HIGHLA-L Digest - 3 Jul 2003 (#2003-132)
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Topics of the day:
1. Highlander in the news (4)
2. Immortal finances
3. Disability
4. I would love Stan/Richie
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:21:59 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
In a message dated 7/3/2003 5:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
> You can't submit a Buffy/Angel/Mutant Enemy show treatment to Joss, even if
> you managed to get an agent (and I know some very talented writers who have
> worked in the business who still found it difficult to get an agent).
> Equally you can't submit an Alias script to J J Abrams and his production
> company. This is because of the danger of (claims of) plagurising work. No
> series will ever look at a spec script for their own show. (I believe the
> Trek franchise allowed amateur pitches at one point, but this has now been
> nixed by a wary Paramount).
Exactly. And every script writer I've ever known or talked to has said this
is exactly what they did -- they submitted a "spec" script from *another* show
to, for instance, the Stargate people. If the producers liked their work, they
were invited to write a *Stargate* script and submit it.
Annie
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:16:40 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Immortal finances
you wrote:
>to whoever had a legal right for it, which if he wrote a will might be a whole
>bunch of people, who you assume he didnt care about because he was a Bad Guy.
If he left a will, fine. It seems doubtful Grayson would have written a
will. He wasn't the type who expect to die, or who would care what
happened to his wealth if he did. We didn't see any sign that he carried
about anyone else.
>soooo... Grayson made his money by killing and looting. Therefore that
>makes it
>morally correct to kill him and loot him? interesting argument in the eye
>for an eye vein, but not one I personally
>subscribe to. I
Uh, no. He was an immortal who challenged & tried to kill Duncan. That
made it morally correct to kill him. You do see the difference, don't
you? No one is advocating an eye for an eye or promoting murder & robbery.
>Or is it an argument about utility- Grayson used it to look after only
>Grayson,
>but Duncan would use it to look after helpless widdle children so how he
>got it
>is all okay? Ends justify the means is not an argument I like much either.
What are you talking about? Grayson is dead because he challenged
Duncan. It's the Game. He's dead, deceased, done bit the dust. If he
left no family or dependents what difference does it make if Duncan takes a
few things instead of the state getting everything?
>actually I dont remember as we had proof Grayson didnt look after his people
>well. We know he sold weapons (like Duncan sold swords? Or does quantity
>make
>it a fundamentally different gig?) And we know he really really wanted to
>hurt
>Darius for being a wuss. Which wasnt entirely sane I'll grant but doesnt
>necessarily say much about how he treated people on his side.
We had no evidence he looked after anyone either. Remember the part where
he killed innocent mortals just to hurt Darius? He didn't hate Darius for
being a wuss. He hated Darius for not helping him conquer and rule other
people. All of which is moot except as an indication that it's unlikely he
left instructions for distrubution of his estate.
Pat
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:26:53 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
John--
> And again. He didn't say ALL fanfic was rubbish. He was asked if the news
> item was real and he said 'No, it's rubbish'.
No, that's not what he said. (And, I would think you, as a journalist,
would know the dangers of paraphrasing someone, particularly when you add
your own quotation marks--very confusing, if not actionable.) He flatly
stated the leak WAS fanfic. (And then he made the ambiguous comment about
rubbish.) Here's the actual quoted response when asked about the Spike
rumor, just to be transparently clear----
JOSS WHEDON: Fan fic. Utter rubbish.
He may have been in error, but it seemed reasonable to me to rely on his
knowledge, since it is his show. In a couple posts here you went along w/
the leak being fanfic, as he stated, until yesterday you suddenly changed
your mind & said it wasn't fanfic at all. That's what was odd. Personally,
I don't care if it was or wasn't, but it is always nice when people pick a
story & stick w/ it.
John before--
>>>On this list we've covered the 'tactful ignoring' stance by many TPTB on
thousands of other posts on the matter >>>
I'm well aware of that stance--that fanfic is best left w/ 1 foot in the
closet, so everyone has deniability. (I don't agree w/ it; it looks to me
like a fat kid shoving the pilfered cake under a rug & hoping mommy doesn't
notice her chocolate-smeared face.) "Keep quiet" is a popular view, from
the fan perspective. But, you are a journalist, right? When you are talking
to Joss Whedon in those many interviews you mentioned, & when you talk to
Bill Panzer & various other powers that be, you are speaking to them as a
journalist, not as a fan. Correct? So, doesn't that mean you shouldn't be
content w/ half truths? That you should be asking, on the record, the hard
questions & getting complete answers to print? Why don't you ask Panzer,
Whedon, etc. how they really feel about fanfic? Get specific. Websites
hosting fanfic of all types. The wide & for-profit distribution of
fanzines. People talking--in print--about selling "their" story rights &
getting a real book published. Be really brave & ask them about slash.
What do TPTB _really_ think? Get the truth, & print it. I really think
there's a story there. Inquiring minds want to know....
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:35:49 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
Leah--
> During a Q&A at the HL Celebration con, Jennifer Roberson pointed out that
> she, Gillian Horvath and Donna Letto all got their start in writing with
fanfic.
So? I'm sure a lot of real writers practiced w/ fanfic early on. The point
is what they did w/ it, distribution-wise.
I wonder if any of the above ladies way back then violated the Highlander
copyright by widely distributing it on a website or in a for-profit fanzine?
Nina (It would be an odd way to curry favor w/ potential employers....)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:54:56 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Disability
> That entirely depends on the disability. I mean Byron was disabled (I
think he
> was the one with the odd foot) and he managed okay.
Not in the end.
> People breaking rules bugs me.
So, how do you feel about people who widely distribute fanfic?
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:09:03 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: I would love Stan/Richie
> I have always loved the character Richie Ryan in the Highlander series. I
> don't believe there is a script yet.
Doesn't matter. Eventually, it'll suck.
> I would love to see Richie (Played by Stan) in flashback.
Since Richie was an Immie for such a short time, is it reasonable that he
had many experiences off-camera, from the series perspective, that would
make an interesting flashback in a movie? Like--Richie makes a bad pass at
a shallow model...no--we saw that. Richie lays down his sword & tries the
way of peace...no--saw that already. Richie ignores advice from his betters
& get in BIG trouble...no--that was done to death. Richie considers signing
up for a class in "Ducking--How to Survive Swordfights w/ Hallucinating
Pals" but blows it off to go trolling for chicks. That might do.
> With the rumors of Adrian might be in it.
I hope AP finds real work. However, I'm no longer hopeful.
> All it takes is a stamp and note asking for
Sorry. I'd spend a stamp to beg TPTB _not_ to do any more Highlander at
all, but clearly they aren't listening to the fans.
Nina
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:11:02 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander in the news
Nina wrote:
> When you are talking
>to Joss Whedon in those many interviews you mentioned, & when you talk to
>Bill Panzer & various other powers that be, you are speaking to them as a
>journalist, not as a fan. Correct? So, doesn't that mean you shouldn't be
>content w/ half truths? That you should be asking, on the record, the hard
>questions & getting complete answers to print? Why don't you ask Panzer,
>Whedon, etc. how they really feel about fanfic?
Can't speak for John of course. Speaking only as a fan who buys the
magazines John writes for. There is limited print space and more pressing
questions I want answered. We're talking entertainment mags, not
investigative journalism.
Pat
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