There are 16 messages totalling 848 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. season 1 trivia--part 1 (4) 2. Old age (5) 3. Songvids? 4. Eye For An Eye (3) 5. Eurominutes - Eye for an Eye 6. Old age -- Please ignore 7. Eye for an Eye ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:24:24 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 1 Wendy-- > Without reference to note And we're proud of you. ANSWERS-- >The Gathering > >Duncan's very 1st line of dialogue? "Quit pulling on my new hair extensions!" > >Fill in the blank--"I'm Connor MacLeod-same clan, different _________ ." accent > >What Richie calls Connor? Daddy. (But he calls ALL men Daddy.) > >Name of the cop? What cop? Seacouver clearly has no police force, or all those headless bodies would have been noticed. > >Interesting thing about the chairs in Duncan's office? Perfect height for sex games between D & T. Also-scotch-guarded. > >Family Tree > >Name of the store Richie remembers fondly from childhood? I really don't care about Richie OR his trivia. >Name of Joe Scanlon's rooming house? Ye Olde Roach Motel-wasn't that the WORST place?! >Cause of Duncan's 1st death? Over-indulged at the all-you-can-eat haggis bar. > >Duncan's 1st words as an Immortal (to Ian)- "It is a _______________!" cold day in hell when I eat haggis again > >Road Not Taken > >Location of the art show Tessa goes to? Doesn't matter-going ANYPLACE w/o Duncan was stupid. >Kiem Sun to Duncan--"Your ________ has been prickling me like a thorn in my > >side across the centuries." Oh, no-I suddenly see homoerotic subtext--the slashers were clearly right after all!!!!! > >Series regular character who debuts in this episode? Buffy Summers. > >What Crowley's deputy arrests Richie for? Looking like a dweeb. > What Duncan pretends to buy from Leo Atkins? Lessons in the social niceties, including personal hygiene. > > >Richie to Duncan--"Don't you ever get _______?" tired of me > >Free Fall > >What is the made-up middle initial Richie put on his business card? it's not E for Einstein.. > >How much Duncan pays for the Matsumuni sword? Way too much-doesn't he know about ebay? > >Belinda to Duncan-"I have to go to the ________." Toy Store for a new dolly; this one keeps wandering off on its own. > >What is the subject of Duncan's story for Belinda? A silly boy who ate too much haggis.. > >Duncan's weapon of choice against the criminals? his rapier wit >Mountain Men > >Where Duncan has been on business? Tony's Salon-the hair extensions needed work. >What Immortal hermit Carl taught Duncan, & what Duncan taught him? Carl taught Duncan how to woo the ladies, & Duncan shared his fav recipe for crème brulee. > >What Tessa sees her 1st & only of in this episode? Bears doing it in the woods. > >Name of Caleb Cole's adopted son? Loser. > >Duncan to Caleb--"Whatever gods made you & me, made us ____________." really, really hot. Well, they made ME really, really hot; you, they just made talk funny > >Deadly Medicine > >What Duncan is carrying when he is hit by a car? The weight of the world. And several feisty tomatoes. > >What Duncan goes diving for? Does it matter? He was supposed to be keeping a low profile to avoid prosecution as the suspected murderer, but there he is in broad daylight DIVING in the bay at the crime scene.. It's a good thing there are no cops in Seacouver. > >The drug Dr. Wilder uses to sedate Duncan? Mountain Dew-it makes all Immies loopy. > >What Richie is supposed to pick up from Hellman's Antiques? Several dusty bottles of really old sandwich spread. > >What Duncan does w/ the drugs? Trades them for a case of Mountain Dew. He's hooked.. > >Price of Angie's new/used car? Anyone who falls for Richie's patter deserves to be taken. >What is graffitied on Tessa's sculptures? Krispy Kreme > >The footage of Duncan driving the T-Bird to & from the car dealership to > >see Richie is taken from what previous episode? The one where he was wearing that totally different shirt. > >The "fast as hell" motorcycle brand ridden by both Scalpers? > Indian. Shouldn't that be Native American? > >Name of the victim's little dog? I think the dog was in on it-she was an idiot. > >Name of the play Duncan uses to trap the modern-day Scalper? Bouncers. > >Eyewitness > >Name of Richie's art chick? Like he cared about her name. > >Where Duncan is on a trip at the start of the episode? Back at Tony's Salon-those blasted hair extensions are a pain! (And they've got Mountain Dew in the soda machine there.) > >What Duncan & Tessa do at very end? Make tea in the bathroom. > >Band of Brothers > >The war/battle during which Duncan 1st met Darius? It would have been Waterloo, except for all the snow. > >Duncan to Darius-"I was raised a warrior. I choose battles I believe to be____." full of angst > >Name of Darius' mortal student targeted by Grayson but saved by Duncan? Martha Stewart > >What Grayson leaves at Duncan's door to taunt him? A flaming bag of doggie doo. Nina (I didn't say these were THE answers-tomorrow for those) mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:37:33 -0400 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Old age Robin wrote: >>Sorry if this has been asked before, but a person discovers that he/she is >>immortal when they die, right. So what happens if they don't get >>stabbed/shot/killed and they live to the ripe old age of 98 or so. I guess >>they would be the first to lose their heads, huh. Sandy: >I've kinda sorta decided that *only* a violent death will bring out the >person's immortality. A person who lived to a ripe old age and dying of >natural causes would just be dead. > >All of the immies in the show whose deaths we were told about had died by >some kind of violence, and we never saw any really old (physically) immies. TPTB had a change of heart about the violence versus "natural causes" somewhere along the way (between the !st and 2nd Watcher Chronicle CD in fact). On the original CD, the Indian, Ironhorse, is listed as having died from eating some poisonous mushrooms. On the second CD, he is is killed in a battle. OTOH they left more than a few entries that seem like natural causes (Mother Nature versus human intervention) to me..several of the Immortals listed had drown, frozen to death, been struck by lightening, fallen from some height , were snake bit, choked on food, poisoned by bad food, trampled by horses, poisoned by bad guys, etc. About the only things not listed are illness and old age. So....the 98 year old Pre-Immortal who falls, breaks a hip, and lays on the floor for 3 days before dying might well become Immortal. Of course a 98 year old Immortal wouldn't last too long in the Game. It's entirely likely that Amanda had it all wrong in Raven when she shot Nick to make him Immortal.(Amanda make a mistake?)(Duh!) Lots of other Immortals became immortal after being poisoned. As for Duncan stabbing Kate/Faith..he was, no doubt, precipitous. There might have been lots of opportunities for her to become Immortal that didn't require a knife in the heart in her wedding bed. She might have fallen off a horse...or eaten spoiled food..or drown in the well. He acted rashly and paid the price. There never was a good explanation why he did it on their wedding night instead of waiting a wee bit. Then again, it was an extremely poorly thought-out movie. Wendy(If you came across a 75 year old Pre-Immortal...would you tell them what they were and give them the choice of becoming Immortal or not?)(Discuss amongst yourselves) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:45:04 -0400 From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com> Subject: Songvids? What's the deal with songvids? I keep reading about them, but can't = seem to find any posted online anywhere. My curiosity is peaked. Becky -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:24:39 -0700 From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 1 --- MacWestie <mac.westie@VERIZON.NET> wrote: > Tthanks for the pick-me-up. I've been semi-depressed ever since I saw 'Darkness' and the laugh did me good. I'm surprised I didn't wake up my mom with all the laughing LOL. Mel ===== The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:26:57 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Old age For what it's worth (& I don't think it's worth much), Donna Lettow had this to say on the topic (back in 5/99, when she posted on one of the HL forums)-- "The general rule of thumb that I use is that a violent death is a death caused by an external force. Death by disease or old age is a death caused by an internal force/forces. (Yeah, yeah, contagious diseases come from the outside, but it's still the body's reaction to those contagions that causes death.) The grey area with this rule I suppose are things like starvation and suffocation, but for the CD Bill Panzer approved both as possible First Deaths, and his word is law in such matters." It may be law, but often it doesn't make sense. Hence, Endgame. Wendy-- >>> As for Duncan stabbing Kate/Faith..he was, no doubt, precipitous. There might have been lots of opportunities for her to become Immortal that didn't require a knife in the heart in her wedding bed. She might have fallen off a horse...or eaten spoiled food..or drown in the well. >>> She might have died in childbirth. No--wait--Immies NEVER having kids is a shred of HL canon still intact.... Isn't it? She said DM's act denied her of the chance to have babies as a pre-immie. But, Kate/Faith was dumb & might well not know..... I really HATE Endgame. >>> Wendy(If you came across a 75 year old Pre-Immortal...would you tell them what they were and give them the choice of becoming Immortal or not?)>>> Sure, I'd tell them. But would they be able to _hear_ me.... Nina mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:26:45 -0500 From: Charolette Taylor <ctaylor1@kiva.net> Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 1 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MacWestie=20 To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 1 > >Interesting thing about the chairs in Duncan's office? Perfect height for sex games between D & T. Also-scotch-guarded. (LOL)...Shouldn't that be 'Scot'-guarded ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:04:41 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: season 1 trivia--part 1 Nina wrote: >Oh, no-I suddenly see homoerotic subtext--the slashers were clearly right >after all!!!!! You realise that comment is going to come back and bite you in the butt, don't you, Nina? (Between you and Wendy, the trivia is the most fun I've had on HIGHLA-L in a long time.) - Marina. (Though the yelling and insults were kinda fun, too.) ;) \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "What about the fact they thought we were gay?" "Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; 'Expecting' (Angel) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:42:35 EDT From: Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@aol.com> Subject: Re: Old age In a message dated 5/20/2003 11:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jjswbt@earthlink.net writes: > (If you came across a 75 year old Pre-Immortal...would you tell them what > they were and give them the choice of becoming Immortal or not?)(Discuss > amongst yourselves) > Hmmm.. that's a toughie. I think so. Who knows, they may get in an accident and it happen anyway. Could you imagine one elderly person set in their ways suddenly becoming immortal? BTW, thanks for not clearing things up! (ha) Robin robinchristine79@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:49:37 EDT From: Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@aol.com> Subject: Re: Old age In a message dated 5/21/2003 12:29:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mac.westie@verizon.net writes: > Sure, I'd tell them. But would they be able to _hear_ me.... > > > > Nina > > mac.westie@verizon.net > Oh, bad, bad!! (lol) Robin robinchristine79@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:48:31 +0100 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Old age > It's entirely likely that Amanda had it all wrong in Raven when she shot Nick to make him Immortal.(Amanda make a mistake?)(Duh!) Lots of other Immortals became immortal after being poisoned. As for Duncan stabbing Kate/Faith..he was, no doubt, precipitous. There might have been lots of opportunities for her to become Immortal that didn't require a knife in the heart in her wedding bed. She might have fallen off a horse...or eaten spoiled food..or drown in the well. He acted rashly and paid the price. There never was a good explanation why he did it on their wedding night instead of waiting a wee bit. Then again, it was an extremely poorly thought-out movie. > There is a belief that a woman is at her most beautiful on her wedding night - Duncan might have wanted Kate to go through eternity at her peak. Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes jette@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:36:40 -0400 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Eye For An Eye Not a bad episode..not a great one. The outline of Duncan/Richie's entire future is set out. Duncan will attempt to tell Richie what to do, Richie will rebel against doing it. They were ill-suited to be teacher-pupil- their temperaments just grated. We learn Charlie's back story and he begins to see things that will confuse him for years and finally get him killed. A few things that occurred to me: 1) Why do Richie and Duncan go off searching for the Immortal they feel after Richie gets his chili dog? Why not just go about your business ? The street was crowded, they were in the open, no one was going to jump out at them with a sword..why go looking for trouble? 2) The security around the British Ambassador and the Consulate look very lax- even by 1993 standards. 3) Why did Annie send Mick and Tommy out of the car to kill the Ambassador? Why not go herself - she had the best chance of surviving. 4) In the dojo, Richie tells Duncan that the reason he (Duncan) is being so hard on Richie is because he (Duncan) feels guilty for not being with Tessa when she was attacked. I don't buy that. *I* think Duncan is being hard on Richie because, subconsciously, Duncan blames *Richie* for not protecting Tessa. 5) Immortals bounce! 6) While I understand and accept the notion of katana space....it stretches things a bit to have Annie pull her sword out of the back of that tight, belted, outfit she was wearing at the warehouse. 7) Why didn't Richie heal faster from the injures Annie inflicted during the warehouse fight? He was still limping and cradling a broken hand when he arrived at the dojo. 8) Does 100 year old Irish whisky really come in bottles with screw tops? 9) Did Richie resent the fact that Duncan went to hold and comfort Annie after her fight with Richie- instead of going to comfort his badly shaken student? and 10) After training Richie to fight with a two-handed sword, why did Duncan give him a one-handed rapier? A subconscious attempt to handicap a potential rival? A lapse of memory? The need to differentiate the two characters for viewers who couldn't otherwise tell Duncan and Richie apart? Wendy(Do we need to have the eternal debate on whether Duncan's night with Annie was a natural reaction to grief or total disrespect for Tessa's memory?) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:39:39 -0400 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Eurominutes - Eye for an Eye Some of you may remember when I did these the first time around. I *thought* I had done all the Season 2 episodes but I can't find any record of about half of them. So..I'll try and fill in some of the ones I'm missing. Since I don't have my first-run tapes any longer, I'll have to use the TNN versions to compare against the uncut version. It doesn't appear that TNN is cutting very much out for extra commercial time. (They'll probably get worse after the first time through) and my memory of what was shown the first time is pretty good. I'm going to mark bits that I am unsure of (TNN cut or Euro) with an asterisk (*) and we can sort those out later. So..here goes: *********************************************************************** (1) * After the shoot-out with Annie: TNN: Richie asks if Annie sounds sincere. Duncan just looks at him and the Richie says "I was afraid of that". Cut to commercial Euro: Richie says "I was afraid of that". Pan back to Annie glaring at Richie as she is put into the police car. Back to Richie looking worried. Cut to commercial (2) Back from commercial after shoot-out. TNN: Duncan and Richie in elevator, going up to the loft. Duncan: That was a Mac 10, Richie! Euro: Shot of the outside of the dojo. Then inside to Duncan and Richie walking toward elevator. Richie is pumped up on adrenaline. Duncan looks pissed. As they walk, Richie: I was staring right down the barrel of that creep's gun, Mac! Right down the barrel and I didn't even flinch. <They enter the elevator> Richie: Is that what it feels like every time? Duncan :No! <Pulls down the elevator grate> Only when you're a damn fool! Richie: What's eating you? Duncan: That was a Mac 10, Richie! (3) Duncan and Richie training at the dojo. the Euro has more shots of Duncan dumping Richie, really humiliating him. (4) After the flashback to Ireland TNN: Off Duncan looking at Annie's ring, we go to the outside shot of the office building Euro: Off Duncan looking at Annie's ring, we see Richie coming across the dojo. He has showered and is in street clothes. He still looks pissed. Duncan moves to the office doorway. Duncan: Where ya goin? Richie: My place, the zoo, anyplace there's no mat for you to dump me on. Duncan: You come in second to Annie, you'll die - forever! Richie: I'll take my chances. Off Duncan looking concerned, we go to the outside of the office building. (5)* After Annie exits the morgue TNN: Cut to Richie working out at the dojo Euro: Cut to the bright busy street outside the dojo. Pan the outside of the dojo and then cut to Richie working out (6) The sword training session is longer in the Euro. More of the same. (7) After we see Annie reunited with her gang at the bar, TNN: Cut to dojo. Richie all sweaty and panting, hitting the big boxing bag. Charlie is there. Richie stops. Richie: I'm done! Euro: Cut to Richie hitting the bag. Charlie is there helping out by offering advice ( "use your left", "move your hips"etc). Richie hits harder and harder, a bit of desperation showing. Charlie is concerned about Richie's mental state Charlie: You and MacLeod work things out? Richie: Close enough. <Richie stops, sweaty and panting.> Richie :I'm done (8) Return from commercial, the Bike shop. TNN: We see a car pull up with Mick driving. Then we see Richie pulling on his motorcycle helmet. Euro: Pan the outside of the bike shop, a row of motorcycles. Richie and owner exit the shop and shake hands. Richie: Thanks for the deal, Ron. Take it easy. Ron: Take it easy. Richie kneels next to his new bike, making some adjustments. Then we see a car pull up with Mick driving. Then we see Richie pulling on his motorcycle helmet (9) After Richie escapes from Annie at the warehouse: TNN Cut to Duncan inside the dojo. He is near the doors, "feeling" an Immortal approach. Richie enters, all banged up. Euro: Cut to the dojo. Charlie is fixing a weight bench. Duncan stands nearby. He looks concerned. Charlie: You still worried about him? Come on! The woman's dead. Duncan: <distractedly> That's right. <Duncan feels an Immortal approaching. He slowly crosses the dojo until he is at the doors. He waits. Richie appears, all banged up. (10)* Annie and Duncan get physical. TNN :Duncan and Annie fall backwards onto the pier. Kiss kiss. Play with hair. Annie tries to get Duncan's shirt open. Kiss kiss. Fade to commercial Euro:Duncan and Annie fall backwards onto the pier. Kiss kiss. Play with hair. Annie tries to get Duncan's shirt open. Kiss kiss. Shift positions to again work on each others shirts. Kiss kiss. Annie settles the issue by ripping the buttons loose. Nice shot of Duncan's bare chest, shoulders, and back. Kiss kiss. Fade to commercial. ******************************************************** There you have them. I only found three cuts that I'm reasonably sure are TNN's alone (# 1, 5 and 10) Questions? Comments? Wendy (Oh God..not The Zone next!)(:::shudder::::) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:51:16 -0400 From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Eye For An Eye Mme Weezul: >4) In the dojo, Richie tells Duncan that the reason he (Duncan) is >being so hard on Richie is because he (Duncan) feels guilty for not >being with Tessa when she was attacked. I don't buy that. *I* think >Duncan is being hard on Richie because, subconsciously, Duncan >blames *Richie* for not protecting Tessa. You know, Wendy, I never thought about it that way, but you're right. <g> Liser -- Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net -- The difference between truth and fiction: fiction has to make sense --Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:23:50 -0400 From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Old age -- Please ignore The post that just now went through was supposed to have gone out yesterday afternoon. My thoughts at that time seem kinda irrelevant now that I've read some of the later posts on the subject. -- Sandy (computers... can't live without 'em... can't kill 'em) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:31:23 -0700 From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Eye for an Eye About the lovemaking scene, I think he was driven to it by grief. He was hurt, vulnerable and looking for comfort. Add to that being drunk... But I'm anxious to here other thoughts on it, too. Mel ===== The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:14:15 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Eye For An Eye Wendy-- > We learn Charlie's back story and he begins to see things that will confuse him for years and finally get him killed. And that's a bad thing? >>> 1) Why do Richie and Duncan go off searching for the Immortal they feel after Richie gets his chili dog? Why not just go about your business ? The street was crowded, they were in the open, no one was going to jump out at them with a sword..why go looking for trouble?>>> DM usually did that. As he told Methos (who of course turned tail & promptly vanished) when they sensed Koren/Kronos at the start of Comes a Horseman, DM likes to know who's around. >>> 3) Why did Annie send Mick and Tommy out of the car to kill the Ambassador? Why not go herself - she had the best chance of surviving.>>> According to DM, she had a habit of getting her activist/terrorist men killed that way. But, she was also the leader there, & leaders often hang back while the minions wreak havoc. >>> 6) While I understand and accept the notion of katana space....it stretches things a bit to have Annie pull her sword out of the back of that tight, belted, outfit she was wearing at the warehouse.>>> Anymore than casting Sheen Easton as an Immie stretches things? >>>> 9) Did Richie resent the fact that Duncan went to hold and comfort Annie after her fight with Richie- instead of going to comfort his badly shaken student?>>> I don't know, but making love on a wooden dock is just dumb--you know _someone_ got splinters, & that's gotta hurt even an immie rump. >>> 10) After training Richie to fight with a two-handed sword, why did Duncan give him a one-handed rapier? A subconscious attempt to handicap a potential rival? A lapse of memory? The need to differentiate the two characters for viewers who couldn't otherwise tell Duncan and Richie apart?>>> At least DM learned a lesson after Felicia trashed a $200,000 sword; DM gave RR a crappy one whose handle routinely broke off under a harsh look.... >>> Wendy(Do we need to have the eternal debate on whether Duncan's night with Annie was a natural reaction to grief or total disrespect for Tessa's memory?)>>> Neither--the producers just couldn't wait to put DM in sexy scenes w/ the guest tarts, something that (FBs aside) didn't work w/ dear Tessa scowling in the background. And sexy DM scenes aren't going to get complaints from ME. AP (w/ an assist from his loose & messy hair) does a nice job of showing throughout the ep that DM is in shock over losing Tessa, still raw & disoriented. The Zone today--ick. Nina mac.westie@verizon.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 20 May 2003 to 21 May 2003 - Special issue (#2003-84) ******************************************************************************