HIGHLA-L Digest - 16 Mar 2006 to 17 Mar 2006 (#2006-60)
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Topics of the day:
1. Highlander DVD sets - which to get? (5)
2. Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions (8)
3. HLWW, Carmel and Cons... (4)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:02:57 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <zankt@ukzn.ac.za>
Subject: Highlander DVD sets - which to get?
I know this has been asked before but please don't whap me for asking
again, as I can probably only just start affording the HL DVD sets.
Which are the best to get? I've been looking around, and the most
common are the Anchor Bay sets, with 9 discs. There are some really good
prices for these on e-Bay and Amazon at the moment, so I may decide to
splurge. Postage ends up costing me quite a bit, so I've had to wait for
the prices to come down.
Oh, and if you had any problems with any particular set (eg Anchor
Bay/HL store) please let me know, and what season it was. I'm not trying
to start a complaints list for the HL store, as I've seen all the moans
about them before, just tell me about the DVD's please!
THanks!
TarrynZ
(*waves at Marina - I saw my first 'Smallville episode recently, simply
because it had PW in it & while I won't be watching again, I can see
where the C/L stuff comes from)
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:59:53 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander DVD sets - which to get?
Tarryn asks:
> Which are the best to get?
I think "best" is subjective. I have some of the 9-disk sets and some of
the 8-disk sets. For *me* the extra material on the special 9th disk
isn't that important. If the 8-disk set was cheaper, that's what I would
buy. You might want the 10 or 20 minutes of "new" interviews and
therefore you might want the 9-disk sets.
> Oh, and if you had any problems with any particular set (eg
> Anchor Bay/HL store) please let me know,
I myself have had no problems with any of the sets from either source.
(Not *the* Source <eg>)
> I saw my first 'Smallville episode
> recently, simply because it had PW in it & while I won't be
> watching again, I can see where the C/L stuff comes from)
Tell me that C/L doesn't mean Chloe/Lana <G> .
Wendy(Or is that Clark/Lex?)(If Marina is involved I *know* it isn't
Clark/Lana!)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:03:26 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Highlander DVD sets - which to get?
>(If Marina is involved I *know* it isn't Clark/Lana!)
Moi? *Bats eyelashes innocently*
- Marina. (Clark/Lana? Pardon me while I get a barf bag.)
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thousand percent. I mean, if you went up there and opened those
windows and told me that you could fly, I'd back you up. I'd miss
you, but I'd back you up." - Perry White; Lois & Clark.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:09:59 -0500
From: Gregory Mate <gmate@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander DVD sets - which to get?
Tarryn Zank <zankt@ukzn.ac.za> ponders:
>I know this has been asked before but please don't whap me for asking again, as I
>can probably only just start affording the HL DVD sets.
>Which are the best to get?
Depending what was available at the time in Canada, I have purchased both the 8 and 9 disc sets (only 1 set per season...I'm not THAT much of a collector). For me, the extras on disc 9 were really not that engaging. I would rather save $10-15 on a set without the 9th disc, since the unedited (i.e. with Eurominutes) episodes are main reason I purchased the sets in the first place.
I don't know about the packaging elsewhere, but I was really not impressed with the packaging for seasons 5, 6, and Raven. The discs are packaged so that one is placed at the top half of the box, and the other at the bottom, but the top half of the bottom disc overlaps the bottom half of the top disc (if that makes sense). Each disc has its own hole, but taking them out without breakage can be tricky. It makes the overall package narrower, so shipping costs are reduced and more units can be placed on the store shelf, but in my opinion the chance of cracking a disc upon removal is greatly increased.
As an aside, I opted for a CD wallet. The one I use is a bit larger than a DVD case (and considerably thicker) but it holds all 6 seasons, Raven, and the movies, sans annoying packaging.
....Greg....
gmate@rogers.com
"A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and said, 'Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?' I said, 'I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too.'" - bash.org
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:28:02 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander DVD sets - which to get?
There was a pretty long thread here back in January about widespread
technical problems w/ the DVD sets, apparently the ones bought from the HL
Store. (gasp!)
Below is part of the discussion I kept.
Nina (I got my HL sets from Best Buy, w/ the extras) (haven't had the time
to watch most of them yet) (more interesting & totally new stuff keeps
coming to my attention) (& there's really quite a bit of decent TV currently
airing these days)
mac.westie@verizon.net
On 1/27/06, Helva Peters <HelvaP@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Greetings -
>
> Is anybody having Technical Difficulties with any of the HIGHLANDER DVDs?
>
> Specifically, I can no longer access the third episode on any of my Season
> I disks. I got them from the HIGHLANDER STORE when they first came out,
> but I am reluctant to ask questions there due to unpleasant experiences --
> my own and others'. I am also reluctant to simply replace them from the
> same source for fear of repeating the defect.
Yes. I just threw mine away since it was almost 2 years since I bought
them and finally watched them so I didn't figure the HL store would do
anything and I wasn't about to call them and have them put me on their
call list again after finally getting off of it. But all the disks had
problems from the very beginning, no matter which DVD player I used. I
then bought the Anchor Bay sets. They're $55 from deepdiscountdvd.com
and they do have 20% off sales about twice a year. I haven't had
problems with those. I don't know how much they are elsewhere. Maybe
you can find a better deal, or check ebay.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:40:52 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
> Peter says he's driving a left-hand drive car, which he isn't
> licensed to drive, and is used to driving in England, where the cars are
> right-handed, and Jim is carrying what appears to be a real gun in his
> lap. If they had been pulled over, they would have been in real trouble.
Huh?
There's no special license for a left-hand drive car. A British driving
license works fine in France, and Canada and the USA - and in
all of those the cars you can hire (rent?) are left-hand drive. I've
driven them myself.
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:56:12 +0200
From: TMar <tmar@polka.co.za>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
I have to say, I really like this episode - have always liked it, AAMOF.
I agree
with Peter that they could have made a show out of it (yes, Wendy, I
know you
disagree, let's not rehash that - unless you feel like it, but I really
don't).
It has so many little touches that they could not do with Adrian around,
simply
because with Duncan we needed major plots and action.
I love Methos comparing the two of them to Mulder and Scully. So cute. (I
actually prefer Doggett to Mulder, so all those X-Philes are probably
sending
missiles my way now...)
This makes me want to go dig out my tapes of the sixth season and watch that
one. Maybe even the one with Alexis Denisof, too. :)
- Marina.
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// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
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"People think I'm polite when really I'm comparing them to gorillas
in my head." - Ginger
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:07:02 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
me before--
>> But, back to you. And your "No one cares...." So, now that Carmel's
>> gone (again) (supposedly) (I doubt it) (poor sport) (oh, well--she
>> doesn't contribute any discussion here anyway), are YOU the one in charge
>> & speaking for all?
kageorge (who, despite decrying negativism, needs to keep bitching about
me)--
> Not by a long shot, but I have yet to see anyone express any, "You go,
> girl!" support for the anti-everything put-downs, snarkfests, and
> diatribes.
Your premise is flawed.
I'm all for Highlander, providing it is _good_ Highlander. You may remember
it--the kind of stuff that got this list created, inspired folks to join it,
& sparked rousing discussion. I assume it is the increasingly forlorn hope
of MORE such _good_ Highlander that keeps the list going. At its best,
Highlander created heroic yet real characters that invade the psyche,
dialogue that sears into the memory, heart-rending conflict, angst balancing
wit, sex for a reason, fight scenes & katas making one forget to breathe, &
on & on. Few people are more PRO-Highlander than I am, provided it doesn't
suck. Sorry if that makes me picky, but that IS a mandatory thing, for me.
_Bad_ Highlander is an abomination.
Almost everything that has come out about The Source sounds ominous.
Really, it sounds exactly like what was going on w/ Endgame. In particular,
I mean the myriad script versions, the cheap-ass location, all the reported
shooting woes, the cartoonish-sounding (faster-than-the-eye, funny-colored,
& Jabba-the-Hut Immies) & canon-bending (buzz-less Immie) details that came
out at Leeds, & the disclosure that additional filming including a different
ending would be done IF scheduling & money come together in time. Also, AP
was reported to be visibly shocked at the state of the film editing-wise, &
he & PW seemed to disagree w/ David A re: some crucial scenes (as far as
what got filmed vs. what was written). None of this is reassuring or
supports the view that The Source will break HL's downward spiral--the
biggies of which include HLTS season 6, Raven, & Endgame.
Nina (how come none of the Source's new cast members came to Leeds?) (you
know--the people no one had heard of until they were cast in the film) (I
did like some stuff in Endgame) (the music was lovely, as were the
understated tartan-inspired opening credits) (that's about it, though)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:03:12 -0000
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
> Nina (how come none of the Source's new cast members came to Leeds?) (you
> know--the people no one had heard of until they were cast in the film) (I
> did like some stuff in Endgame) (the music was lovely, as were the
> understated tartan-inspired opening credits) (that's about it, though)
> mac.westie@verizon.net
>
Because they're all working. At least one has friends in Leeds, wanted to
come, but couldn't swing the dates. However given the line-up of guests we
DID have and news on the film, the TV series, the anime, the game, etc, I
haven't heard a single nay-sayer yet.
Or rather I ahven't heard a single nay-sayer who actually went.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:37:33 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
Jette Goldie wrote:
> From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
>
>> Peter says he's driving a left-hand drive car, which he isn't
>> licensed to drive, and is used to driving in England, where the cars
>> are right-handed, and Jim is carrying what appears to be a real gun
>> in his lap. If they had been pulled over, they would have been in
>> real trouble.
>
>
> Huh?
>
> There's no special license for a left-hand drive car. A British driving
> license works fine in France, and Canada and the USA - and in all of
> those the cars you can hire (rent?) are left-hand drive. I've
> driven them myself.
I'm just reporting what Peter said.
MacG
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:40:51 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@verizon.net>
> Jette Goldie wrote:
>
>> From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
>>
>>> Peter says he's driving a left-hand drive car, which he isn't
>>> licensed to drive, and is used to driving in England, where the cars
>>> are right-handed, and Jim is carrying what appears to be a real gun
>>> in his lap. If they had been pulled over, they would have been in
>>> real trouble.
>>
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> There's no special license for a left-hand drive car. A British driving
>> license works fine in France, and Canada and the USA - and in all of
>> those the cars you can hire (rent?) are left-hand drive. I've
>> driven them myself.
>
> I'm just reporting what Peter said.
And I'm just wondering how much Peter had been drinking when he
recorded that segment.
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:55:12 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
Jette Goldie wrote:
> From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@verizon.net>
>
>> Jette Goldie wrote:
>>
>>> From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
>>>
>>>> Peter says he's driving a left-hand drive car, which he isn't
>>>> licensed to drive, and is used to driving in England, where the
>>>> cars are right-handed, and Jim is carrying what appears to be a
>>>> real gun in his lap. If they had been pulled over, they would have
>>>> been in real trouble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> There's no special license for a left-hand drive car. A British
>>> driving
>>> license works fine in France, and Canada and the USA - and in all of
>>> those the cars you can hire (rent?) are left-hand drive. I've
>>> driven them myself.
>>
>>
>> I'm just reporting what Peter said.
>
>
>
> And I'm just wondering how much Peter had been drinking when he
> recorded that segment.
Ah. It wouldn't surprise me that he was just elaborating on the story
in an attempt to make it more amusing.
MacG
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:08:12 -0000
From: John Mosby - Laptop <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
I'm guessing that insurance for filming has clauses which indicate whether
an actor is experienced enough to drive. I can legally drive in any country,
but not sure I'd want to be driving in LA. :)
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@verizon.net>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
> Jette Goldie wrote:
>
>> From: "kageorge" <kageorge1@VERIZON.NET>
>>
>>> Peter says he's driving a left-hand drive car, which he isn't licensed
>>> to drive, and is used to driving in England, where the cars are
>>> right-handed, and Jim is carrying what appears to be a real gun in his
>>> lap. If they had been pulled over, they would have been in real
>>> trouble.
>>
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> There's no special license for a left-hand drive car. A British driving
>> license works fine in France, and Canada and the USA - and in all of
>> those the cars you can hire (rent?) are left-hand drive. I've
>> driven them myself.
>
> I'm just reporting what Peter said.
>
> MacG
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:15:05 -0000
From: ElaineN <Elainen@inguz.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
>>I'm guessing that insurance for filming has clauses which indicate
whether
an actor is experienced enough to drive. I can legally drive in any
country,
but not sure I'd want to be driving in LA. :)<<
Well they have all sorts of clauses about all sorts of things.
One thing I do know is that Peter is an excellent driver, and there is
another of Elaine's funny stories involving Highlander people and cars.
:-)
Elaine.
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:17:22 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Season Six DVDs - Indiscretions
From: "John Mosby - Laptop" <a.j.mosby@BTINTERNET.COM>
> I'm guessing that insurance for filming has clauses which indicate
> whether an actor is experienced enough to drive. I can legally drive in
> any country, but not sure I'd want to be driving in LA. :)
>
Having driven in Florida and been driven around in LA, I think I'd
prefer to drive in LA. (I hadn't taken my driving test when I was
last in LA, or I could properly compare)
But Vancouver downtown is pretty scary too!
(and I will NOT NOT NOT drive in Paris!!)
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:36:09 -0500
From: kageorge <kageorge1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
MacWestie wrote:
> me before--
>
>>> But, back to you. And your "No one cares...." So, now that
>>> Carmel's gone (again) (supposedly) (I doubt it) (poor sport) (oh,
>>> well--she doesn't contribute any discussion here anyway), are YOU
>>> the one in charge & speaking for all?
>>
>
> kageorge (who, despite decrying negativism, needs to keep bitching
> about me)--
>
>> Not by a long shot, but I have yet to see anyone express any, "You
>> go, girl!" support for the anti-everything put-downs, snarkfests, and
>> diatribes.
>
>
> Your premise is flawed.
Perhaps it is. It wouldn't be the first time. I am just as capable of
error as any other member of the human race.
My main problem isn't your view that good HL is preferred to bad HL.
That's a view shared by almost everyone, although your opinion of good
vs. bad may differ considerably from others' views.
My problem is really with a well-established pattern by some posters of
vicious denigration of anything and everything related to HL activities
and those who promote them or enjoy them. That's not conversation,
that's just pointless diatribe.
While I did wrongly attribute an earlier post to you, what was written
(by Windy Wendy), was:
"I have no issue with Carmel. She took hold of a fandom and has found a
way to make it pay. Bravo to her. Sincerely. I mean it. She had the
foresight to see that the future of HL was in convention staging and she
put herself in a position to do the job. Someone besides DDP should be
making a living off of HL fans, why not Carmel?"
It seems that, whether they are HL cons organized by Carmel under the
auspices of HLWW or John's publications or simply people who are (in
someone's opinion) naively enthusiastic about HL in general, there is
this irrisistable drive to to say something sarcastically nasty,
including negative implications (or inferences) about their motives,
their intelligence, etc. In my opinion, those who can't seem to post
anything but sarcasm, insult and diatribe become painfully predictable
and just plain boring. Normally, such posts are easy to ignore.
However, when it is implied (or inferred) that Carmel is doing the HL
cons for personal profit, which is absolutely contrary to the truth,
John (or I) feel that such implication (or inference) should not go
unchallenged. Which we did, and I would hope the subject is done with
since I've said everything I have to say about it.
MacG
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:52:24 -0500
From: Wendy <Immortals_Incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: HLWW, Carmel and Cons...
I thought we were trying to move past this?
McG (with whom I was having a lovely HL-related discussion only
yesterday):
> While I did wrongly attribute an earlier post to you, what
> was written (by Windy Wendy), was:
One is moved to ask why name-calling is acceptable when lobbed in my
direction? I have not felt the need to use anything other than people's
real names (or long-established nicknames). Had *I* called anyone
ill-tempered, mean-spirited, windy, libelous, slanderous, sarcastic,
toxic or a lawn-sprinkling troll, there would have been a hue and cry.
McG:
> However, when it is implied (or inferred) that Carmel is
> doing the HL cons for personal profit, which is absolutely
> contrary to the truth, John (or I) feel that such implication
> (or inference) should not go unchallenged.
I must continue to wonder why it is assumed that a suggestion that
Carmel (or anyone else) is making a living off HL fandom is considered a
*bad* thing? While some have decided to read ill-will into my earlier
statement, I meant exactly what I said. HL fandom - if defined by those
actively searching out HL events- *would* be dead without Carmel. She
*did* have the foresight and drive to see that people would still pay to
attend HL conventions. She did the leg work required to become the
official fan club. Someone besides DDP *should* make some money off of
HL (since they botch the job so often). Being only peripherally
interested fan conventions, I would have assumed (apparently wrongly)
that those who staged such events ( as opposed to those who "merely"
volunteer) got something out of the job besides satisfaction. I would
have assumed ( apparently wrongly) that their expenses (airplanes,
hotels, etc) were rolled into the expenses of the convention itself. *I*
certainly would not begrudge anyone running a multi-national fanclub a
few dollars to treat herself to a nice dinner as a reward for a job well
done. As I noted before, being non-profit does not mean unpaid.
However, in Carmel's case, apparently it does.
In conclusion, I wish that people would look at what words *say* and not
look for inferences - which may or may not exist.
Wendy (Let it go, Nina.)(Just let it go.)
Fairy Killer and Toxic Lawn Sprinkler Extraordinaire
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
(OK, OK)(I like the imagery of a toxic lawn sprinkling troll)(It
has...poetry to it.)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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