HIGHLA-L Digest - 29 May 2004 to 30 May 2004 (#2004-98)
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1. PEACE News (10)
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 08:44:09 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
Carmel wrote:
>I of course have nothing to add to the above except to say that I'm sure
>that if Adrian had received the letters, he would have responded.
Exactly. Which made me think rather unkind thoughts about the people
running to fan club at the time (and I did mail them to the fan club).
- Marina.
\\ "Good girls go to heaven. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Bad girls go to Smallville." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - 'Sorority Boys' wallpaper ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=======tmar@sifl.iid.co.za========|| \\
\\=======Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=======//
"What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
"Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; "Expecting" (Angel)
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 11:51:42 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
>Carmel wrote:
> >I of course have nothing to add to the above except to say that I'm sure
> >that if Adrian had received the letters, he would have responded.
Marina responded:
>Exactly. Which made me think rather unkind thoughts about the people
>running to fan club at the time (and I did mail them to the fan club).
I think unkind thoughts about the person who ran that fan club every single
day.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:30:45 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
Sandy wrote:
>I think unkind thoughts about the person who ran that fan club every single
>day.
What is it about fan clubs that seems to attract... what's the word?
Unreliable? Megalomaniacal? Stalker-types?... to run them? Most
fan clubs that I've heard of (*most*, not all) have had similar
things happen.
I don't get it. Is it that people get too 'close' to a celebrity and
then think the celeb is their personal property? They start thinking
they are 'above' the other fans? They start thinking they have rights
to the celeb and/or set that other fans shouldn't have?
- Marina.
\\ "Good girls go to heaven. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// Bad girls go to Smallville." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - 'Sorority Boys' wallpaper ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=======tmar@sifl.iid.co.za========|| \\
\\=======Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=======//
"What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
"Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; "Expecting" (Angel)
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:22:15 +0100
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
I think there are plenty of excellently-run fan clubs co-ordinated by
well-adjusted people. Being in PR is not an easy job - it can be pretty
thanless as you have to serve both the person/institution you are
representing AND the needs of those interested in them. That can lead to a
catch-22 situation and the very nature means there are some gate-keeping
duties that may sometimes mean being firm with security etc.
The real problems arise if such gatekeepers lose their perspective on that
duty and the balance needed for good public relations. Good PR people spot
opportunities to enhance the image of their client. Bad ones are more
concerned with their own. It often takes someone to more-than-subtley remind
both the PR person and the 'talent' they represent when such actions become
detrimental to everyone involved. It's a delicate balance. I think in the
early days of PEACE that was a problem which many encountered. Suffice to
say, the situation was finally dealt with.
I'm simply content with the fact that we're here and the person in question
is no longer active in fandom.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "T'Mar" <tmar@SIFL.IID.CO.ZA>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] PEACE News
> Sandy wrote:
> >I think unkind thoughts about the person who ran that fan club every
single
> >day.
>
> What is it about fan clubs that seems to attract... what's the word?
> Unreliable? Megalomaniacal? Stalker-types?... to run them? Most
> fan clubs that I've heard of (*most*, not all) have had similar
> things happen.
>
> I don't get it. Is it that people get too 'close' to a celebrity and
> then think the celeb is their personal property? They start thinking
> they are 'above' the other fans? They start thinking they have rights
> to the celeb and/or set that other fans shouldn't have?
>
> - Marina.
>
> \\ "Good girls go to heaven. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> // Bad girls go to Smallville." || R I C H I E >> \\
> \\ - 'Sorority Boys' wallpaper ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
> //=======tmar@sifl.iid.co.za========|| \\
> \\=======Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=======//
>
> "What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
> "Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; "Expecting" (Angel)
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:31:43 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
At 01:22 PM 5/30/2004, a.j.mosby wrote:
>I'm simply content with the fact that we're here and the person in
>question is no longer active in fandom.
Ditto that... *especially* that last part!! <g>
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:31:55 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
Marina--
> What is it about fan clubs that seems to attract... what's the word?
Fanatics?
> I don't get it. Is it that people get too 'close' to a celebrity and
> then think the celeb is their personal property? They start thinking
> they are 'above' the other fans? They start thinking they have rights
> to the celeb and/or set that other fans shouldn't have?
I think it's what happens when, by definition really, a celeb's "BIGGEST
FAN" is put in charge of all the other fans. The #1 loon is running the
asylum. There are bound to be ego, power, & manipulation issues. When the
person is also a total amateur as far as business goes, it _really_ gets
ugly.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 13:12:36 -0700
From: "R. Shelton" <rshelton2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
At 6:22 PM +0100 5/30/04, a.j.mosby wrote:
>The real problems arise if such gatekeepers lose their perspective on that
>duty and the balance needed for good public relations. Good PR people spot
>opportunities to enhance the image of their client. Bad ones are more
>concerned with their own. It often takes someone to more-than-subtley remind
>both the PR person and the 'talent' they represent when such actions become
>detrimental to everyone involved. It's a delicate balance. I think in the
>early days of PEACE that was a problem which many encountered. Suffice to
>say, the situation was finally dealt with.
Well said, John. :) It's just too bad the PEACE situation couldn't
have been dealt with sooner since, as far as I'm concerned, it was
very detrimental to Adrian's career.
Rachel
--
Rachel A. Shelton
rshelton2@earthlink.net
@}->->->-
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:19:46 +0100
From: "a.j.mosby" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
It's just too bad the PEACE situation couldn't
> have been dealt with sooner since, as far as I'm concerned, it was
> very detrimental to Adrian's career.
>
> Rachel
Yes. Nearly detrimental to mine too. Thankfully the pen is mightier than the
sword.
John
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:06:33 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
At 03:31 PM 5/30/2004, MacWestie wrote:
>I think it's what happens when, by definition really, a celeb's "BIGGEST
>FAN" is put in charge of all the other fans.
So true, but that reason isn't valid in this instance. The fan club manager
was an employee, not a fan. But a wacko is a wacko is a wacko.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 17:18:24 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: PEACE News
Sandy wrote:
>At 01:22 PM 5/30/2004, a.j.mosby wrote:
>>I'm simply content with the fact that we're here and the person in
>>question is no longer active in fandom.
>
>Ditto that... *especially* that last part!! <g>
Add my ditto to that.
Pat
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