HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Jun 2005 to 9 Jun 2005 (#2005-64)
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Topics of the day:
1. the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT (4)
2. The Whole Nine Yards (4)
3. The Whole Nine Yards
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:20:12 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
>I think that it's perfectly reasonable for someone to have
>fundamental and drastic changes to their personality over the course
>of 5000 years (or more). Did we see any proof of that happening in
>Methos? No.
So, when Methos said, "Times were different. I was different. The whole
bloody world was different," he was telling the truth? :)
>Methos is GREY.
Because he stands between the darkness and the light... Wait, wrong
show. (Which isn't to say PW would look bad with a bone on his head.)
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za===========|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"... Daniel returned to his favorite pastime of getting shot a
lot..." - Alli Snow, reviewing the SG-1 episode 'Avatar'
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:25:26 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
>I think camo green is more apt, really.
There's no denying he looks good in camo green. But then he'd have
to get killed by lake water or blown up by mutants and that SO
doesn't work for me. :)
>Impossible. Kind of like imagining Marina posting here w/o talking about
>me....
Yeah. *That'll* happen. :)
>(also--La Femme Nikita was really all about Michael
Well, I think R2D2 is the hero of the Star Wars movies, so...
Seriously, this list would be dead by now if we (the few of us who
have the stomach for it) didn't keep it alive by sniping at each other
every few months. We seem to have run out of topics, though. I'm bored
with the fanfic and slash debates, and Wendy has convinced me of (most
of) her point of view in the Methos debate... I mean, what's left?
Think, woman, think!!
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za===========|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"... Daniel returned to his favorite pastime of getting shot a
lot..." - Alli Snow, reviewing the SG-1 episode 'Avatar'
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:33:20 -0400
From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
me:
> >I think that it's perfectly reasonable for someone to have
>>fundamental and drastic changes to their personality over the course
>>of 5000 years (or more). Did we see any proof of that happening in
>>Methos? No.
marina:
>So, when Methos said, "Times were different. I was different. The whole
>bloody world was different," he was telling the truth? :)
I think so.
Lisa
--
Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:42:26 -0400
From: "Kathryn L. Zimmerman" <zimmy@highstream.net>
Subject: The Whole Nine Yards
::: cantering in on three-legged "What does 'The Whole Nine Yards'
mean?" :::
Hello, all! My Highlander knowledge has been challenged!
There's a disagreement going on in another universe about the origins
of the "Whole Nine Yards" phrase. I vaguely remember discussion on
this list. Snopes.com says nothing about Scottish origin, and dates
the phrase from the 1950's.
Is there anything definitive about the Scottish origins of the phrase?
ZK (so, how's everybody? The list seems active lately!)
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:12:12 -0400
From: Heidi <heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: the stuff we were talking about...yeah, kinda OT
We really only have about 3500 years of flashback
Since he said it's a blur before 5000 years ago I'd think they could
go that far, but probably wouldn't. The further back you go the
less likely there is for him to meet up with someone from his past
which a standard HL way to launch a flashback. And since `times were
different' there would be less situations in the present that would
lend themselves to launching a flashback. He also told Duncan he
hadn't faced anyone in 200 years, so that would limit how often
they could use recient history. Too many flashbacks without fights
would be odd in the HL realm. I vaguely remember something about
for Raven they didn't go back very far in flashbacks. I expect
they did it in part because using existing locations, sets,
props are cheaper and faster. So having to have most flashback
for a new series be over 200 years ago might be tricky for them.
>wouldn't be believable if he kept meeting up with people
>who knew he was actually Methos and how old he really was.
Something has been bothering me all along and I couldn't quite
place it. That's it!
It's something I had been thinking about since I think his age is
one of the most intersting things about his character. (being rather
interested in ancient history.) It's also a question of what is
there about the character that would make a series about him any
different then any other Immortal.
TPTB might get one season out of it. I mean, HL fans would watch, right?
Some would but they'd need alot more then that. And it's not clear
how many other then the Methos fans would watch. Given what alot of
people thought of Season 6, Raven, and Endgame I'd think alot of
HL fans would be leary of the quality of another series and not
even bother. (you could almost count Queen Of Swords too since
it had some producer/director/writer/actor overlap with HL.)
People have been mentioning Spike, Angel, and Vic on The Shield as
examples of lead characters who aren't really `good guys' but do
good things so it might work for a Methos series. I don't think
that's really the same. Vic is a cop from the start. So even
though his methods may not be those of a `good guy', the premise
is to go after the bad guys. (I've only seen one ep but it seemed
to be a cop show.) For Angel as far as I know from the beginning
he was shown as helping out in going after bad guys. So while he
was later shown to have been bad in the past, they spent time
while he was a secondary character establishing that he was some-
one who would go out of his way to help people. And for Spike they
also spent time while he was secondary to show him changing and
starting to help people. But for Methos, they made it clear he
only helps a few friends and usually has to be talked into it.
So I don't think you can really compare those characters to him
running around as a lead character helping people and have him
still be the Methos we know from HL.
=}{=
(heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu)
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:54:33 -0400
From: Judy Schneider <judyas77@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Whole Nine Yards
ZK writes:
>
>::: cantering in on three-legged "What does 'The Whole Nine Yards'
>mean?" :::
>
>Hello, all! My Highlander knowledge has been challenged!
>
I think that needed a shocking statement alert!
>There's a disagreement going on in another universe about the origins
>of the "Whole Nine Yards" phrase. I vaguely remember discussion on
>this list. Snopes.com says nothing about Scottish origin, and dates
>the phrase from the 1950's.
>
>Is there anything definitive about the Scottish origins of the phrase?
>
I found a lot of possible explanations on the Straight Dope
(http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_252.html). I've always heard the
last explanation about amunition, but Cecil doesn't appear to believe that
one either. 8)
>ZK (so, how's everybody? The list seems active lately!)
I'm getting better, thanks for asking. I've been dealing with some back
problems, but they're much improved. (And I love my therapist!!)
Judy, the Chocolate Slayer judyas77@hotmail.com
"I never met a chocolate I didn't like"--Deanna Troi
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:18:36 +0100
From: ElaineN <Elainen@inguz.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Whole Nine Yards
>>::: cantering in on three-legged "What does 'The Whole Nine Yards'
mean?" :::
Hello, all! My Highlander knowledge has been challenged!
There's a disagreement going on in another universe about the origins
of the "Whole Nine Yards" phrase. I vaguely remember discussion on
this list. Snopes.com says nothing about Scottish origin, and dates
the phrase from the 1950's.
Is there anything definitive about the Scottish origins of the phrase?<<
I remember something about the amount of cloth needed to make kilt,
which is a lot though I am not sure it's nine yards.
I've heard people refer to it having something to do with golf, but
again I'm not certain.
I've no real idea where it originates.
Elaine.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:57:39 -0500
From: Ginny <RED57@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The Whole Nine Yards
ElaineN replied to Zeeeeek, who cantered in on that
quadrupedally-challenged pony:
> >>::: cantering in on three-legged "What does 'The Whole Nine Yards'
> mean?" :::
>
> Hello, all! My Highlander knowledge has been challenged!
>
> There's a disagreement going on in another universe about the origins
> of the "Whole Nine Yards" phrase. I vaguely remember discussion on
> this list. Snopes.com says nothing about Scottish origin, and dates
> the phrase from the 1950's.
>
> Is there anything definitive about the Scottish origins of the phrase?<<
>
> I remember something about the amount of cloth needed to make kilt,
> which is a lot though I am not sure it's nine yards.
>
> I've heard people refer to it having something to do with golf, but
> again I'm not certain.
>
> I've no real idea where it originates.
>
> Elaine.
I thought it was originally a US football reference - a team must
advance the ball 10 yards to achieve a "first down" in what, 4 tries?
All too often, the ball is only advanced a yard or so, and the team must
struggle to go "the whole nine yards."
But the "great kilt" refernce is beguiling too. It could also refer to
the amount of cloth to make a decent sari drape properly.
ginny
http://www.blogula-rasa.com
>
--
Ginny
RED57@aol.com
Fresh out of .sig lines
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 21:19:30 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The Whole Nine Yards
At 08:57 PM 6/9/2005, Ginny wrote:
>But the "great kilt" refernce is beguiling too. It could also refer to
>the amount of cloth to make a decent sari drape properly.
Don't know about that one, Ginny. Nine yards is an *awful* lot of
material. The person would have to be big as a house to need that much.
-- Sandy
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