HIGHLA-L Digest - 11 Jul 2003 - Special issue (#2003-150)
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There are 27 messages totalling 811 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Fanfic & Morals (5)
2. Immies, Kimmies and Attornies (8)
3. Mortal Sins (3)
4. Immies, Kimmies, and Attourneys
5. What's the best Lawyer joke you've ever heard?
6. Immies, Kimmies and Attourneys
7. Testimony Tidbit
8. Philosophy! (And square dancing!) (2)
9. OT: Hollywood North Poll: VOTE HIGHLANDER! (2)
10. Two Questions (2)
11. Two Questions, er, *three*
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:52:56 -0400
From: "a.j.mosby@btinternet.com" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fanfic & Morals
<Carmel>: There is no law anywhere in the world that says "DPP OWNS the HL
universe." There are laws that, in various places, including the US,
provide for the ownership of intellectual property. On the face of it,
these laws would probably give DPP substantial ownership of intellectual
property relating to the Highlander universe. But, whether or not 'all' of
the Highlander universe/characters and its 'canon' are owned by DPP is a
matter of fact which can only be determined by a court examining the
evidence relating to those facts.
Okay. Now that's interesting. I'm not savvy with the exact nature of the
law, but I was of the understanding that if I wrote a novel and had it
published that the characters that I create would actually automatically be
my intellectual property. This would obviously not be true of pre-existing
real-life individuals or pre-existing fictional characters used with
permission or out-of-date copyright. I do appreciate that some authors give
an ocassional nod of the hat to other novelists' characters with passing
references, but that this brief allusion is usually as a homage and not as
an intricate part of the story (ie: I believe that Michael Connelly
creation Detective Heironymous Bosch gets referred to in another person's
book, but he is not per se a character who forms part of any essential part
of the story). Also, it would be of the full understanding that a
character of the same name could be use elsewhere without reproach
(co-incidence and all that) as long as the character wasn't deemed to be a
close copy in style and content.
On an slightly related note by brother's debut novel is published by Orion
at the end of the year. The first of a two book deal, it is called The
Third Person and can be ordered through Amazon now! (Author: Steve Mosby).
See, I lied! There WAS another like me at home!
<Carmel> Because the copyright declaration is about the 'work' on which the
declaration appears - i.e. a movie. It is warning people that they cannot
illegally copy that movie/TV show/or show it without the proper licence and
has nothing to do with intellectual property in characters in the movie.
The mere fact of a character appearing in a movie does not in itself give
any right to IP in that character.
Though to be fair, what sometimes does appear is a (for example): "James
Bond is a registered trademark of Eon Productions".
John
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:33:38 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
Marina:
>>Sorry, I've been watching The Practice WAY too much!<<
I've never seen it, but I'm going to start watching this Fall, now that I've heard that they're adding James Spader to the cast.
Leah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:40:34 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Sins
I actually agree more with you than the other
point...I just gotta quit getting influenced so
easily.
I think leaving actually was better because of the
danger, and the thing that pops into my mind is "what
would have happened if she'd still been around when he
went psycho?" The DQ could have made him hurt/kill her
or the baby.
Not to mention all the other dangers that keep coming
up in an Immie's life and all the other times Duncan
came close to death.
And yes, you're right about her not having any more
precognition....come to think of it it took Tessa like
12 years to see her first fight and Q. (Mountain Men).
Loving an immie just isn't for everyone, that's my way
of seeing it. Probably especially a mother-to-be.
Also, I never thought about Duncan much until you said
that....kinda brings up the question of "should he
have left like that?" and "should he have pressured
her to stay so much?" Perhaps it would have been
better not to have contacted her again? Though he did
have to let *her* make the choice to stay with him or
not...
Mel
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:48:47 +0200
From: T'Mar <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
>I've never seen it, but I'm going to start watching this Fall, now
>that I've heard that they're adding James Spader to the cast.
James Spader? Wow! That's excellent!
But I have a question: if they got (or were going to) get rid of
many of the cast members because they were paying them so much,
isn't it going to cost *more* to hire James Spader? Unless he
agreed to work cheap if he got to take his clothes off (and he
looks good naked, BTW)...
- Marina. (Longtime fan of James Spader.)
\\"You can spend precious time marching in your prefect lines,//
// but I don't hear that drum; I'm looking for something else.\\
\\ And if you don't like what you see, you don't have to look //
// at me." - Melissa Etheridge ||=====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za=====\\
\\==========Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie===========//
"What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
"Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; "Expecting" (Angel)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:49:22 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fanfic & Morals
>>Though to be fair, what sometimes does appear is a (for example): "James Bond is a registered trademark of Eon Productions".
John<<
I wonder if *they'll* give LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN any grief over "Campion Bond" in the movie that opened today.
Leah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:58:14 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Sins
One more comment....I'm actually not sure that if I
were a mother to be, that I'd stay either. Of course
our first instinct is "why would anyone leave a hunk
like that?" but the reason I've been thinking that
leaving was smart in both Anne's and Richie's
girlfriend's cases is that what would happen if a
kimmie or renegade Watcher killed the mother? We do
have Connor raising Rachael, but I'd still say that an
immie having a baby around could get somewhat
dangerous. So, I really do see the point here.
Mel
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:09:41 -0400
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
>>But I have a question: if they got (or were going to) get rid of
many of the cast members because they were paying them so much,
isn't it going to cost *more* to hire James Spader? Unless he
agreed to work cheap if he got to take his clothes off (and he
looks good naked, BTW)...
- Marina. (Longtime fan of James Spader.)<<
I haven't a clue. Maybe Spader didn't ask as much, because he hasn't been on a network TV show in over 20 years, and *that* only for a 6-episode quickie. Could be he's not going to be in every episode. In any case, he's doing a lot of attorney roles, lately. Just finished the kinky one in SECRETARY, and now THE PRACTICE, and they just announced a new one this morning, a film called MAIN LINE.
Leah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:16:07 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies, and Attourneys
Don't really have any comments but I will add a joke
What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?
One's a scum sucking bottom feeder and the other's a
fish
Mel, who wonders now if maybe things are that way in
the FK-verse....vamp lawyers? LOL Nah, what would they
need them for...and besides if there are any problems,
that's what Enforcers are for.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:11:53 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
At 10:33 AM 07/11/2003 -0400, Bizarro7@aol.com wrote:
>Marina:
>
> >>Sorry, I've been watching The Practice WAY too much!<<
>
>I've never seen it, but I'm going to start watching this Fall, now that
>I've heard that they're adding James Spader to the cast.
Oooh they are?! Yum!!
-- Sandy
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:50:55 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
Leah says:
>My questions of debate are:
>a) Would it be more expedient for an Immortal to reveal his nature to his
>attorney, to help smooth over any 'special problems' that might arise from
>that Immie/Kimmie lifestyle?
I would think ...yes. That is assuming one picked one's attorney carefully. I'd do some background work, visit on some minor matter, try to get a feel for how open to the strange and different the attorney is. Then, if the attorney seems open to possibilities, I'd reveal myself as an Immortal. It would be very nice to have someone who could help with writing those tricky wills, trusts, etc that Immortals need every few years. If you formed a good relationship with one partner in a firm, you might be able to keep coming back for generations. Your secret would be passed on senior partner to senior partner for ages. Law firms can last a long time ..long enough to be useful to an Immortal. You'd always have a place to leave phone messages..to store things in their office vault..to help you when the police got too close..to smooth immigration problems. etc.
>b) Are there any Immie attorneys
Probably. Why not?
>(or would that render them automatically Kimmies, by nature)?
Yes, but in this case we can't hold that against them<g>
>Would they function to serve the needs of a generally
>Immortal practice?
That's interesting. The biggest problem I can see would be the huge amount of trust you'd have to have in this Immortal lawyer. Most Immortals don't seem to trust each other enough to live in the same town ... let alone share vital financial or identity information with. If you *could* trust them..it would be a huge help since the same person would be around to help with issues created by something they did 200 years ago. They would, of course, have to stay current in the laws of the land. We'd better buy him or her a piece of Holy Ground to build his/her home and office on.
>c) What's the best Lawyer joke you've ever heard?
Oh dear...there are so many.
Priest, doctor and lawyer stuck on a deserted island with no food or water. In the distance is another island that appears to have trees, water, rowboat on shoreline etc. Someone has to swim over and get the boat. Doctor says he is the fittest and will do it. He swims out a short distance and then turns and hurries back to shore. Sharks! The priest says he will do it because God will protect him. He swims out, the sharks attack, he barely makes it back to the others alive. Lawyer says he will try as he is the only one left. He swims out, easily makes it to the other island, and returns with the rowboat. Doctor and priest ask why the sharks didn't attack him. "Professional courtesy" <eg>
Wendy( Is there any profession that you absolutely can't imagine an Immortal trying?)(Besides those involving very sharp objects at neck level?)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:08:02 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
Marina:
>>>Sorry, I've been watching The Practice WAY too much!<<
Leah:
>I've never seen it,
Oh, too bad. In its prime it was the most excellent thing on TV. No matter how good The Practice is next year, it won't match those first couple of seasons. If you can find reruns on TV somewhere...watch those.
>but I'm going to start watching this Fall,
The quality of the writing has been slipping of late. The characters changed in ways that made them unattractive and unrecognizable to long term fans. The episodes revolved more around the increasingly sordid personal lives of the characters than the law and those cases they did try got more and more ridiculous. I was actually happy that it had been (almost) cancelled. While I'm trying to be hopeful about a new season minus 6 (out of 9?) long term characters, I have serious doubts. The characters left have never been the most interesting and throwing a bunch of new characters into an old format seldom works. How many shows can we count that "ended" and then were brought back for one more season with radically changed cast and format?
>now that
>I've heard that they're adding James Spader to the cast.
I like James Spader - though I think his day has seriously passed. The bits I've seen about what his character will be (morally challenged, hard drinking, womanizer?) doesn't inspire too much confidence in me ..but we'll see. If all they do is use him as a pseudo-Bobby and toss him into bed with a new female each week, I'll be disappointed.
Wendy (OBHLR: James Spader played Daniel Jackson in the Stargate movie before Michael Shanks took over the role for TV. Michael Shanks played "Jesse the Mine Owner's Son" on HL:TS)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:39:39 -0500
From: Vicki Farmer <vickita1961@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
Bizarro7@aol.com wrote:
> c) What's the best Lawyer joke you've ever heard?
How many lawyers does it take to wallpaper a room?
Depends on how thin you slice 'em.
V.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:01:25 -0400
From: Deborah Laymon <dejla@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: What's the best Lawyer joke you've ever heard?
What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the sea?
A good start.
(I support computers for lawyers. Sometimes it's a sad thing.)
Deborah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:25 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attourneys
<<Are there any jobs you can't imagine an Immortal
trying>>?
I don't know but I can think of one where being an
Immie might be a benifit...crash test dummy. It'd be a
very painful job, but once they revived, they could
just tell the testers what happened.
OK maybe sword swallower would be a bad one...though
that does involve dangerous objects at neck level.
(But it would sure make an interesting way of stashing
your weapon....)
Back to the jokes...two variations on the same idea
What's the difference between a vampire and lawyer?
Nothing, they're both bloodsuckers
What's the difference between a lawyer and a leech?
Nothing.
Mel (was the last one too lame?)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:38:16 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Testimony Tidbit
Did anyone this? In the airport scene, Mac and Anne
say goodbye to Richie and then walk away arm in arm.
Anyone see the blurry, but recognizable figure
standing over by the cars in the parking lot? Guess he
*was* there before Finale and just didn't tell Mac
until then.
I always kinda wondered why he didn't come earlier
anyway....Watching by long distance? LOL. Mac must've
dropped him a line every time he took a
head.....either that or I guess the other Immie's
Watcher could have relayed the info.
Mel
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:45:16 -0400
From: SenseiRob@aol.com
Subject: Re: Philosophy! (And square dancing!)
Nina:
> > Morally, they are making money selling stuff that belongs
> > to the people responsible for Highlander, a TV show we--all of us here on
> > this list, today--all love. That's immoral--here, today.
Dotiran:
> By what standard, since you have rejected any common moral
> principles?
Nina, over and over, in much detail, has exhaustively described facets of her moral system as they apply to subjects such as fanfic. I'm amazed that anyone onList could have any doubts whatsoever as to her stances on her favorite subjects of debate...
-Rob (Perhaps by inference we can determine that trolling is a moral necessity of Natural Law) (As is a complete inability to describe it) (Fergus would be appalled)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:04:02 -0400
From: TCBO2 <TCBO2@comcast.net>
Subject: OT: Hollywood North Poll: VOTE HIGHLANDER!
[Please forgive the cross-posting and delete duplicates of this post.] =
:-D
The very informative and up-to-the-instant Hollywood North Report =
website
(aka: Canada - esp. Vancouver) has a poll up as of today. The question =
is:
"What's your Favourite Vancouver made TV series?" Ten series, some
very old, some long gone, others very marginal when they were on, and
some -- like HIGHLANDER and STARGATE-SG1 still either alive and well in
worldwide fandom or still in production for new seasons (SG & Dead Zone)
are your choices. So far, only 69 votes have been cast as of 4:55pm ET,
with the lead of "39%" (=3D27 votes) for "X-Files." HL has 9% (=3D 6 =
votes).
On the Holyground Forum, one of the posters (who shall remain nameless)
urged everyone there to vote for "X-Files"! <EEK!?!>
I know voting polls are mostly a waste of time, but this one is on a =
highly
visible and popular VANCOUVER site which just *might* be a "fave" of =
some
Vancouver PTB's and Casting Directors . . . so, it's time for anyone =
interested
to CAST YOUR VOTE for HL -- and that means certain devoted SG-1 fans
who live in Orlando, Florida! (You know who you are. You go Daniel back! =
<g>
Go to:
http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/
and scroll halfway down the RIGHT side of the page for the poll.
Let's win one for the Gipp .... er, for Highlander and AP and PW and JB, =
et al.
Thank you veddy, veddy much,
TCBO2
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:52:47 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Hollywood North Poll: VOTE HIGHLANDER!
> No she didn't, you misread the post. "Can we let X
Files win?" meant "Get over there and vote so that X
Files doesn't win."
Mel
> On the Holyground Forum, one of the posters (who
> shall remain nameless)
> urged everyone there to vote for "X-Files"!
> <EEK!?!>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:08:44 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Two Questions
1. In Testimony, Duncan sees the Q and is afraid that
Richie lost his head. But wouldn't he know that the Q
was too big to be Richie? Richie's just a newborn and
he's only taken a few heads...wouldn't his Q be pretty
small at that time?
2. Is there a one Q an ep limit or something? What
happened to the Q at the end of today's ep?
3. Anne said Duncan had no scars. But Immies do get
scars...what about Kalas and possibly Kurgan? Or is
only for big injuries like those and small ones don't
scar?
Mel
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:12:24 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Two Questions
> 1. In Testimony, Duncan sees the Q and is afraid that
> Richie lost his head. But wouldn't he know that the Q
> was too big to be Richie? Richie's just a newborn and
> he's only taken a few heads...wouldn't his Q be pretty
> small at that time?
There's no telling how large or small a Quickening will
be before it happens, no matter how old or young the
Immie.
Jette
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:53:49 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Philosophy! (And square dancing!)
In a message dated 7/11/2003 3:46:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
SenseiRob@aol.com writes:
> Nina, over and over, in much detail, has exhaustively described facets of
> her moral system as they apply to subjects such as fanfic
Nope. I've heard opinions, not standards.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:43:05 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Two Questions, er, *three*
Oopos, I can't count......wrote two , meant three.
Mel
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:50:33 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Immies, Kimmies and Attornies
Leah--
> b) Are there any Immie attorneys
There _were_ a few--
Nicholas Ward/The Vampire
Brother Paul/Song of the Executioner
Gavriel Larca/Little Tin God (I think Joe even makes a little joke about it)
Methos/The Valkyrie (though he may have just had fake paperwork)
Jason Talbot/Unholy Alliance 1 (per the Watcher CD)
So, Methos aside, there are no known _living_ Immie attys left in the HL
universe, that I recall. There's no reason to think aren't plenty of them
around, though, except that it's got to be easier to blend in & move around
decade after decade w/ an occupation requiring less formal training,
specific expertise, documentation, & licensing.
Nina (Don't tell Mom I'm a lawyer--she thinks I play piano in a bordello.)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:21:49 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Mortal Sins
Wendy wrote:
>And Duncan isn't blameless here. He wanted her to stay..he wanted to play
>father. He let her think he could protect them because he wanted to think
>he could. He didn't say "Go away for a year and think about this". He
>didn't say " BTW, staying with me will probably get you and the baby
>killed." In "Line of Fire" Duncan is emphatic that Immortals can't protect
>the mortals that they love. He practically orders Richie to send Donna and
>the kid away. He *knows* that women and children are the first ones hurt
>when Immortals start playing games. And yet he doesn't send Anne away. He
>says "stay close to me" - as if that will make everything safe.
This raises another question. Setting aside the question of children,
which complicates the issue.
When is/isn't it right for an immortal to be involved with a mortal? At
what point does the immortal have an obligation to tell their mortal lover
the whole truth? Anne was in danger from Kallas before she went to Paris.
Pat
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:27:44 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Fanfic & Morals
John wrote:
>Though to be fair, what sometimes does appear is a (for example): "James
>Bond is a registered trademark of Eon Productions".
Aren't trademark and copyright two different legal animals?
Pat L.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:30:03 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Fanfic & Morals
me before--
> ... DPP OWNS the HL universe. It's
> >often tragically stupid what they do w/ those ownership rights, but
that's
> >life.
Greg--
> I've been following along here, but I'm not sure what you meant by the
> comment, "It's often tragically stupid what they do w/ those ownership
> rights." Do you mean that DPP should be doing a better job of writing
more
> for the Highlander universe, or that they should be aggressively attacking
> anyone who violates their copyright?
I was thinking about how DPP partnered w/ Miramax/Dimension Films to get HL
3 made. Then, when problems arose, DPP blamed the suits at
Miramax/Dimension. Yet, DPP partnered w/ Miramax/Dimension on HL:Endgame--&
again blamed the studio for the problems w/ _that_ movie. And, who is DPP
now threatening to make HL5 with? Miramax/Dimension, of course.
Maybe it's all just a ploy to get people to buy DPP's inevitable Producers'
Cut of each film....
me before--
> This reminds me--surely one huge draw that slash &the more graphic hetero
> fanfic has for certain people, is that it's the only porn they allow
> themselves to read. Pity, really.
Robin--
>>>Trust me, hon. It ain't the only "porn" I allow myself to read. I read
for
the sake of the story. I take it you skip over sex scenes in books and
movies?>>>
Sorry, sweetie, you missed the point. There's far better-crafted porn
available than in most fanfic, slash or not. It just doesn't come
innocuously packaged as one's favorite TV shows.
People new to the net often seem entranced by fanfic, particularly the
racier stories. Judging by their comments, it's the titillation that is the
appeal, more than the actual characters, fictional universe, etc. Yet,
being fanfic, it is titillation in an environment that is familiar & feels
safe to them. Many don't even consider it porn if it is fanfic, & they
would _never_ consider reading about the same explicit sex acts in any other
fashion.
Since I believe you said you've been on the net since February, I'm sure
none of this applies to you.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:46:23 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Fanfic & Morals
Nina wrote:
>Sorry, sweetie, you missed the point. There's far better-crafted porn
>available than in most fanfic, slash or not.
How do you know this for a fact unless you've been reading fanfic?
Pat
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