There are 4 messages totalling 247 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. TV alert for South African members (2) 2. Season Three dvds: The Lamb 3. Immortals Among Us...For Real?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:41:22 +0200 From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za> Subject: TV alert for South African members This is just a TV alert to South African members of this list: 1) The Outer Limits season 6 is being shown on SABC 3 after the movie on Friday nights, so say around 11pm. This week is the episode entitled "Manifest Destiny" and stars Michael SHanks (ep: The Zone). In 2 weeks time, ie 9 April, we should get "The Beholder" with Peter Wingfield. Being another Vancouver series, there are probably many more 'lesser' HL alumni (ie guest stars) in these episodes, so always good to watch. 2) "Tracker" starts on SABC 1 on Saturdays from the 3 April, at 9pm. I knew as soon as it was cancelled that we would be getting it on this channel, as it always has the one-hit not-so-wonders, Andromeda and NYPD Blue being the 2 exceptions, but then, we only saw 1/2 of season 1 of ANdromeda, and we've only just seen the season of NYPD Blue where Rick Schroeder joins the team. Thanks! TarrynZ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please find our disclaimer at http://www.disclaimer.nu.ac.za -------------------------------------------------------------------- <<<<gwavasig>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:11:50 +0200 From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: TV alert for South African members Tarryn wrote: >This is just a TV alert to South African members of this list: > >1) The Outer Limits season 6 is being shown on SABC 3 after the movie on Friday nights, >2) "Tracker" starts on SABC 1 on Saturdays from the 3 April, Thanks for the info, Tarryn! I never pay attention to the schedule and always end up finding out late. Goodie, another OL episode with Michael Shanks. :) :) - Marina. (PS: Can you email me offlist with your phone # if you have one yet?) \\ "And we are scatterlings of Africa on a ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // journey to the stars. Far below we leave || R I C H I E >> \\ \\ forever dreams of what we were." - Juluka ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //=============tmar@sifl.iid.co.za============|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============// Discussing Voyager: Me: What happened to Seven? My brother: She stumbled into a plot device. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:40:23 -0500 From: kageorge <kageorge@erols.com> Subject: Season Three dvds: The Lamb COMMENTARY: Don Paonessa discussed his efforts to make 10-year-old Kenny look 800 years old during a Quickening he takes. What he ended up doing was to superimpose stunt coordinator John Wardlow's eyes onto Kenny's face, achieving the effect he was looking for. David A. comments on the tragedy of Miles Ferguson's death in a car accident, but said he did a great job as Kenny, playing both innocent and evil well. They didn't want to place a value judgment on Kenny's doing what he needed to do to survive. Stan Kirsch talks about how much Jim Byrnes adds to the show. In some ways, Stan felt like he and Jim "bookended Adrian, in a way." Between Adrian and Peter W., the show had a European flair, and Stan noted that he and Jim brought an all-American aspect to the series, and they had a lot of good scenes between them. Ken Gord talked about Dennis Berry and he really liking Miles F. immediately, that he had been overlooked by other casting directors as being not experienced or professional enough, but "that kid was fantastic." He wanted nothing more than to be an actor, and notes his regret that Ferguson "didn't grow old as an actor." The episode is then dedicated to Miles Ferguson. OUTTAKES: We see director Dennis Berry on an empty set talking to the camera and complaining (in a joking way) about not having a crane for himself. [I didn't understand the point of it, so I'm just reporting it.] Then we see the alley scene were Duncan finds the Immortal that Kenny killed, except that Berry is using his signature smoke for atmospherics. While Adrian keeps going and stays in character, whenever his face is turned away from the camera he's audibly commenting about the fact that he can't see anything through the smoke ("This is good. Where's the body? I've lost it!"). Then we see the last conversation between Duncan and Kenny, and Miles blows the line and says, "There can be no other way." Adrian breaks character and jokingly asks, "Is that half of 'There can be only one, and half...." he gestures with his hands and laughs. EPISODE: The episode opens with a young boy, ragged and dirty, knocking an old homeless man out with a brick and stealing his sandwich. Duncan is showing Richie a sailboat he appears to be interested in, rhapsodizing about "There's nothing in the world like an old wooden ketch!" while Richie is bemoaning the amount of work involved in upkeep. Turns out the boat is full of dry rot and Duncan isn't really interested in it, but when Richie complains (again) Duncan says it's all a part of Richie's training, to expose him to culture. They are having an amusing argument about the nature of culture when they 'feel' another Immortal. I'm going to skip a lot of plot stuff here and summarize by saying that Kenny is an 800 year old Immortal who has survived by beguiling other Immortals into "protecting" him, then whacking them. He does whatever is necessary to survive, and Duncan even defends him when Joe and Richie object to what Kenny does, saying that, in truth, it was no different that what they all (Immortals) did - killing other Immortals in order to survive. We learn in some really nice flashbacks to the Civil War that while Duncan was trying to get slaves north to freedom, he encountered a young Immortal drummer boy, who begged him for protection. Duncan briefly left him with someone he trusted while he went to get the slaves through the battle lines, only to have the boy killed while he was gone. He obviously feels guilt over that, and that influences his ambivalent feelings about what Kenny does to survive. Kenny dislikes Anne intensely, seeing her as an interloper, and we learn that Kenny has a history of killing off the mates of the "protectors" he has found. One of them, Dalmon Ross, has been looking for Kenny for 20 years after Kenny killed his mortal wife. After a confrontation with Duncan, when Duncan easily defeats him and demands to know why he's after Kenny, Ross tells him that Kenny murdered his wife. Duncan lets Ross go, telling him to leave Kenny alone. A few minutes later, Kenny sneaks up behind Ross and takes his head. It is only in a subsequent discussion with Joe and Richie later in the loft, when Joe tells Duncan that Ross' wife was mortal and had died trying to prevent Kenny from killing Ross, that Duncan finally decides that Kenny has crossed the line, and realizes that Anne could be in danger. Sure enough, Kenny hot wires a car in a parking garage and tries to run Anne down. [NOTE: Why, on earth, do these scenes always have the pursued person running down the open car lanes instead of dodging into the areas where the pursuing car can't go? Oh, right, this is television. Sorry, lost my focus there for a moment. <g>] Duncan gets there just in time, grabs her, dodges into the parked cars, Kenny crashes, jumps out of the car and runs away. Duncan sends Anne to the dojo for safety, and goes after Kenny. They end up inside some warehouse-type space, with Kenny hiding in the rafters. Duncan urges Kenny to come out and talk, asking why he went after Anne. Kenny says she was in his way, and that, "I *hate* it when people get in my way!" Duncan says he could protect him, that the other Immortals who had taken him in would have protected him, but Kenny just tells him they all would have killed him, eventually, and lets loose a big chunk of shelving on top of MacLeod, pinning him to the floor. As he lies there, helpless and injured, Kenny approaches to take his head. But with one hand Mac reaches up and stops the blow, managing to push Kenny away, then shoving the equipment off himself and reaching for his katana. But he is injured and slow to rise, and Kenny slips away. By the time Mac reaches the street, he only sees Kenny fleetingly, riding in the back of a school bus, looking evil and determined. The tag scene has Duncan returning to the loft, still nursing a sore shoulder, with Anne practically attacking him in concern. Anne is rattled, says she's starting to like him, doesn't want to see him on one of her gurneys in the ER, and "would you please leave that Rambo stuff to the police?" Duncan says he'll try and be more careful. He lowers himself carefully onto the couch [seems to me he must have been really injured, like a broken shoulder or something, to still be hurting for that long], and tells Anne he sent Kenny home. They cuddle a little. Anne looks up at him and says, "Oh, we're up to that, are we?" "Maybe," Duncan answers, and they kiss. What happens next is left to the imagination. COMMENTARY: I thought Miles Ferguson did a good job in a difficult role, especially so for a young actor being called upon to play someone who had been alive for 800 years. The most interesting aspect of the show, for me, was when Duncan expressed the view that what Kenny did was no different from what all Immortals did, despite Duncan's view that his own honor would have been damaged if he had 'tricked' any of his opponents as Kenny tricked the Immortals who took him in. The general disgust with which Duncan described what they did - killing to survive - was a small peek into some very strong feelings about the nature of his own existence, and what he had to do to continue living. He appears to have accepted it as the reality of his life, but he hates it - truly *hates* it in a way that we rarely see expressed so directly. I liked the Civil War flashbacks, which involved a meaningless battle that Duncan tried fruitlessly to prevent. I thought the general too-young-immortal-trying-to-survive idea they used was a good one, but it was more intellectually interesting than emotionally compelling, for me. It might have had more punch if they had had time to spin the plot out a little more, so that we didn't learn of Kenny's killing ways until after we had begun to think of him as a more sympathetic character. But that is the limitation of television, I guess. As for Anne, she came across as anxious, over-eager, and a bit of a controlling busybody. I honestly don't know whether it was the actress or the way the character was written, but even though we've only seen her in a few episodes so far, and she and Duncan are just barely into a 'relationship ', it already seems doomed. <g> MacGeorge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:28:51 EST From: EllnT@aol.com Subject: Immortals Among Us...For Real?? 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