HIGHLA-L Digest - 26 Jun 2004 to 27 Jun 2004 (#2004-121)
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Topics of the day:
1. Season Four dvds: The Colonel
2. AP's in Parade
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:00:56 -0400
From: Wendy Tillis <immortals_incorporated@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Season Four dvds: The Colonel
Nina:
>And, that decision he makes re: Killian is at odds w/ DM's opinion other
>times, when he says that mortal laws aren't made for Immies/can't handle
>Immies. (I recall him telling Doc Anne that about someone, & of course he
>was right & she was TOTALLY wrong.) The evil Immies who really pissed off
>DM throughout the entire series almost always had harmed mortals, like
>Killian did, so they "deserved" mortal punishment too; yet DM personally
>whacked all those Immies w/o remorse--just as he should have done. Why he
>would want Killian alone to abide in jail for decades escapes me. Sure--it
>would suck--but he would still be ALIVE, & he would eventually escape,
>so....
I suppose it was simply TPTB wanting a different kind of revenge story- although we had just had Reunion which involved an Immortal being condemned to years of "imprisonment" too. I don't see what was so special about Killian from Duncan's POV. Kuyler was an assassin who killed mortals for centuries but Duncan didn't turn him over to the French police. Karros was responsible for many deaths in his various revolutions but Duncan whacked him. Kirin had killed many many mortals and Duncan let him go. We won't even mention Methos <eg> . And that isn't counting the numerous Immortals who had only killed one or two mortals and still met their end at Duncan's hand. Did he really think that Killian would suffer in prison and that it was a more filling punishment? Or was Duncan just being a smartass when he recommended prison - without thinking through the consequences? Did he think Killian would serve a only few years and then be freed - at which point Duncan would whack him? Sinc!
e Killian was already ranting about having been alive forever, wasn't it risky to imprison him where people might realize that he *was* living forever?
>> So..what about imprisoned Immortals? What was TPTB's theory on how they
>escaped notice?
>I'd assume most Immies would soon suicide or get themselves killed to
>revive someplace less secure & escape. Poof. Like Annie Devlin did, for
>instance.(Guess that's something that didn't occur to Killian--the spiders must have
>shriveled his brain. Of course, in the flashback DM doesn't consider the
>possibility Killian could quickly escape mortal justice that way, when he's
>rather pompously deciding Killian's fate.)
As you said (and I cut out<g>) I suppose it was possible, in earlier ages, for a prisoner to be held for decades without anyone noticing..if one assumes no records, a high turn-over of guards, and no one noticing that the guy in cell 5A had 40 foot dreadlocks. Suicide or getting yourself killed is one way out - assuming they don't bury you someplace you can't escape from (like a stone tomb), cremate you, toss your body to the hogs, drop you down the 1000 foot dry well, etc. I'd want to make sure I was going to end up in a very shallow grave or in the back of a slow moving hearse.
Which brings up another issue..how long would you stay dead and what was the risk of coming back to life while still in prison? If you hung yourself in your cell, as soon as they took the rope off, you revive and there you are- right back in your cell. If you arranged to be "shanked" - you might well wake up in the prison hospital (and have to try and escape from there) or, perhaps, wake up before you were even found by the guards. In a prison that was so poorly run that they didn't even know that notice that a prisoner was 144 years old, how likely are you to die and revive without anyone ever noticing? That would be a waste of effort. And...what about embalming? <yuck>
>> This would have been more interesting if I thought it was actually a
>struggle. Joe so desperately wanted to be friends with Duncan that his oath
>was never much of a concern.>>>
>Joe was an Immie groupie; probably most Watchers would be, unless they went
>over into stalkerhood like Horton. But Joe, in a sad kind of way, _needed_
>to be pals w/ DM--his pretty oath be damned. His attitude didn't reflect
>well on him OR on the Watchers (a creepy group really).
I'm sure Watchers fall into three categories. They all, I'd guess, start out being fascinated by the concept of Immortals and with the intention of just watching - cold, clinical but a great show. After a while, some become revolted by these jerks who live forever and do such horrible things (to other Immortals and to mortals). This group either quit or become Hunters like Horton. A second, and by far the largest group, remain interested in the Immortals as an intellectual pursuit and manage to balance the horror that many Immortals are with the greatness of a few. They manage to watch the Game from the outside and don't allow themselves to become too emotionally involved - either pro or con. Ian is stereotypical of this group. Then there is the third group who become so enamored of Immortals in general, or their personal Immortal in particular, that they can no longer watch without interacting. Joe is one example.Rita is another. Joe wants to *be* Duncan. He wants to be t!
he hero. He wants to rescue the fair maidens and slay the evil doers. He wants to be young and healthy and mobile. If he can't be Duncan, he wants to be friends with Duncan. He wants to sit around the bar with Duncan and rehash old battles and old loves. He also wants to use Duncan as a weapon - to send Duncan out to right wrongs that Joe, himself, can't right. And he wants Duncan to win so that he is on the winning team - even if he's only cheering from the side-lines. He wasn't emotionally healthy when Ian recruited him and he never really totally recovered.
>> (The canned liver shows how truly diabolical Killian was.)(I'd have
>left him with canned ferret.)
>And made them creep, alive, into the cans....
Is there any other way???
> The lone light bulb was the worst thing about Killian's little cell. Imagine just waiting for it to go
>out..........
Yeah, that was very creepy.
Wendy(The whole spider thing was kind of boring)
Immortals Inc.
immortals_incorporated@cox.net
"Weasels for Eternity"
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:46 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: AP's in Parade
Parade mag today touts AP as the hands down winner of their recent James
Bond poll. (It's just a Q&A blurb on the inside front page--Personality
Parade--there's a wee mediocre photo.) They make no claim that the
franchise is currently seeking a new Bond or that AP is/was/will be
considered, due to the poll or otherwise. They also suggest Sean Connery as
a new Q (though why the hell he might agree to do that is a mystery to me).
AP's too old now for Bond; after another movie or 2, they'll go w/ a
30-something hottie, to carry the franchise the next decade or so. The
Parade thing is good publicity for AP, though; at least, it is SOME
publicity for him--a nice change.
Nina (of course, Lorenzo Lamas is on the same page--different topic--talk
about unfortunately "linked & locked for all time")
mac.westie@verizon.net
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