There are 15 messages totalling 673 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Endgame at Blockbusters (4) 2. EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... (6) 3. HLDU Auction #8 4. ADMIN: Moving day (3) 5. Endgame Question - Spoilers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:52:19 -1000 From: Pat Bentley <patb@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Endgame at Blockbusters Hi gang, Well, good news is that Mark and I went to a couple Blockbusters (in Honolulu) to try to rent Endgame. Every copy was out. So it seems that it will be picking up good numbers from a video audience. I was also pleased to see that it is the Producer's cut and am looking forward to seeing it for myself. Thanks to all who have been posting spoilers about the differences. Patter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:27:33 EST From: FVersch@aol.com Subject: Re: Endgame at Blockbusters Good news here too in Colchester, CT. Almost every copy was sold out and the clerks say its been doing well ~~ Fred FVersch@AOL.COm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:39:58 -0800 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... On 24 Feb 01, at 17:38, jjswbt@earthlink.net wrote: > >Since, IIRC, Wendy was one who was in the middle of this particular > >debate, I think she will find it interesting that... > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > >S > >F > >O > >R > >E > >N > >D > >G > >A > >M > >E > >B > >E > >L > >O > >W > >/ > >/ > And..as has been noted..who the hell blotted out the JVC sign? Is > that the best work they could do? Did you watch the "visual effects progression" thing on the DVD yet? It sounds like they did it intentionally. The two editors and the visual effects person hated the thing. I don't think it was a matter of legal clearance. That was an interesting little segment. It does sound like they were totally pushed to the limit because of the movie being pushed up a month or more. (My brother is still working on a Miramax movie with March 9 release date.) Lynn Loschin Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin ICQ#: 308138 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:55:51 -0500 From: Carrie Key <reeana1@home.com> Subject: Re: Endgame at Blockbusters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Bentley" <patb@hawaii.rr.com> > Hi gang, > > Well, good news is that Mark and I went to a couple Blockbusters (in > Honolulu) to try to rent Endgame. Every copy was out. So it seems that it > will be picking up good numbers from a video audience. I was also pleased > to see that it is the Producer's cut and am looking forward to seeing it for > myself. Thanks to all who have been posting spoilers about the differences. > > Patter It's that way here in Charleston, SC as well. I finally nabbed one of the copies that had just come in:). But I finally got to see it! Yes! *Drool* They had like a whole section for just Endgame with the VHS and they were all gone and they had like five DVDs and they were gone as well. I overheard one of the employees say that they can't keep it on the shelf! I love it! --- Carrie Key ** reeana1@home.com ** ** http://www.angelfire.com/me2/reeana ** ** http://members.home.net/olwasasdc/OLWASA.htm ** Lady Reeana, Ana Vatazes, Javina Jinn, PWFC, Jedi Council Clan of the Eternally Clueless "Tas,You doorknob!"- Flint Fireforge,DragonLance "Dogs believe they are human. Cats believe they are God." - Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:49:59 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Endgame at Blockbusters Pat-- > Well, good news is that Mark and I went to a couple Blockbusters (in > Honolulu) to try to rent Endgame. Every copy was out. So it seems that it > will be picking up good numbers from a video audience. Another reason to come to Maui. The Kahului Blockbusters had 33 copies of HL:EG VHS on the shelf last Tuesday (which makes for an impressive display; I was stunned). I was the 1st to rent one, & every time I've looked since, the display is totally untouched w/ all copies dutifully waiting. We've been having glorious weather, though--everyone's at the beach. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:58:01 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... > > >S > > >P > > >O > > >I > > >L > > >E > > >R > > >S > > >F > > >O > > >R > > >E > > >N > > >D > > >G > > >A > > >M > > >E > > >B > > >E > > >L > > >O > > >W > > >/ > > >/ Wendy-- > > And..as has been noted..who the hell blotted out the JVC sign? Is > > that the best work they could do? Lynn-- > Did you watch the "visual effects progression" thing on the DVD > yet? > It sounds like they did it intentionally. The two editors and the visual > effects person hated the thing. I don't think it was a matter of legal > clearance. You're saying, real live _editors_ (as in--not caterers, not Davis or Panzer, & not a toddler playing w/ markers) did it that way on purpose? Created the grey blob? Because _they_ didn't like the sign? So, this was an honest to God decision _editors_ made all on their very own? Resulting in something silly & blatant that makes Connor's ultimate Highlander scene a big joke? Lynn-- >(My brother is still working on a Miramax movie with March 9 >release date.) So, what does your brother think of the blob, professionally speaking? And of the duplicated sequence in the final fight scene? Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:26:39 +1100 From: tunnack <tunnack@ozemail.com.au> Subject: HLDU Auction #8 Hi everyone Yep - it's that time again :-)0 With only 6 weeks left until HLDU4 we are still in flat out fund raising mode.... HLDU Auction #8 is up and running at: http://carmel.simplenet.com/auc8-00.htm Drop by and have a look.... Kind regards @ Carmel Macpherson: <<<@{}=================>>> Chief EDFWs @ carmel@hldu.org http://carmel.simplenet.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Highlander DownUnder: An Official HL Fan Club. http://www.hldu.org ***HLDU4: Apr 6-8, 2001. Brisbane*** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:45:28 -0500 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: ADMIN: Moving day Several months ago I announced that I was going to move to Texas in a couple of months. Several events and circumstances conspired to delay me but I'm finally moving. My computer will be going offline in a couple of days (so I can pack it) and I won't be back online until March 3rd or 4th. My service provider will be making sure that I don't lose any email so I'll be able to catch up when I get back on line. My email address <ddoug@catrio.org> will NOT change. I set up the domain catrio.org last May so that I would have a permanent email address. The MediaOne address that the bi-monthly posts are sent from will be terminated when my system is disconnected from my ISP. In fact any '@mediaone.net' address that you might have for me will be terminated that day. By now you are all wondering if I will be leaving anyone in charge during my absence. <g> Yes, I will. Wendy Tillis <jjswbt@earthlink.net> has graciously offered to watch over the list. She will not be watching the bounce error messages and if you need to delete your subscription from an account you no longer have access to just send me email and I'll take care of it when I get back. -Debbie Douglass (LIST OWNER) -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:57:09 -0500 From: Melissa Breedlove <mab@ucar.edu> Subject: Endgame Question - Spoilers 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 I have a question. On the Producers Cut on the DVD. Connor delivers a Christmas tree to a church and the priest says that a tree has been coming every year since either 1787 or 1887 (I think that is the correct years). What is the significance of the tree?? Who do you suppose delivered it during the years Connor was in Sancutary?? How did Duncan know to to continue to deliver it?? I guess it is not really important just curious. Melissa Breedlove ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:13:21 -0500 From: "Terry L. Howard" <howardtl@muohio.edu> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Moving day Debbie, Good luck with the move. . >Yes, I will. Wendy Tillis <jjswbt@earthlink.net> has graciously >offered to watch over the list. Hope you aren't leaving your whip with Wendy.( Now that's a scarey thought.) Terry L. Howard MCIS Network Operation Center 112 Hoyt Hall "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - movie mogul Samuel Goldwyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:39:10 -0500 From: virginia foster <vfoster@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Moving day At 12:13 PM 02/25/01 -0500, you wrote: >Debbie, >Good luck with the move. > ditto! >>Yes, I will. Wendy Tillis <jjswbt@earthlink.net> has graciously >>offered to watch over the list. > >Hope you aren't leaving your whip with Wendy.( Now that's a scarey thought.) > Wendy doesn't need a whip. She has ferrets. :-) virginia vfoster@mindspring.com *@*@* http://www.mindspring.com/~vfoster/va.html "Susan Dey and David Cassidy - simultaneously - from the Partridge Family." Michael Stipe on his first celebrity crush (from Entertainment Weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:53:59 -0500 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... At 08:48 PM 02/24/01, jjswbt@earthlink.net wrote: > >> >S > >> >P > >> >O > >> >I > >> >L > >> >E > >> >R > >> >S > >> >F > >> >O > >> >R > >> >E > >> >N > >> >D > >> >G > >> >A > >> >M > >> >E > >> >B > >> >E > >> >L > >> >O > >> >W > >> >/ > >> >/ > > >re: Methos' HG line being cut: > >> That was a nice change. Now it just appears that all the Immortals > >involved in Sanctuary were incredibly stupid and/or suicidal. That's > life <eg> Yeah... that whole sanctuary thing couldn't work either way. If it's HG, then the follow-up (or lack thereof) to the killings wasn't appropriate. If it's not HG, then why have sanctuary in the first place? It's a plot that doesn't work either way. -- Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:10:42 -0800 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... On 24 Feb 01, at 22:58, Geiger wrote: > > > >S > > > >P > > > >O > > > >I > > > >L > > > >E > > > >R > > > >S > > > >F > > > >O > > > >R > > > >E > > > >N > > > >D > > > >G > > > >A > > > >M > > > >E > > > >B > > > >E > > > >L > > > >O > > > >W > > > >/ > > > >/ > > Wendy-- > > > And..as has been noted..who the hell blotted out the JVC sign? Is > > > that the best work they could do? > > Lynn-- > > Did you watch the "visual effects progression" thing on the DVD > > yet? > > It sounds like they did it intentionally. The two editors and the visual > > effects person hated the thing. I don't think it was a matter of legal > > clearance. > > You're saying, real live _editors_ (as in--not caterers, not Davis or > Panzer, & not a toddler playing w/ markers) did it that way on purpose? No, that's not what I'm saying (surprise, surprise). I don't know for certain who was making *final* decisions on the DVD -- do you? I would be very surprised, however, if it was anyone other than Bill Panzer and Peter Davis, particularly since this is labelled as a producer's cut. What I am saying is that the two editors in that segment and the visual effects supervisor (who is not an editor and has a totally different job) didn't like the sign and had a voice in changing it. That doesn't mean the decision was theirs and theirs alone. Again, it's that whole "collaborative process" thing you seem to be having trouble with. > Lynn-- > >(My brother is still working on a Miramax movie with March 9 > >release date.) > > So, what does your brother think of the blob, professionally speaking? And > of the duplicated sequence in the final fight scene? Considering that he's working about 14 hours a day, he obviously hasn't had the chance to see it. And since you don't think editors are anything but technical flunkies anyway, why would you care what his opinion is? But perhaps once's he's done with this movie, he can suggest some books for people without any knowledge of film production whatsoever about the post-production process, so that you could learn for yourself what it is that editors do, and perhaps also learn to distinguish between a visual effects artist and an editor. But then again, it's easier to make broad, sweeping statements about who did what without actually having a clue as to what the realities involved, so why bother taking the time to learn something? Lynn Lynn Loschin Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin ICQ#: 308138 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:39:12 -0500 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... >> >S >> >P >> >O >> >I >> >L >> >E >> >R >> >S >> >F >> >O >> >R >> >E >> >N >> >D >> >G >> >A >> >M >> >E >> >B >> >E >> >L >> >O >> >W >> >/ >> >/ I said: >> And..as has been noted..who the hell blotted out the JVC sign? Is >> that the best work they could do? Lynn says: >Did you watch the "visual effects progression" thing on the DVD >yet? Time..I need time!! >It sounds like they did it intentionally. The two editors and the visual >effects person hated the thing. I don't think it was a matter of legal >clearance. I *knew* it was intentional (no one could make that kind of mess by mistake!) ...the question was one of technique. Did they (whomever "they" was) have to do such a bad job of it? It's as if someone associated with the film decided they hated Adrian's butt and decided to "fix" it by drawing a tattoo on it freehand with magic marker on the master print. If the sign offended them so much, couldn't it be removed in such a way that it didn't detract from the scene? I mean, with all the computer generated effects available today...was creating a "smudge" where the JVC sign was the only option? Wendy(Money.)(I'm sure the answer is money.) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:02:04 -0800 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: EG SPOILER: One for Wendy... On 25 Feb 01, at 14:39, jjswbt@earthlink.net wrote: > >> >S > >> >P > >> >O > >> >I > >> >L > >> >E > >> >R > >> >S > >> >F > >> >O > >> >R > >> >E > >> >N > >> >D > >> >G > >> >A > >> >M > >> >E > >> >B > >> >E > >> >L > >> >O > >> >W > >> >/ > >> >/ > > I *knew* it was intentional (no one could make that kind of mess by mistake!) ...the question was one of technique. Did they (whomever "they" was) have to do such a bad job of it? Well, yeah, sorry -- I meant, choice to do it as opposed to no choice except to do it because of a clearance problem. > I mean, with all the computer generated effects available >today...was creating a "smudge" where the JVC sign was the only >option? >Wendy(Money.)(I'm sure the answer is money.) Exactly. I'm sure it could have done better if they had unlimited time and resources. Just given the whole nature of things Highlander, I doubt they had either. I did think the color timing in the grave scene was improved from the release version. It's funny that if you watch the visual effects thing, they show you the original shot they had for the background, which actually *is* of the Highlands, but looks like the Alps :) Lynn Loschin Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin ICQ#: 308138 ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 24 Feb 2001 to 25 Feb 2001 (#2001-80) **************************************************************