HIGHLA-L Digest - 11 Jan 2001 to 12 Jan 2001 (#2001-27)
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Topics of the day:
1. Series question
2. Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (SPOILERS) (2)
3. Series Question
4. Endgame - comments from a first time viewer (SPOILERS)
5. Jim Byrnes on Vicki Gabereau (2)
6. Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS) (3)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:57:58 -0500
From: "Claire L. Maier, Ph.D." <bioaw124@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Series question
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Sherry Kirkvold wrote:
> Those of us lucky enough to still have Highlander 5 days a week, saw the
> last episode today so I imagine tomorrow we start again with Season 2. Can
> anyone tell me why Season 1 isn't part of the reruns?
If you are in Canada, the reason is that season 1 doesn't have enough
Canadian content.
--
Claire Maier, Ph.D. bioaw124@emory.edu CLMaier (within AOL only)
To be different is not necessarily to be ugly;
to have a different idea is not necessarily to be wrong.
The worst possible thing is for all of us to begin
to look and act and think alike.
-- Gene Roddenberry
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:03:36 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (SPOILERS)
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Hope that's enough spaces. I finally got to see it this morning, even skipped work to do so. But, despite my long patience and willpower, I found out about Connor yesterday, after (stupidly) reading one of Marina's posts, even though it said 'Spoilers'. I didn't think it would have that big a spoiler in it. Anyway, went to the mall, and was told it wasn't starting there, after they said 'yes' last week, so I had to go rushing across town. Scored a poster though!
So I was prepared, and had tissues. I was surprised to see 9 other people in there, this being a weekday, school holidays almost over and 9am. Didn't stop me from commenting, squealing and bawling my head off though!
Questions:
I'm going again (many times) so can y'all please tell me what mistakes/quirks/fun stuff, etc. I should look out for. I couldn't spot F. Braun McAsh, I didn't see any levitating swords, and where was the scene from the trailers etc. where Kell gets split into 2???????
That was a lot of naked flesh and heavy breathing (in the bedroom scene) for a PG-13, or am I becomming a fuddy-duddy? There wasn't that much more in HL3, and that was 16.
I also wasn't impressed with the special effects. Quickenings in the series were much more spectacular, and where do they come off having Connor's Quickening have the same 'amount of firepower' as the follower Kell took out in the antique store??!! I could also spot the fake backdrops from a mile away.
It still won't stop me from going again, and again, and again, until it leaves. It will probably only be on a week, and it's only at 1 cinema that I can get to. Do you think we'll get a directors cut for this?
Tarryn
(still wearing my sword necklace and DM hairtie and telling people I've had an allergic reaction if they comment on my puffy & red eyes)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:53:17 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (SPOILERS)
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<< what mistakes/quirks/fun stuff, etc. I should look out for.
Don't miss the fight at the end with Kell in which one minute DM is wearing a
long leather coat and he falls and ===whosh=== it's not on him. Can we say
lousy editing?
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The theater release and extra goodies on DVD are scheduled for release in
February.
There is supposed to be a separate Director's cut out in the spring.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:40:33 -0500
From: Lynn LiDonnici <lylidonnici@vassar.edu>
Subject: Re: Series Question
I am so jealous of people who still get ANY HL on TV! Does anyone know
whether the sci-fi channel in the US is ever going to put it back on? I
was so happy when they bought it but now they seem to have forgotten all
about it. I am bereft!
Lynn LiDonnici
lylidonnici@vassar.edu
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:07:18 -0500
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za>
Subject: Re: Endgame - comments from a first time viewer (SPOILERS)
Tarryn wrote:
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>So I was prepared, and had tissues. I was surprised to see 9 other people
in >there, this being a weekday, school holidays almost over and 9am. Didn't
stop >me from commenting, squealing and bawling my head off though!
We went to Sandton City, which had a queue right down the corridor,
as always, but the movie theatre showed Endgame wasn't filled up. At
least the audience who did go seemed to know what was going on and
weren't clueless. I think if one didn't have at least some familiarity
with the HL universe they wouldn't have the first clue as to what was
going on.
I'm not going to go into detail as I'm sure I will just be rehashing
what others said all those months ago when I was avoiding spoilers
like the plague, BUT:
I was all prepared to get choked up and start bawling over Connor's
death, since I had only read that he died, not how. I suppose I had
assumed that the bad guy (has Bruce Martin Payne *ever* played a
good guy in a movie?!) killed him. Imagine my surprise/shock when
we got a virtual rehash of the scene from "Methos"! And when Duncan
said, "I love you, Connor," I melted. If Connor had to die, then
this was definitely the way to do it.
>That was a lot of naked flesh and heavy breathing (in the bedroom scene)
>for a PG-13, or am I becomming a fuddy-duddy? There wasn't that much more
>in HL3, and that was 16.
At least Duncan was on top some of the time. :)
>It still won't stop me from going again, and again, and again, until it
>leaves. It will probably only be on a week, and it's only at 1 cinema
>that I can get to. Do you think we'll get a directors cut for this?
Which one did you go to? The Wheel? There are only two in Durbs that
are showing it. I have a movie theatre two k's from my house and it's
not showing there. Had to drive 30 k's to Sandton to see it. At least
I went with a sympathetic person, my brother. :) Anyone who has a
non-country specific email address, please go to www.moviesite.co.za
and give it a good rating! (Tarryn, this means you. <g>)
- Marina. (He said, "I love you, Connor.") (Oooh, the possibilities.)
(And there were some very slashy lines by the bad guy, too.) (I am a
bad, bad girl.) <g>
\\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\
\\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait,
'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!"
- Tarryn
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:20:42 -0800
From: K Swanson <swanson@telus.net>
Subject: Jim Byrnes on Vicki Gabereau
Someone on another list I'm on sent me this, and I thought it might be of
interest to some people here.
Karyn
The "Vicki Gabereau" Show, Canada's premiere daytime talk show is pleased
to have Jim Byrnes as one of Vicki's upcoming guests.
Fans in the
Vancouver area can be part of the live studio audience. Tickets are free,
and can be arranged by contacting me either by e-mail (lballstadt@ctv.ca)
or by calling (604) 609-5766.
Jim will be in studio Monday, Jan. 15th. Those interested in being in the
studio audience are asked to arrive around 10:30 am, and we will tape
until approx. 1:00 pm. The studios are located in the VTV building (750
Burrard Street).
Those who are unable to attend but would like to see the show when it
airs, can tune in on Wed. Jan 17th, in Vancouver it will air on VTV at
11:00am as well as 3:00pm, but it also airs nationally on CTV (check local
listings).
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:34:43 GMT
From: Sue Mazzeo <smazzeo@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Jim Byrnes on Vicki Gabereau
Would anyone be able to tape this for those of us who are Canadian Challenged?
I'm sure that there are more than those of us who live in the US that would
like to see Jim in an interview.
Thanks to whoever could help.
Sue Mazzeo
smazzeo@jps.net
>Someone on another list I'm on sent me this, and I thought it might be of
>interest to some people here.
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>Karyn
>The "Vicki Gabereau" Show, Canada's premiere daytime talk show is pleased
>to have Jim Byrnes as one of Vicki's upcoming guests.
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> Fans in the
>Vancouver area can be part of the live studio audience. Tickets are free,
>and can be arranged by contacting me either by e-mail (lballstadt@ctv.ca)
>or by calling (604) 609-5766.
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>Jim will be in studio Monday, Jan. 15th. Those interested in being in the
>studio audience are asked to arrive around 10:30 am, and we will tape
>until approx. 1:00 pm. The studios are located in the VTV building (750
>Burrard Street).
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>Those who are unable to attend but would like to see the show when it
>airs, can tune in on Wed. Jan 17th, in Vancouver it will air on VTV at
>11:00am as well as 3:00pm, but it also airs nationally on CTV (check local
>listings).
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:19:38 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
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Tarryn--
> << what mistakes/quirks/fun stuff, etc. I should look out for.
Dorothy--
> Don't miss the fight at the end with Kell in which one minute DM is
wearing a
> long leather coat and he falls and ===whosh=== it's not on him. Can we
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> lousy editing?
I know I can--lousy editing, lousy editing, lousy editing, lousy editing,
lousy editing, lousy editing, lousy editing, lousy editing, lousy editing,
lousy editing, lousy editing.
Not that there weren't other louse-like things at work, of course.
Other "fun" stuff to watch for (sort of in order)--
--The opening credits--w/ clan MacLeod tartan forming the background.
--HL1 alums Sheila Gish & Beattie Edney appearing, though briefly.
--Try figuring out whether Kell was a pre-Immie or already an Immortal as of
Connor's village flashback (have headache remedy available).
--See the scabbed-over scrapes on AP's hand, in DM's very 1st scene (the AM
kata).
--Try to figure out where on the planet DM is living there (take more
aspirin).
--Hear Methos say his 1st line in the film & note that it is identical to
his 1st series line.
--Wonder why neither Methos nor DM is upset that an Immie BHd others on Holy
Ground (finish off the aspirin).
--McAsh has no lines; he's very briefly in the Irish highwayman FB--he holds
the horses.
--Don't blink, or you'll also miss the much-ballyhooed Edge appearance--as
the main highwayman (unnamed).
--In Connor's room in the ruined loft, the period outfit DM fingers
nostalgically is the one HE wore in the Verona flashback. Wonder if Connor
has a whole closet of DM's clothes someplace (you're out of aspirin; switch
to booze).
--DM got married--try not to think about it.
--Try to figure out if Connor wanted DM to make Kate an Immie, or not
(swig).
--In the loft fight, the soon-to-be-dead Carlos says to DM--"I SAID I was
gonna cut you." Unfortunately, he had NOT said that.
--Note that most of Kell's flock aren't given names, nor is the Sanctuary
Watcher dude.
--Look for the director onscreen (he's the Watcher/monk who shines the
flashlight in captive DM's face).
--Squirm over the glowing nose goop injection.
--Look at the map Joe's Watcher computer shows for DM's kills--nothing at
all in the NW area of the US. Hmmm.
--See HL1's Silvercup sign as Methos drives DM to the cemetery.
--See/hear Kell playing "Bonnie Portmore" on the harmonica (during the same
drive).
--Wonder how come DM goes to a cemetery to "see the body" of a buried
person--w/o taking along a shovel (more booze).
--See London's new Millennium Dome. (Faith's studio & DM walking around
were filmed there--the 1st film to shoot inside it).
--Hear Faith blaming DM for her not having kids (booze again).
--Look for AP's brother (he's on the credits as "photographer").
--AP's butt--always fun.
--Kate's locket--it lives! (In the sex scene, she suddenly has it, leaving
w/ it around her neck.) Since he had it after the wedding night fiasco,
wonder if AP kept it on his person at all times since then or had it express
mailed to him from storage after seeing her in the loft--just so he could
handily return it to her (off-camera).
--Wince when DM says "The difference between Connor & I" at the elevator.
--In the Connor/DM rooftop fight, wonder how much they got paid to feature
the JVC sign so prominently. Also note the Christmas tree. And wish the
dialogue were better.
--None of the supernatural powers crap for Kell in the 3rd trailer made it
into the final cut, leaving us w/ a villain who is SAID to be really, really
bad--but not bothering to SHOW us that he is (lots more booze).
--Wonder why Kell had his shoes decorated.
--Wonder why Kell talks funny.
--Try to figure out if Kell's lair is Holy Ground, too (finish off the
bottle).
--Kell's Last Supper scene--note all the wine & bread. Also, wonder what
happened to the flockees who aren't shown BHd.
--As to the final fight--see that Kell & DM are clearly down in the bowels o
f the building, then suddenly are fighting high over the city--poof! (too
bad--you're out of booze)
--Wonder what moron is responsible for all that horrid morphing of faces.
--Wonder how come, after all that struggling, DM was suddenly able to BH
Kell.
--Laugh at the huge & hokey star shining in the heavens as Kell's Q ends;
hope very much it wasn't supposed to symbolize Connor smiling down on DM
from Zeist.
--Laugh at the terrible matte painting used for the Scotland background in
the final scene.
--Note the Peace emblem on the collar of DM's shirt there.
--Say--"That's it?!" when it's all over. Hit something.
--Count the "Adrian" names in the final credits--total is in the double
digits.
Don't drive home--you're drunk (& out of aspirin).
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:04:48 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
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Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
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> --Kate's locket--it lives! (In the sex scene, she suddenly has it,
leaving
> w/ it around her neck.) Since he had it after the wedding night fiasco,
> wonder if AP kept it on his person at all times since then or had it
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> handily return it to her (off-camera
That's definately an editing problem. The scene with him holding it
in the rain was BEFORE he gave it to her - he was *dedicating* it.
She ran off with it round her neck next morning when she awoke.
(it was daylight when she awoke, it was dark when he was holding
it up to the moon)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:36:33 -0400
From: Rebecca Wallace <becky717@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Endgame - questions from a first time viewer (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Jette Goldie wrote:
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> That's definately an editing problem. The scene with him holding it
> in the rain was BEFORE he gave it to her - he was *dedicating* it.
> She ran off with it round her neck next morning when she awoke.
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Also, if I am not mistaken, she had it on *before* she went to see Duncan at
the hotel...
I am pretty sure that's the way it was when I saw it the 2nd or 3rd or 4th
time (whichever
time it was after I read here or another ng about the ?s about the whereabouts
of the
necklace and I tried to make a point of looking for it)... at first I thought
he had
given it to her after they made love at the hotel (after the first time I saw
the movie), but then I remember seeing it on her in modern times before that
scene...
it was kinda not that noticeable because of those kinds of necklaces she was
wearing...
-Becky
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