HIGHLA-L Digest - 22 Feb 2001 to 23 Feb 2001 (#2001-78)
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There are 7 messages totalling 462 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. is it spoilers ?
2. Jim Byrnes second-hand sighting
3. Carl Marotte sighting
4. Question for Lynn--HL:EG SPOILERS (2)
5. HL:EG SPOILERS--Producers' Cut musings
6. SPOILERS (removed)--Producers' Cut musings
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:21:58 -0500
From: Johanne Briere <jojoann@videotron.ca>
Subject: is it spoilers ?
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So now , listening so much to the fans they have ... so they must have
heard me .... the movie now begins in French :) cute .... but still I
wanted to speak French when in Paris , when Tessa and Duncan were in bed
together .... not when Duncan and Connor meet in New York City ...
Cheap Duncan ! so cheap you are - what are two dollars after all,
And the DVD is not in store here - must be because the english version is
now 1 hour 41 and the french is still showing at 1 hour 29 [ be tought to
get the dubbing or subtitling in French if it was not redone for it ] ....
I guess they did not listen to me after all,
Must be - the euros backward !
Johanne - y'en a qui vont catcher que chu sarcastique surement ! d' autres
pas, sans aucune surprise
jojoann@videotron.ca
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:21:22 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Jim Byrnes second-hand sighting
Jim Byrnes performed at the recent Folk Alliance folk festival in
Vancouver that ended Monday. My friend who saw him there said that he
looked -very- good and is quite the snazzy dresser these days. And, as
usual, his performances were excellent, whether he was playing lead or
playing backup.
-Debbie
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:43:27 -0500
From: Johanne Briere <jojoann@videotron.ca>
Subject: Carl Marotte sighting
Carl Marotte, who guest starred and danced on The Raven , with Amanda - she
died in his arm in the flashback when he was young, they were still friends
when he was old and had lost his son, has a recurrent role on >Fortier< - a
prime drama now in its second season on TVA. He plays a lawyer. Carl
Marotte is Franco-Ontario (French speaking person from Ontario - Ontario
being a province in Canada) ( I believe Carl and Keanu Reeves shared
theatre stage at some point in their career, unless I am mistaken).
On Flash tonigh, on TQS, I learned that they are now filming > Lance et
Compte, la nouvelle generation < which will air on TQS in the spring on
2002. >Lance et Compte < was a three season serie in the late 80, early 90
and changed Quebec television for the best. Carl had the lead role in that
serie - which then was turn into film of the week for a while (one of which
had Roy Dupuis of Nikita guest-starring). The ominous CBC in its effort to
promote Quebec television in Canada had Lance et Compte dubbed as >He shoot
, he scores< and edited it as well, removing all scene of love, or sex !
So Carl is now back in Montreal for good.
Johanne
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:49:44 -0800
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Question for Lynn--HL:EG SPOILERS
On 22 Feb 01, at 16:01, Geiger wrote:
> [Lynn removed the spoiler spaces, so....]
For the rather self-evident reason that there are no spoilers below...
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> me before--
> > > they are supposed to be the technical people competently carrying
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> Lynn--
> > This is probably the most inaccurate description of the editor's job
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> Lynn, you keep saying that the editors don't make the decisions, they don't
> have any real say in what stays in the movie & what goes out, they don't
> make the final cut, etc.
Actually, all I said was that they don't have final cut. I never said
anything that could vaguely be interpreted as stating that editors are
merely technicians or have no say as to what goes in the movie.
They don't have *final* say. There is a rather enormous gap
between being mere technicians and having the final word.
Lynn Loschin
Mailto: lloschin@sprynet.com
Web: http://home.sprynet.com/~lloschin
ICQ#: 308138
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:18:48 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Question for Lynn--HL:EG SPOILERS
There are minor spoilers below. Trust me.
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> > Lynn, you keep saying that the editors don't make the decisions, they
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> > have any real say in what stays in the movie & what goes out, they don't
> > make the final cut, etc. Fine. But now, in rather odious fashion, you
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> >they also aren't technicians who carry out others' instructions as to how
> >the movie is edited. So, editors aren't in charge, & they aren't taking
> >instructions from others? OK.... Guess the damn movie just hatched or
> >something. Honestly, how many different ways do you insist on having
this?
Lynn--
> Actually, all I said was that they don't have final cut. SNIP
> They don't have *final* say. There is a rather enormous gap
> between being mere technicians and having the final word.
Enough of a gap to hide in & avoid all responsibility, apparently, for those
so inclined.
How about the duplicate footage used in the final fight in the producers'
cut? There's no clear reason for it; it isn't required by the action or
lack of other footage. It's pretty obvious on a first viewing, if only
because in it DM whacks a post w/ uncharacteristic clumsiness. He & Kell
are fighting on what passes for ground level, flailing away, w/ DM whacking
the white post. Then, they go up on a catwalk, Kell makes his sword spark
on the railing, DM's katana goes over the side, & he falls after it. Down
on the floor again, the flailing-away/whack-the-post footage is reused. In
your expert opinion, was that an error (that somehow escaped all the
professional eyes involved despite being so obvious) or an intentional
decision by they who shall remain unnamed?
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:40:37 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: HL:EG SPOILERS--Producers' Cut musings
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Time--
1st off--anyone know why the video I rented from Blockbusters says 140
minutes on the tape label, yet it runs just ~ 100 minutes? I'd gotten my
hopes up for a bonus. The video cover box touted 12 minutes of extra
footage, which when added to the 89 minutes of the theater release is about
right.
Joe's big bang--
It doesn't work for me & should have been left on the cutting room floor. I
have no problem w/ Joe blasting the unnamed Watcher (Matthew Hale per the
credits); he was scum, he probably would have shot Joe, & in the series Joe
showed a proclivity for whipping out his gun & using it. What I don't get
is _why_ the Watcher was (apparently) getting ready to shoot DM during the
final fight. Why not wait to see if maybe DM could whack Kell, thus handily
solving the Watchers' big problem? If DM was shot then, surely Kell would
(as far as the Watcher could figure it) whack him & so get his Quickening
anyway & be even stronger. If the Watcher was worried about DM knowing of
Sanctuary & having escaped their clutches, then why not just capture him
again & so have their insurance against the Prize? Why would the Watcher
want to shoot DM here?
Other people talking--
At least twice, they used someone other than AP to speak DM's lines, & it
shows. In the 1st scene (the new one w/ CM & DM walking & talking in NYC),
it wasn't AP's voice saying "Are you sure you're going to be all right,
Connor?" (And I don't think it was CL's voice answering--"Of course.")
And, in the new final scene, it wasn't AP's voice, either. Strikes me as
way cheap & tacky.
Music--
The music was one of the few things the theater release got completely
right. The video version of the producers' cut that I rented had very poor
sound, especially noticeable in distorting the music. Some parts were
painfully bad, & several were distracting.
Holy Ground--
Methos no longer says Sanctuary is on HG. So, we're left w/ the joint
_looking_ like HG & the fact that common sense says it _should_ be on HG for
simple & basic protection vs. evil Immies. But, apparently it wasn't, so
that silliness in the theater release went the way of Zeist, & the HG Rule
is officially resurrected. (Fanfic writers take note.)
Slow-healing Immies--
DM's knuckles are still scabbed over in his very 1st scene (the AM kata).
(Guess putting little gray blobs over them wasn't worthwhile.) And in the
final fight, he takes time to tie up his not-noticeably injured leg (it
wasn't hanging loose or anything, just apparently cut). Isn't that odd for
a quick-healing Immie?
The cruelest cut that wasn't--
Why in the world didn't they snip the minion's line in the loft about having
told DM he was gonna cut him, if they weren't going to insert the
referred-to line? As is, it's a tiny goof but an annoying one, especially
since it was so easy to fix, compared to other make-over work they did here.
For that matter, did _no one_ mention to TPTB that, later in the loft,
Carlos' loose head w/ the dopey expression was 2 seconds they could snip &
improve things mightily?
Cemetery humor--
Another line from Methos & Joe should be welcome, but what they added in the
cemetery scene was odd. Dig w/ _what_?
The blob--
Sorry, but it just strikes me as funny! Is that really the best that
professionals could do to cover up the JVC sign? Plus, it's visible at the
very start of the scene, before the blob suddenly steals the scene. And why
did the sign need covering here, anyway? I've read that it's because
someone didn't pay for the advertising rights. That sounds like something
DPP would screw up, but surely _JVC_ paid to have their logo shown in the
movie so prominently. If JVC didn't pony up for the video/DVD release (&
why wouldn't they be contracted to do so, unless they had an out in case the
film was a dog?), then TPTB should have either let it go as is w/o payment
or found a better way to delete the sign. What am I missing here? Anyway,
this looks silly & detracts from Connor's farewell.
Last Supper--
We _still_ don't see what happened to Manny. (Maybe he just ducked under
the table & sat there munching a loaf of bread during the slaughter &
Quickenings.) I'm sorry they didn't use the version where Jin Ke takes his
own head by running into his wall-mounted sword; it would have worked for
the character & also been stylishly different.
It's so good, use it twice, they won't notice--
The final fight is much longer in this version, & they clear up oddities of
the theater version like DM's disappearing coat & the sudden transition from
sub-basement to high above the city. Still, there's no explanation for how
a cathedral suddenly becomes a power plant. Also, in this version there's
an obvious sequence (where DM whacks the white post on floor level) that's
used _twice_, before Kell makes all the pretty sparks on the parapet railing
w/ his sword, & again after DM falls while catching his falling katana.
Does no one _look_ at the supposedly final cut before sending it out?
That damn morphing--
It was bad enough in the theater release, & I think what is here is slightly
shorter, but somehow it's worse. Didn't DM's lips move w/ CL's voice in the
theater release? Here, they don't, & it's just appallingly bad. At least,
they cut the Zeist star after the Quickening.
Bad matte--
_Anything_ would have been a better background in the Highlands tombstone
scene.
DM's tongue-tied--
I don't care for Faith/Kate & was fine w/ her being permanently shorter.
But, that aside, the final scene is limp. The hero comes across as a total
zero--goofy (well, as goofy as DM/AP could ever be), moronic & tongue-tied.
Kate/Faith owns this scene--the last thing we see before the credits. The
reason DM says almost nothing in what's supposed to be a tender & climactic
scene on a personal level apparently is that they lacked usable footage w/
AP's voice; the little DM said here was spoken by someone else & not well.
But, it just doesn't work for the characters or for the movie, which thus
ends on a very odd & weak note.
If anyone has a glimmer of hope for there being an HL5, then surely Methos &
Joe would figure in it. So, they should have shown up for the ending of
this movie, as support for their pal, the newly-crowned TCBOO Highlander,
DM.
This is better than the theater version, in that it flows more smoothly &
fills in a few more details. Plus, they corrected some of the goofs
(including the HG mess, sort of). They didn't get nearly all, though, &
they created some new ones. The film is still marred by those goofs, dizzy
editing, lack of meaningful dialogue, a laughable & incomprehensible
villain, shallow characters & a scattered plot. Highlander & AP deserved
better. So did the fans.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:14:52 -0400
From: Rebecca Wallace <becky717@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS (removed)--Producers' Cut musings
I don't think this is a spoiler (nothing about the plot or whatever), but to be
safe...
Geiger wrote:
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> The music was one of the few things the theater release got completely
> right. The video version of the producers' cut that I rented had very poor
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We have our vcr's (hi-fi) and tv hooked up through our stereo... normally I
don't watch stuff (tv or videos) with
the stereo but hubby likes to listen to the loud booms, etc., in action-type
stuff, so I usually just deal with it...
anyway, when I first put the tape in, I just had the sound playing through the
tv, and felt like the music and voices
were muddled, so we switched it over to hi-fi and into the stereo, and it made
a *big* difference... the sound was *way* better.
-Becky
"Mandarin is the new black, Bob... trust me." Faith, Endgame
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