There are 4 messages totalling 567 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Season Five dvd Commentary: Archangel, pt. 1 of 2 2. Season Five dvd Commentary: Archangel, pt. 2 of 2 3. Adrian Paul, Davis-Panzer and HLWW come together for IMMORTAL AID (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:22:06 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Season Five dvd Commentary: Archangel, pt. 1 of 2 At last, the final episode of the fifth season, just in time for the release of the sixth season. This one is long, so I'm breaking it into two parts. The full commentary with screen captures can be found at: http://www.wordsmiths.net/MacGeorge/episodes/Season5/Archangel.htm COMMENTS: David A. says that it was the end of the fifth season and they were looking for new directions to go and he thought of bringing in Ahriman because “how can you one-up that?” David Tynan adds that one of the problems the writers had was that they were always trying to up the stakes for MacLeod, that fighting another bad Immortal from his past every week would get pretty old after awhile. Jim B. says all the actors knew that this was possibly the last season, the last episode, and that over the years they had evolved relationships both on and off screen. There was a nostalgic sense that these were their last moments as an ensemble. David says he was the one who came up with killing Richie and that, after years of thinking about it, he’d do it again. He alludes to the expense of actors increasing every year, and getting the “bang for the buck,” and that Richie had played out his usefulness. “This isn’t “Batman and Robin”, he says. This was The Highlander, and the show wasn’t about Richie, unless they made it about some kind of love interest, which, “we even thought about at one time, if you read the fanzines, which I didn’t!” AP says Richie was a great character and a great part of the series and he was sad to see him go, but it was a necessary part of the show to have it happen. There is a discussion by several commentators (AP, David T., Jim Byrnes) about the fan reaction to Richie’s death, but they all agreed that it was a necessary event. Stan says he was glad to have left gracefully and didn’t fight to stay. In a weird way, it was good because he was instantly more in demand at conventions. Playing “Evil Richie” was really fun. During the fight scene, he says Adrian was “really on his last leg at the end of the season”, and that Stan had accidentally whacked Adrian in the head and AP got pissed off at him. Stan jokes that there was probably not much acting involved in that final stroke. He also says that, looking back, it was the right thing to do and that after Richie died, the other characters never stopped talking about him, and that he was honored to be asked back to come back for the final two shows. Dennis Berry describes the difficulty of the shot, that it was very hard to do and was a very sad dramatic moment because of all the affection they all had for Stan and the character of Richie. AP says that killing a main character on Highlander was a good one because the idea was that you never knew what was going to happen or who was going to die. He says he had suggested that one of the major characters die, that the show needed a jolt that would allow MacLeod to really grow and change his way of being, that it caused a real metamorphosis of his character, giving him a different perspective on how to live his life. David A. says that they were playing off of MacLeod’s guilt, that for a lot of people who view themselves as heroes it becomes their job to save the innocent and because of that they aren’t allowed to grow and become whatever else they might be. What they really wanted to do with the sixth season was to set it in a dark, future post-apocalyptic place where Methos and Joe ask Duncan to come back and save the world, and in so doing find redemption for killing Richie. The producers told them there wasn’t a marketplace for such a dark series, and David A. concedes that they were right. It would have been fun to write and fun to act, but the “people in Peoria” wouldn’t have been interested in it, and that it was important to be reminded that in the end, “What you’re doing here is selling Cherios.” Gillian says the end of season five would have been different if Richie hadn’t died. It would have been Duncan and Richie side by side facing whatever came, but that would have meant the return to “kicking the butt of guys whose butts needed kicking” and backing off the deeper thread they had been following - that the world isn’t that simple. AP says that Stan was like a younger brother to him, and jokes that he did boss him around, as he was wont to do since he had been bossing around his real younger brother all his life. OUTTAKES: They show a few takes of the walk-and-talk of Joe and Methos and Richie talking about Duncan “losing it.” At the beginning of the second one, PW is instructing Stan on giving him some emotional feedback for PW to work off of, and just before he starts, he grins and adds, “And stop pinching my bum, Jim,” before he launches without pause into his dialogue. They show a flashback that was never shown of their attempt to show the initial meeting between Duncan and Connor immediately after Duncan had taken the old hermit’s head. Duncan is standing in a foggy forest and a distant figure on a horse gestures to him. Somehow, Duncan intuits that it’s Connor. The scene looks lame and it was never used. Gillian smiles and says, “It’s like it never happened.” They show the two teaser versions of season six. MacLeod is in a large, almost warehouse-like space. Methos knocks and yells that he knows Mac is there. A kneeling Duncan snaps his fingers to turn on lights, showing a cell-like, Spartan space, then claps his hand to open the door. Methos enters, then Joe comes in via a wheelchair and offers Duncan his katana. Duncan hesitates before he takes it. In the second version, the beginning is pretty much the same, but the dialogue and action make it clear that Duncan arranged for them to come, having decided for himself that it was time for him to do battle. JB’S COMMENTARY: He says the Richie Ryan character had really come into his own, and when they were in France, the actors hung out together a lot more because they didn’t live there year-round and didn’t go back to their families at the end of the day. He says Val Pelka was a great guy and great to work with. Jim went over to Paris every year and got “quite used to it.” He loved the old movie, “Paris Blues”, and thought it was very cool. He ended up being a musician and working in Paris. It was really a dream come true. The barge was an interesting set because you have to shoot in reverse and it could get really hot in there, doing Avatar, when they shot in the summer and inside the barge was miserable. They also had tourist barges constantly going by, but it was a fantastic location with a great feel to it. He liked the use of the triumvirate of evil characters that attack MacLeod. The music behind the montage of Richie was based on something Jim had written on the last day of shooting. The crying at the end when Richie died was easy because “We’d been there for, like, 14 hours.” THE EPISODE: The episode teaser opens with an elderly man searching a cave in Iraq. His companion is a photographer who is skeptical and derisive as Dr. Jason Landry asserts that “the fate of the world is as stake!” They find a large statue of a winged demon holding a spear. Landry translates the inscription identifying the statue as that of Ahriman. Landry says they should all be afraid, that the thousand years are up and “the demon is coming, and the dead will rise.” A red light stabs out from the statue and the photographer is killed by a spear. When Landry looks up, the spear on the statue is gone. Six months later, Landry seeks out Duncan MacLeod as he and Richie are returning from attending an opera. He says he’s come to warn Duncan that “the time is at hand,” and babbles on about “he is coming” and that MacLeod is the only one who can stop him. Just then Duncan’s attention is caught by a figure at the top of the stairs. It’s his old nemesis James Horton. Duncan takes off and Landry yells after him that he doesn’t know what he’s facing, that he’s not ready, but Duncan goes through a red mist, confronting Horton. Richie comes up behind, saying there’s no one there, but Duncan follows what he sees, asking Horton how he can still be alive. Horton taunts him, telling him he should ask himself whether he has gone insane. Duncan draws his sword and chases up the stairs, but Horton disappears. Richie insists that there was never anyone there. Back by the river, Dr. Landry is attacked by an unseen force, strangling him. Duncan and Richie find him, and Duncan sees strangulation marks on his neck. Richie thinks the man was mugged, that he was crazy, but Duncan is concerned that the man was frightened, and that he had come looking specifically for him, to warn him, he believes, about Horton. They go to visit Horton’s gravesite and discover the body had just been removed by Joe Dawson. They catch up to Joe at the airport as he is transporting the body back to the states, Joe says, at his niece’s request. Duncan is furious, convinced that Joe has lied to him once again, and that Horton is still alive. Mac goes berserk, grabs a crowbar and pries open the coffin, and even as we see a decomposed body in the box, we also see a Horton with glowing red eyes, smiling as everyone is convinced Duncan is losing it. Duncan, not yet convinced Horton isn’t still alive, visits the morgue to find out more about Landry, learning that his death had been ruled a stroke rather than a homicide. While there, he sees another body and it turns its head and looks at him with glowing red eyes. That night, Duncan sees Kronos, dressed in ancient armor, in his barge. Duncan tells him he can’t be real, and Kronos disappears. Duncan feels another Immortal and dashes outside, his sword drawn, finding Methos, who is taken aback when Duncan asks him if he’s seen Kronos. Duncan goes to see Landry’s granddaughter, questioning her about Horton, but she knows nothing. When he tells her what Landry had said just before he died, she tells him that her grandfather was an archeologist who had theories about good and evil fighting over the fate of the world where nobody could see it. She says he was in search for some way to defeat a great evil he thought was coming. She shows him her grandfather’s journal, showing drawings and phrases concerning a Zoroastrian myth about a cycle of evil that comes every thousand years, and with “the next warrior, MacLeod” written in large letters. She also shows him a tape recorded in the caves in Iraq, showing the conversation about Ahriman and the death of the man we saw in the first scene. Duncan takes the book and tells Richie what he learned. Richie is now becoming convinced that there is something more going on than Duncan going crazy, but Duncan is getting a little ragged around the edges, wondering if any of what he is seeing or learning is real. Richie mentions Cassandra’s prophesy, that maybe MacLeod has been chosen to defeat this evil that is coming. “What if I don’t want to be chosen?” Duncan asks, then tells Richie about his first Quickening, when he encountered a hermit after he had been immortal only three years and didn’t know what he was. We get a flashback where the hermit greets Duncan mysteriously, knowing his name, casting bones and saying Duncan was both blessed and cursed and mentioning that he will soon meet his teacher, Connor MacLeod. The hermit says he knows Duncan’s destiny, that “what we are is written in the wind long before we are born.” He says he has been waiting for Duncan for 600 years, and that when Duncan’s time comes he “must be prepared to face an evil beyond any you can imagine…. Every thousand years, he comes, and he must be fought. I did my part, but now the responsibility is yours!” Then the hermit comes after Duncan, demanding that Duncan take his head. When Duncan refuses, the hermit comes after him, finally grabbing Duncan’s blade and beheading himself on it. Duncan is confused and terrified by the Quickening that follows. Richie insists that, whatever Duncan is up against, Richie will stick by him and help him deal with it. In the meantime, an ominous red mist creeps into Landry’s granddaughter’s home, where she is weeping over photos of her grandfather. Doors slam and lock, the videotape starts running, talking about the coming demon. Blood pours over the screen, then Landry appears in person, laughing evilly, and the place goes up in flames, burning her alive. The next day, Joe and Methos and Richie are walking along, with Methos debunking the whole idea of there being demons in the world. They go to visit the granddaughter, but find the place burnt down, the granddaughter (Allison Landry) dead, and the police looking for some mysterious man with a ponytail who had last been seen with her. Duncan, looking tired and stressed out, enters the barge grabs a scotch, then finds Allison Landry (who is now dead, but he doesn’t know that yet) seductively draped on his bed, dressed in a black lace teddy. He’s mystified at both her presence and her demeanor, but when he turns away to answer the phone, he hears Allison on the receiver saying that she is dead. He turns and she has disappeared. He is shaken and sits to finish his drink and she grabs him from behind. He spins, breaking a large Chinese vase, knocking her down. She comes on to him (“Nice pecs!”) and he is suspicious, backing away. She accuses him of burning her apartment, he denies it, drawing his sword but she just strokes the blade, saying that after he takes her head he has to make love to her. “Don’t you want to save the world, MacLeod?” she asks. “Or maybe you just want to save yourself. Or maybe,” she rises, suddenly speaking in Horton’s harsh voice. “I’m not real at all!” MacLeod falls back and she disappears. Duncan is left in an empty room, with the vase still intact, wondering if “I’m losing it!” Methos, Joe and Richie are in a café overlooking the river, with Methos saying that Duncan is hallucinating and has lost it, while Richie insists that he still believes in Duncan, that what he is seeing and hearing might very well be real. Methos scoffs, Joe obviously doesn’t believe but Richie is adamant that fighting this demon may be the reason Immortals exist. He leaves and Joe and Methos are left feeling like traitors in comparison to Richie’s loyalty to MacLeod. Back at the barge, Duncan is confused and conflicted, first throwing Landry’s journal in the fire, then retrieving it. Joe and Methos show up, telling Duncan that they think he is in trouble and needs help. Duncan insists that he’s not insane, that he doesn’t know what the figures of Kronos and Horton he saw were, but he knows he really saw them. Methos is dubious, but Duncan is convinced there is something to the prophesy, and if he is, indeed, crazy, then there’s nothing that Joe and Methos can do anyway, that it’s too late. Richie is walking towards the barge when a car pulls up alongside. Inside, he sees Horton holding a gun on Joe, then the car peels away. Richie runs after them. He eventually gets to a phone and calls Duncan, breathlessly telling him that he saw Horton kidnap Joe and that they are at the “old racetrack”. Duncan tries to tell him that what he saw is impossible (Joe is standing right there in front of him) and to stay put and not do anything, but Richie sprints off to “save Joe.” Duncan hands off the phone to Joe, ordering him to keep Richie on the phone and telling him where he is, and dashes off, but when Joe takes the phone, Richie isn’t on the line. continued in part 2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:22:18 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Season Five dvd Commentary: Archangel, pt. 2 of 2 At the racetrack, Duncan is hunting for Richie, when Duncan sees a red-fog shrouded Richie come down the escalator. When Richie’s eyes glow red, too, Duncan recognizes that it isn’t really Richie. The Demon!Richie taunts him, telling him Duncan doesn’t understand his place in all this, and attacks him with a sword. Duncan defends himself, but when he has an opportunity to strike, doesn’t. Demon!Richie doesn’t hesitate, though and slices his arm. They continue to fight, but Duncan is cut again as the demon continues his taunts, then morphs into Horton and back to Richie again. That spurs Duncan on, and he ends up cutting Demon!Richie, telling him everyone can die. But when Richie straightens up, it’s Kronos that Duncan sees. They fight furiously, but then suddenly Kronos just disappears. Duncan looks around and sees Horton on the escalator. Horton shoots Duncan, but then we cut to the real Richie, who has heard the shot and thinks Joe is in trouble and moves toward the noise. When Duncan asks who Horton is, he says he is Set, then suddenly he’s Richie saying, “I’m Ahirman!’ Then he’s Kronos, then all three of them are there at once and they multiply, taunting Duncan as they circle him. A wounded, hurting Duncan can’t keep track of all of them, but at last he rises up, striking out in every direction, but then they disappear. He can hear them laughing, and then each of them suddenly appears one at a time, striking out at him again and again from different directions then disappearing. One of them is Richie – the real Richie. With a growl, Duncan takes his head, then watches as he falls dead at his feet. A red fog coalesces, the Quickening begins and Duncan realizes who it was he just killed. Joe and Methos arrive as the Quickening ends and Duncan is on his knees by Richie’s body. Ahriman, in Richie’s body, then as Kronos, then as Horton, steps out of the shadows, chuckling evilly and watching as the full emotional impact hits Duncan and he goes rigid with horror, rocking slightly. The demon disappears as Joe and Methos approach, but Duncan picks up the katana and holds it out to Methos, his head bowed. Weeping, in a broken voice, Duncan begs Methos to take his head, but Methos shakes his head and turns away, murmuring, “Absolutely not.” Then we see a montage of Richie’s life since he met MacLeod, the good and the bad, as Joe sings a mournful tune. Duncan pulls Richie’s glove off his hand and, barely able to breathe, brokenly chants a Lakota death chant as he raises the glove over his head and walks away. Methos goes to Joe and holds him as he weeps in his arms, and the camera pans down to the abandoned katana, where a glowing red light envelops it for a moment. MY COMMENTS: This episode is extremely hard to watch, especially knowing what’s coming. It is also a difficult commentary to write since the basic events are so controversial. The fundamental issue that first has to be discussed is the believability of the premise – that a demon has been bedeviling humanity for thousands of years, and at the turn of each millennium it is up to a chosen Immortal to defeat him and try to put him back into his cave until the next time. The cost of failure is a thousand years of misery for humanity. Now that’s a pretty warped version of what Zoroastrian belief truly is, although there are some vague similarities to some of their myths. It is easy to say, “Ah, come on, that’s just way too off the track and unrealistic.” But let’s face it, we *are* talking about fiction here, after all, and in a universe that already has Immortals and Quickenings in it. They’ve already asked you to accept a premise that we know can’t be true. They stretched that premise incrementally with the whole notion of Cassandra and her use of the Voice, as well as Garrick’s ability to project dreams, and of course there are the larger “magics” that we see in the movies but not specifically shown on the television series. Personally, I think it is a matter of choice to believe or to reject the premise. If you reject the premise, then the only conclusion to be drawn is that Landry was nuts, that Richie didn’t really see Joe being threatened by Horton and must have been there for some unknown reason, and therefore that Duncan is hallucinating and crazy as a loon and Richie’s death is a pointless tragedy. Under that assumption, I don’t think you could ever trust Duncan MacLeod again, or that he would ever trust himself again and I agree with Duncan, that Methos should take his head and put him out of his misery. Since this is the end of the fifth season and at the time it wasn’t certain there would be a sixth season, it is certainly a viable way to approach that episode, and if that’s what you chose to believe, then you don’t need to read any further because, after all, the story is over, isn’t it? From then on, Duncan is a useless lunatic and any pursuit of the “demon” is further evidence of his insanity, and someone needs to put him down like a rabid dog. At the time the episode first showed, I found it very distressing, but was still determined to believe that the story continued and that there was some dramatic purpose underlying the events other than the pure shock value of having the “hero” kill a major character. Remarkably, the fictional alternative I wrote with V. Watts while awaiting whether or not there would even be a season six (titled “Archangel Redeemed”) had (unbeknownst to us at the time) many basic elements that were similar to the ultimate resolution of the story. I mention that fact not just to be self-serving, but because I think it is relevant to note that the themes presented in the episode were compelling enough to spark similar imaginative flights of fancy from two writers totally ignorant of where the story was headed. This was, I think, what David Abramowitz was after – not a story about a demon, really, but a larger story about the nature of evil and how to come to terms with it, both in ourselves and in the world. They stripped the heroic character of all his illusions of heroism and forced him to question everything he knew or thought he knew about himself. The deconstruction began during the Dark Quickening and they steadily chipped away at him throughout seasons four and five until, at the end, there was nothing left and he couldn’t even recognize himself, much less the people he cared about. The devices used were both sadistic and ingenious. People he had killed in what he believed were moments of high heroism were back and haunting him, taunting him with the notion that the evil really hadn’t died after all. Duncan had only Landry’s book and the clues it held, as well as Richie’s faith, to give him an admittedly tenuous rope to cling to that he wasn’t insane and hallucinating. I hated watching that last scene so much that this last time was, perhaps, the first time I had ever paid really close attention to the events at the racetrack as they unfolded. In so doing, I realized that the setup for Duncan to assume that Richie is just another shadow-demon is really quite nicely done. First they circled him with multiple Richies and Kronoses and Hortons taunting him, attacking him. Then the group disappears, only to reappear individually again and again suddenly out of the shadows, with a frantic Duncan striking at them in all directions, so that when an identically dressed real Richie steps up, Duncan swings – and takes Richie’s head before he even realizes it. That moment is horrifying and brilliantly played. The shock and disbelief, the rejection of the possibility and hope that it isn’t true, then realization as it crashes down, crushing him. Of course he wanted Methos to kill him. What a mercy that would have been at that point, rather than to have to live with what he had done. What he does next is a kind of retreat back to some simple, primitive, visceral, unthinking response that, for me, fits perfectly with the character and the horror of the moment: To take a token and begin his broken, ancient chanting and walk away – anywhere but there – as the only possible way to get from one minute to the next. That he had to live was his curse and his punishment. Extraordinarily painful to watch. There are things, of course, that don’t work as well as they could have. On a trivial plane, I wish that AP had just waited a few days to cut his damned hair so they didn’t have to use a wig that just never looked quite right. The actress who played Allison Landry just didn’t work for me, although I loved the guy who played Jason Landry. More seriously problematic, however, were the “loyalty moments” between Duncan and Richie. They were sweet, but didn’t ring quite true to me, given all the recent tension we’ve seen between them. And finally, using the Methos-and-Joe team as a kind of Greek chorus dispassionately standing around commenting about how MacLeod had gone ‘round the bend also seemed out of character. It seems to me that they would have been far less passive than they were, and that Methos would have stuck much closer to MacLeod if he really felt the man was having sudden, serious mental problems. But the “evil” portrayed in the joint personas of Horton, Kronos and an Evil!Richie were really, really well done, so taken all together, I find this episode to be thrilling in a very dark, creepy, awful kind of way. It sure as hell sparked a lot of controversy, and I’m not really talking about the Richie Flag Wavers. On that issue, I agree with what both Abramowitz and AP said: He’s dead. Get over it. MacGeorge All episode commentaries at: http://www.wordsmiths.net/MacGeorge/episodes/indexframeset.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:23:19 -0000 From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Adrian Paul, Davis-Panzer and HLWW come together for IMMORTAL AID The following Press Release was issued by Davis-Panzer on Friday 11th Feb. ********************** THE CREATORS OF HIGHLANDER & ITS STAR, ADRIAN PAUL, COME TOGETHER TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THE TSUNAMI- RAVAGED THAI ISLAND OF KOH PHI PHI West Hollywood, CA - February 11, 2005 - HIGHLANDER TV Series star Adrian Paul in collaboration with Davis-Anderson Merchandising Corp (DAMC), Davis-Panzer Productions (DP) and Highlander WorldWide (HLWW) have come together to raise funds for the devastated Thai Island of Koh Phi Phi. Koh Phi Phi, formerly renowned as one of the seven most beautiful places in the world by distinguished explorer Jacques Cousteau, and used in the feature film "The Beach" is now flattened in the rubble of the tsunamis of Dec. 26, 2004. Adrian Paul's brother Andrew had lived and operated an adventure travel business on this small island, a one and a half hour boat trip from Phuket, for over 11 years. Andrew and the people, of the island now in ruins, need assistance to rebuild schools, homes and businesses. After learning that Andrew and his family survived, with nothing but the clothes on their back, Adrian Paul declared, "I wasn't surprised to hear my brother say that he wasn't going to leave but instead help rebuild the island's infrastructure. It was a massive job, and I was determined to help him any way I could." Adrian has turned to DP/DAMC to help organize a series of auctions to assist with raising funds for the rebuilding effort. The first auction will include original set costumes and props from the HIGHLANDER film and TV sets including Duncan's leather trench coat, a rare rubber katana and villains' costumes; personal possessions from Adrian Paul including the La Carrera Pan America race helmet, candid set pictures autographed from various cast, and individually framed photos; and HIGHLANDER collectibles from the Official HIGHLANDER Store. Every item and cash donation will include a thank you certificate signed by a combination of HIGHLANDER Creators and Producers Peter S. Davis & Bill Panzer and/or Adrian Paul. Peter S. Davis, DP/DAMC's CEO, expressed "When Adrian shared the miraculous survival story of his brother's family in light of such a terrible disaster, there was no question-we would assist in any way possible. How could we not?" The first phase of IMMORTAL AID will commence with an auction on HLWW (www.hlww.org) on Monday, February 14th and continue through the Friday, February 18th. We are then looking to partner with additional auction sites to continue raising funds for IMMORTAL AID throughout the year. Source: Davis-Panzer. ****************************** Please feel free to repost this on other sites and Boards. Kind regards Carmel Macpherson President, HLWW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:23:35 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Adrian Paul, Davis-Panzer and HLWW come together for IMMORTAL AID John-- > DP/DAMC to help organize a series of > auctions to assist with raising funds for the rebuilding > effort. Will __100%__ of auction proceeds be donated to the cause? And donated to_which_ charitable fund or funds? That's the type of info I look for before participating in this type of thing. Nina mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 Feb 2005 to 12 Feb 2005 (#2005-15) **************************************************************