central Standard Time, liser@lightlink.com writes: << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 > > > > I asked Lance, who wanted a "fresher approach" in Endgame: > << A fresher approach to the immortal concept? Such as?>> His response: > > Glad you asked. The Connor-Duncan pairing, if it had to happen, could have > been so much more interesting. How about having Duncan kill one of Connor's > friends unknowingly, and then having Connor deal with going after his former > student and the consequences thereafter. Who needs an evil immie, and there > many ways to resolve this situation and have a great story. Endgame was to > simple, and unsatisfying. >> > >Another thought hit me. How about having Connor kill one of Duncan's friends >in a quarrel, perhaps Methos or Amanda, and having Duncan deal with going >after hos former teacher and kinsmen. Um. While it's true that that particular angle hasn't ever been played out (Duncan and Connor in direct conflict over a kill), the idea in general most certainly has. Richie killed one of Duncan's friends in Haunted. Methos tortured one of Duncan's friends in the Horseman arc (in FB). Amanda wanted to kill Methos in Methuselah's Gift. I'm sure there are more...this is just what came to me off the top of my head on a Monday morning. So..what you suggest above isn't any more fresh than what we saw in Endgame. Further, I don't really think it's a viable plot. Duncan isn't going to attack Connor over a dead friend. Connor isn't going to attack Duncan over a dead friend. Their relationship goes deeper than that. It's true that such a thing (killing a friend) would likely drive a huge rift between the two, but I doubt very much that it would come to swords in a serious manner. What you have left, then, is 2 hours of them brooding at one another, whining to the secondary characters about how terrible it is that their beloved brother killed X friend and one of two endings: 1. They walk away not speaking to one another 2. They reconcile. This would make great fan-fic. And a LOUSY movie, IMO. >> In your opinion. Connor has only appeared in the series once. Thus, using his perspective it would be fresh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:04:12 EST From: Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com> Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) In a message dated 1/13/01 12:57:37 AM, tmar@fast.co.za writes: >Nina wrote: >>> S >>> >>> P >>> >>> O >>> >>> I >>> >>> L >>> >>> E >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> S >>> >>> P >>> >>> A >>> >>> C >>> >>> E > >>Other "fun" stuff to watch for (sort of in order)-- > >>--The opening credits--w/ clan MacLeod tartan forming the background. > >Whoops, didn't notice. > >>--HL1 alums Sheila Gish & Beattie Edney appearing, though briefly. > >Loved that, though Heather's accent had disappeared. (And I said so, >loudly, in the theatre, causing the people next to me to look at me >funny.) > >>--Try figuring out whether Kell was a pre-Immie or already an Immortal >as of >>Connor's village flashback (have headache remedy available). > >Well, wouldn't he have said something if he'd already been an immie? > >>--See the scabbed-over scrapes on AP's hand, in DM's very 1st scene (the >AM >>kata). > >Didn't notice. Was too busy complaining about the grunting. I know >it's authentic, but did he have to? > >>--Hear Methos say his 1st line in the film & note that it is identical >to >>his 1st series line. > >Missed that, darn. Time to drive another 30 k's to Sandton I guess! > >>--Wonder why neither Methos nor DM is upset that an Immie BHd others on >Holy >>Ground (finish off the aspirin). > >Someone said he went rogue and broke the rules - but how come nothing >happened. (Bet Wendy is thrilled; she knew all along they weren't >rules, just guidelines.) > >>--Don't blink, or you'll also miss the much-ballyhooed Edge appearance--as >>the main highwayman (unnamed). > >I have no idea who that is. > >>--In Connor's room in the ruined loft, the period outfit DM fingers >>nostalgically is the one HE wore in the Verona flashback. Wonder if Connor >>has a whole closet of DM's clothes someplace (you're out of aspirin; switch >>to booze). > >If you're a slash fan it's quite fun to think about. *Snicker snicker* >He was obviously keeping them for, er, *sentimental* reasons. > >>--DM got married--try not to think about it. > >Gillian Horvath is one of the writers and didn't catch this?? > >>--Try to figure out if Connor wanted DM to make Kate an Immie, or not >>(swig). > >I thought he didn't. > >>--Squirm over the glowing nose goop injection. > >Oh, we both did. I nearly lost my "cookies" >>--Look at the map Joe's Watcher computer shows for DM's kills--nothing >at >>all in the NW area of the US. Hmmm. > Joe might've been on vacation. >And some in South Africa! Cool. :) > >> >>--See/hear Kell playing "Bonnie Portmore" on the harmonica (during the >same >>drive). > >Didn't notice. > This was funny, even Roger (alias Sweety) got it and he's not a Highlander fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:01:44 -0500 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame On 1/13/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Lance Aldridge wrote: >>Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made >>them aware of the movement and the consequences should they fail to >>meet our expectations. We have already begun a planned worldwide >>boycott of the DVD should it not include a version of the film in >>which Connor lives. You have already begun a boycott of a DVD that has not been released yet? How can you not buy something that is not available? -Debra -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. | No flames were thrown in the creation of this email message. | |------------------------------------------------------------------| |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:31:52 EST From: Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame In a message dated 1/13/01 9:05:17 AM, ddoug@catrio.org writes: >On 1/13/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Lance Aldridge wrote: > >>Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made > >>them aware of the movement and the consequences should they fail to > >>meet our expectations. We have already begun a planned worldwide > >>boycott of the DVD should it not include a version of the film in > >>which Connor lives. > >You have already begun a boycott of a DVD that has not been released >yet? How can you not buy something that is not available? > >-Debra >-- Oh great and wise listmistress and group; is there an emoticon for rolling your eyes in exasperation. Suz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:06:06 -0500 From: Gina Shaw <ginadc@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame Lance fantasized: > >>Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made > >>them aware of the movement and the consequences should they fail to > >>meet our expectations. We have already begun a planned worldwide > >>boycott of the DVD should it not include a version of the film in > >>which Connor lives. And her Goddessnessnessness said: >You have already begun a boycott of a DVD that has not been released >yet? How can you not buy something that is not available? See how well it's working already? :: ducking and running :: Gina, who's heard Martin Luther King Jr.'s name invoked inappropriately many times but never with quite this degree of silliness ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:35:59 -0500 From: swrdlvr@webtv.net Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! This should be handed out to HL movie goers as a guide for watching.Nina's Guide for the Wonders of Endgame. Still laughing, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:48:50 -0800 From: Jen Allen <jen@jendaveallen.com> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame Debra Douglass wrote: > You have already begun a boycott of a DVD that has not been released > yet? How can you not buy something that is not available? Um, well, er. I almost hate to say this because it sounds like I support Lance, which I definitely don't. But according the email I got yesterday, it is available. > Greeting Highlander Fans - > > Be the first to own this exciting DVD edition of Highlander Endgame, available > exclusively at The Official Highlander Website (http://www.highlander-official.com > ). In edition to the exciting bonus material available on this two-disc > collector's edition (you can learn all about it on the website) when you purchase > your copy now you will also receive special Endgame bonus items absolutely free. I even ordered it as an excuse to have a regional PWFC get-together. It's $29.99 plus shipping, and they claim it will arrive in 4-6 weeks. Of course, that's 4-6 Fusion weeks... Jen (at least with the DVD I can skip from Methos scene to Methos scene a lot faster...) -- Corporal - MFWC Jen Allen PWFC co-RC Northern CA _ ____ /( ) _ \ It's Tuesday. He never takes heads on Tuesday. / // /\` \, -- Duncan in Forgive Us Our Trespasses \| |/ \| ^~^~^~~^~~~^~~^^ Chronicler for JL Dawson =+=+=+= Bryan Cutler =+=+=+= James O'Leary Read their stories at: http://www.jendaveallen.com/Fanfic/ficidx.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:31:27 EST From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame In a message dated 1/13/01 11:48:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jen@jendaveallen.com writes: << according the email I got yesterday, it is available. It is being sold. I don't think that equals "it is available." Amazon.com is selling it too. But all the DVD sites list its release as February 20th. [and that *is* 5 weeks from now so saying they'll send it within 6 weeks isn't necessarily false] I guess we'll see. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:04:39 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame Lance-- > Actually, we have met with tptb about the Connor issue and made them aware of > the movement and the consequences should they fail to meet our expectations. I think we can expect (& understand) heightened security for TPTB at cons & other events. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:55:52 EST From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com> Subject: OT...this is a test < THE TEST This is kind of a cool test, I hope you enjoy it. Take this test for yourself..and send it to your friends, including me, and let them know who you are. My score is in the subject box. Don't peek but begin the test as you scroll down and answer. Answers are for who you are now..not who you were in the past. Have pen or pencil and paper ready. This is a real test given by the Human Relations Dept at many of the major corporations today. It helps them get a better insight concerning their employees and potential employees. It's only 10 simple questions, so.. Grab a pencil and paper, keeping track of your letter answers. Make sure to change the subject; of the e-mail to read YOUR total. When you are finished, forward this to everyone you know, and also send it to the person who sent this to you. Make sure to put YOUR score in the subject box. Ready?? Begin.. 1. When do you feel your best? (a) in the morning (b) during the afternoon & early evening (c) late at night 2. You usually walk (a) fairly fast, with long steps (b) fairly fast, with short, quick steps (c) less fast head up, looking the world in the face (d) less fast, head down (e) very slowly 3. When talking to people you (a) stand with your arms folded (b) have your hands clasped (c) have one or both your hands on your hips (d) touch or push the person to whom you are talking (e) play with your ear, touch your chin, or smooth your hair 4. When relaxing, you sit with (a) your knees bent with your legs neatly side by side (b) your legs crossed (c) your legs stretched out or straight (d) your legs apart and slouched 5. When something really amuses you, you react with (a) a big, appreciative laugh (b) a laugh, but not a loud one (c) a quiet chuckle (d) a sheepish smile 6. When you go to a party or social gathering you. (a) make a loud entrance so everyone notices you (b) make a quiet entrance, looking around for someone you know (c) make the quietest entrance, trying to stay unnoticed 7. You're working very hard, concentrating hard, and you're interrupted. Do you. (a) welcome the break (b) feel extremely irritated (c) vary between these two extremes 8. Which of the following colours do you like most? (a) red or orange (b) black (c) yellow or light blue (d) green (e) dark blue or purple (f) white (g) brown or grey 9. When you are in bed at night, in those last few, moments before going to sleep, you lie (a) stretched out on your back (b) stretched out face down on your stomach (c) on your side, slightly curled (d) with your head on one arm (e) with your head under the covers 10. You often dream that you are (a) falling (b) fighting or struggling (c) searching for something or somebody (d) flying or floating (e) you usually have dreamless sleep (f) your dreams are always pleasant POINTS: 1. (a) 2 (b) 4 (c) 6 2. (a) 6 (b) 4 (c) 7 (d) 2 (e) 1 3. (a) 4 (b) 2 (c) 5 (d) 7 (e) 6 4. (a) 4 (b) 6 (c) 2 (d) 1 5. (a) 6 (b) 4 (c) 3 (d) 5 (e) 2 6. (a) 6 (b) 4 (c) 2 7. (a) 6 (b) 2 (c) 4 8. (a) 6 (b) 7 (c) 5 (d) 4 (e) 3 (f) 2 (g) 1 9. (a) 7 (b) 6 (c) 4 (d) 2 (e) 1 10.(a) 4 (b) 2 (c) 3 (d) 5 (e) 6 (f) 1 Now add up the total number of points. 45 OVER 60 POINTS: Others see you as someone they should handle with care. You're seen as vain, self-centred, and who is extemely dominant. Others may admire you, wishing they could be more like you, but don't always trust you, hesitating to become too deeply involved with you. 51 TO 60 POINTS: Others see you as an exciting, highly volatile, rather impulsive personality a natural leader, who's quick to make decisions, though not always the ones. They see you as bold and adventuresome, someone who will try anything once; someone who takes chances and enjoys an adventure. They enjoy being in your company because of the excitement you radiate. 41 TO 50 POINTS: Others see you as fresh, lively, charming, amusing, practical, and always interesting; someone who's constantly in the centre of attention, but sufficiently well-balanced not to let it go to their head. They also see you as kind, considerate, and understanding; someone who'll always cheer them up and help them out. 31 TO 40 POINTS: Others see you as sensible,cautious,careful & practical. They see you as clever, gifted, or talented, but modest. Not a person who makes friends too quickly or easily,but someone who's extremely loyal to friends you do make and who expect the same loyalty in return. Those who really get to know you realize it takes a lot to shake your trust in your friends, but equally that it takes you a long time to get over it if that trust is ever broken. 21 TO 30 POINTS: Your friends see you as painstaking and fussy. They see you as very cautious, extremely careful, a slow and steady plodder. It'd really surprise them if you ever did something impulsively or on the spur of the moment, expecting you to examine everything carefully from every angle and then, usually decide against it. They think this reaction is caused partly by your careful nature. UNDER 21 POINTS: People think you are shy, nervous, and indecisive, someone who needs looking after, who always wants someone else to make the decisions & who doesn't want to get involved with anyone or anything. They see you as a worrier who always sees problems that don't exist. Some people think you're boring. Only those who know you well know that you aren't. Now forward this on to everyone you know, making sure to put YOUR score in the subject box! lynxf19@aol.com> ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 12 Jan 2001 to 13 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-28) ******************************************************************************