HIGHLA-L Digest - 10 May 2003 to 11 May 2003 - Special issue
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Topics in this special issue:
1. DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L (5)
2. OT: Question on Andromeda (2)
3. the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
(3)
4. the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L
5. PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo! (4)
6. Highlander Moment
7. Avenging Angel (2)
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:38:01 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
someone wrote—
>>>Not to mention the fact that this list has always been the home for a
particularly nasty poster who has delighted in destroying the enjoyment
we all once had (when there were nearly 2200 members of HIGHLA-L)
and causing massive migration away to more carefully monitored, yet
also friendlier, "safer" lists to post discussions of Highlander, its stars,
and ongoing issues and careers of said stars. I've been on HIGHLA-L
since 1996 and have quietly watched a handful of sharp-tongued,
self-designated "geezers" and one relative "PORA" who is living in
a State whose motto is to "Live Aloha" (meaning love & friendship
and helping), but is infamous for her toxic, hurtful, vicious posts.
[For the last 2 years I've wondered 'n' wondered WHERE WAS DEBBIE...
to put a stop to Nasty N--a, The Toxic Destroyer of HIGHLA-L, but as
you indicate, Debbie's interest "is nowhere to be found."] >>>
Hmmm. Have these geezers, this “Toxic Destroyer of HIGHLA-L” (hereafter
TDoH), or anyone else EVER posted as vicious a personal attack as the
above? (Or half as puerile???)
And, isn’t it a list rule that posts be signed or otherwise identified? It’
s rather sad that such passionately held beliefs are posted basically
anonymously. Also, creepy. (NOT that I want to know what state he or she
lurks in or need to play word games w/ his or her name.)
Annie—
>>> They obviously so desperately *want* attention and
they are obviously so completely bankrupt of creativity>>>
Please clarify—are you talking about “creativity” in the sense of people who
_really_ like other people’s fictional characters, locations, canon, etc. &
call it “writing” when they manipulate all those goodies w/o permission,
illegally & immorally publishing "their" work in fanzines & on the net? Or,
what?
>>>Annie (still in Australia... we're off to see a live video link with
Elizabeth Gracen and Adrian Paul this morning -- Peter Wingfield, James
Horan and Jim Byrnes were all lovely here at HLDU the last two days!)>>
So, you are in an exotic foreign country at a HL convention, & you take time
out to snipe on-list?
Marina--
>>> {{Makes faces at Nina.}}>>>
What—is your pole broken?
Nina (My mom’s watching HL:TS on TNN. Her previous HL experience was
basically HL: Endgame, so when I _made_ her watch The Gathering, her comment
was—“Wow, this is great. So, how come the movie sucked?” She wants to move
into Duncan & Tessa’s apartment set, except for the terrible view. She says
Richie is unnecessarily annoying. She missed Lady & Tiger & frantically
asked if I had it on tape; let’s see—2 versions on tape, plus the DVD….)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:49:33 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
Michele wrote:
>:) 'k a little patience watching this ep and I would have known - no,
>obviously it's not Tilque - but still, might as well have been.
I think you mean Teal'c? And AFAIK, it was him. Apprently Michael
Shanks was in the same episode, wearing leather and being evil.
(And since Saint Michael was in HL, this isn't off-topic, heh.)
I learned about this on a Sentinel list I'm on. (Not off-topic
there, either, since some actors from Andromeda have been on The
Sentinel before.)
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:56:18 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
>Marina--
> {{Makes faces at Nina.}}>>>
>What—is your pole broken?
No, no - it's having a rest after whapping people yesterday.
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:27:59 -0500
From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>
Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
Hi again,
First, thanks to all those who have thanked me both on and off the list.
HIGHLA-L is clearly more alive then I thought, which is good. I should have
been more clear about being the list archivist in my original post - opps. I
am not Debbie. The natives needed a good stiring up anyway... HLFIC-L still
looks dead.
Fear not. The archive won't just be deleted. It will definately be moving to
a new home however, possibly (definately) with some downtime or URL changes.
If you miss a few posts in the meantime, the listserv does a month of
archives at http://f05n16.cac.psu.edu/archives/highla-l.html - can you guess
the URL for hlfic-l?
Grab anything you desperately need now off highlander.org in the next couple
days, but dont worry about it disappearing forever. Hopefully I'll be moving
off the colo box on Tuesday or Wednesday, at which time it will go down.
Think of this juggling like the movie that can never be spoken of - just
ignore it ;)
I've emailed Debbie about hosting the 6 years and 2 months (oy!) of archives
I have. I even have the ADULT: posts, tho I dont recommend putting those up,
or reading them, morality police and all. I expect to hear back in her usual
6-8 weeks. If she doesn't end up hosting it I have a couple other people
that have emailed me about doing it. You accumulate a large pile of HL stuff
in 9 years of running a web site - 60MB of _compressed_ list postings alone.
Hopefully I'll be remembered in the watchers archivist archive :)
P.S. I didn't stun it, it was already stunned.
/> Adam Beberg - beberg@highlander.org
/< There Can Be Only One - Highlander WWW/FTP Site
O{\\\\\\\O}:::|===============================-
\< FTP -> ftp://ftp.highlander.org/pub/highlander/
\> WWW -> http://www.highlander.org/
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:37:03 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: Question on Andromeda
> Sorry all but I *know* I will get an answer from somebody here in order to
> satisfy my curiosity. Why is Tilque from Stargate on Andromeda?
Supposing
> it's not him, geez can you say "typecast"? :)
Do you mean Teal'c?
It's Vancouver. He works there anyway so he's available. There
were several other actor crossovers between the shows.
Jette
"Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:02:52 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
> Bri wrote:
>
>>The Amanda show was definately a wash, and I like the character too. The
>>fourth movie was indeed pretty awful, just like ALL the sequels, but I for
>>one thought the fight with Duncan and that Oriental (name escapes me) was
>>worth the price of admission alone.
If they had just left Amanda as she was instead of trying to
Duncanize her! For me, Amanda can be summed up in three scenes:
The one in Return of Amanda where she slugged a guy with her
purse, in Legacy when she beaned a guy with a frying pan, and the
scene in Return of Amanda when she said "I swear on my mother's
grave..." and Duncan said "You don't *HAVE* a mother".
In making Amanda go all good, they destroyed her lightness. It
would have been far more interesting to see her struggle with her
past and inclinations, rather than just having them coming back
to bite her.
ZK
Self-designated Geezer
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:29:02 -0400
From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net>
Subject: the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
Does anyone remember someone, I think on the AOL board, who used
the id TCBOO and posted anonymously? Doesn't tcb02 sound like
that poster?
Re safer lists: I've been on lists where a moderator acted as
"tone police", kicking back posts that she perceived as Not Nice.
I am constantly amazed at Debbie's wisdom in letting all but
the nastiest flame wars just burn themselves out, which they
inevitably do.
The current group of people whose discussions often turn personal
are not unusual on this list. I think that they may be perceived
as unusual because the list isn't as active. In the old days
:::: thumping self-designated geezerly cane and rocking over
Wendy's foot on general principle :::: we'd have several threads
going at once. I came on the list in the middle of a rip-roaring
fight between - um - Rocco(?) and Danny. (or was it Danny and
l*g*n?)
IMSDGLO (in my self-designated geezer-like opinion), lists are
kind of like bell curves. Most discussions are somewhere in the
middle. At one end are the discussions that turn personal or
flaming (the trolls aren't even on the curve <g>). At the other
end are the discussions that have us thinking, choking with
laughter, or just amazed and delighted at getting a peek into
some very interesting people's minds. If you lop off the end of
the curve that is sometimes Not Nice, you also lop off the other
end of the curve. Brilliance, ideas, original thinking are
uncomfortable and sometimes disturbing, because they are
difficult for people to understand or control.
Me? I'll take discussion, with all its sharp corners and lumps,
and the freedom to post with as little policing as possible. I
can handle the discussions eventually dissolving into
personalities a lot better than I can handle the dreadful
monotony of an environment that is too-well policed. Freedom is
indeed messy.
Thank you Debbie.
~grumpy (Consider Benjamin Franklin duly quoted here)
Self-Designated Geezer
Founder, Slightly Dowdy Overweight Leather-Clad Computer Babes
with Math Degrees (There! I knew I'd remember it!)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:12:33 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L
ZK wrote:
>Me? I'll take discussion, with all its sharp corners and lumps,
>and the freedom to post with as little policing as possible. I
>can handle the discussions eventually dissolving into
>personalities a lot better than I can handle the dreadful
>monotony of an environment that is too-well policed. Freedom is
>indeed messy.
Well-policed lists are, in a word, *boring*. There is usually very
little meaningful discussion, and when a discussion starts to *get*
meaningful and a bit heated, the "list mom" always steps in and
stops it. How is a person going to learn anything if one cannot
even get into an argument or go slightly off-topic? Sheesh.
I've always liked HIGHLA-L because we don't have policing going on.
I mean, how many people has Debbie kicked off the list for bad
behaviour? One, if I can remember, and that was for lying and
using sock puppets (and being mentally unstable in his obsession
with Connor MacLeod).
I do think that we (those who have been here pretty long - not just
the geezers) have settled into a kind of complacency. Things are a
bit predictable. For example, I bring up fanfic or slash, Nina
argues with me, I argue back, one or two other people jump in, etc.
By now Nina doesn't even have to post anything; I can figure out
what she'll say before her post even pops up. I'm sure she knows
what I'll say before I even bother to hit 'send'. I wish we had a
bit more diversity, but this list has been going for nine years.
Things were bound to slow down, I guess.
But I still learn new things, even when they pop up as asides during
conversations. And I kind of enjoy fighting with Nina, even when I
don't particularly care about the topic, because at least then the
list gets some traffic, and that's always good. (What do they say in
Hollywood? Any publicity is better than no publicity.) I look at
posts from nine years ago and sure, there was a much greater
diversity of posts. But things don't stay the same; c'est la vie and
all that.
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
"Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; 'Expecting' (Angel)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:34:34 EDT
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and
HIGHLA-L
In a message dated 5/11/2003 12:33:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net writes:
> Does anyone remember someone, I think on the AOL board, who used
> the id TCBOO and posted anonymously? Doesn't tcb02 sound like
> that poster?
>
No. TCBOO on the AOL board was Adrian Paul himself. And he was nice :)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:58:21 -0500
From: Ginny <RED57@aol.com>
Subject: PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo!
<br>
Oh, what the heck, here's some primitive spoiler spaces for old time's
sake:<br>
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You know you've been a Highlander fan for a long time when all your
spoiler swords got lost 4 upgrades ago....<br>
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Nothing really earth-shattering to add, but even though I knew in
advance that Peter appears in X2 sporting an American accent, I was
still surprised and tickled to see him. DH (dear hubby) was very, very
surprised, as I hadn't bothered to tell him. At first he didn't believe
me, because Peter sounded very un-Peterlike as an American henchman,
goon, minion, or what-have-you.<br>
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I was hoping that Peter's character would survive to the end of the
picture, but unfortunately he was in a corridor with a bunch of other
heavily armed minions when the pins on their grenades suddenly decided
to go hang out with Magneto for a while. All of a sudden, no more
minions. <br>
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Still, he got more screen time than I was expecting, and gave a very
focused, crisp performance as a military type who happens to be working
for the black-op bad guys. I hope good things come of it for him and
for his career. <br>
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<span>--<br>
Ginny<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RED57@aol.com">RED57@aol.com</a><br>
Fresh out of .sig lines</span>
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:33:13 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo!
Ginny wrote:
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>Nothing really earth-shattering to add, but even though I knew in
>advance that Peter appears in X2 sporting an American accent, I was
>still surprised and tickled to see him.
I *didn't* know ahead of time that he was in it, so it was a big
surprise to me - but a pleasant one!
In the scene at the mad guy's base, when he's talking to PW's
character (before you see his face), my brother turned to me and
said, "That's Peter Wingfield." And I was like, "Huh?" (I was
looking for my lemonade next to the seat.) And he goes, "That's
PETER WINGFIELD! I recognised his voice!" And I go, "Where?" Then
they showed him in a nice, huge close-up, so of course I went,
"THAT'S PETER WINGFIELD!!" And my brother was like, "I said that." <g>
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"What about the fact they thought we were gay?"
"Adds mystery." - Wesley and Angel; 'Expecting' (Angel)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:32:14 -0400
From: Jill Gillham <selkie@cox.net>
Subject: Re: PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo!
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> Date: 2003/05/11 Sun PM 02:58:21 EDT
> To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
> Subject: PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo!
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decided to go hang out with Magneto for a while. All of a sudden,
no more minions.
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And you know you've been watching too much Highlander When
you expect the evil henchman he's playing to come back to life a
little bit later just in time to get out of the Evil Lair.
Hey, someone had to have survived to plot further revenge against
the mutants down the road.
Jill
selkie@cox.net
http://members.cox.net/selkie/
"Carpe carp!"
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:36:51 -0400
From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com>
Subject: Re: PW in X2: Actual spoiler space! Woohoo!
Ginny wrote:
>Oh, what the heck, here's some primitive spoiler spaces for old time's =
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>Nothing really earth-shattering to add, but even though I knew in =
advance that Peter appears in X2 sporting an >American accent, I was =
still surprised and tickled to see him. DH (dear hubby) was very, very =
surprised, as I hadn't >bothered to tell him. At first he didn't believe =
me, because Peter sounded very un-Peterlike as an American >henchman, =
goon, minion, or what-have-you.
Thought he did a nice accent, too.
Marina:
>In the scene at the mad guy's base, when he's talking to PW's
>character (before you see his face), my brother turned to me and
>said, "That's Peter Wingfield." And I was like, "Huh?" (I was
>looking for my lemonade next to the seat.) And he goes, "That's
>PETER WINGFIELD! I recognised his voice!"=20
And I was muttering could the director *please* put the camera actually =
on his face when he's talking please! And then he did, great big Peter =
face to completely fill the screen - for a nanosecond. Did my heart =
good. ;-)
Ginny:
>Still, he got more screen time than I was expecting, and gave a very =
focused, crisp performance as a military type who >happens to be working =
for the black-op bad guys. I hope good things come of it for him and for =
his career.=20
One can only hope that casting directors everywhere are paying really =
close attention when they view X2, as I don't think he really got enough =
screen time to garner much notice.
Becky
Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate on it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"There are some questions about life that only the dead can answer." =
Methos
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:50:29 -0700
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com>
Subject: Highlander Moment
You know you're a Highlander addict when....
You're watching a preview of an upcoming Angel episode
(It was for the ep that aired two weeks before the
season finale)and the announcer says something about
"Only one can survive" and your first instinct is to
add "And may it be Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander"
Mel, who wound up popping in her Queen CD to play A
Kind of Magic right after Angel that night
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:32:29 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: the Trolls of Highla-L/was: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and
HIGHLA-L
you wrote:
>Me? I'll take discussion, with all its sharp corners and lumps,
>and the freedom to post with as little policing as possible. I
>can handle the discussions eventually dissolving into
>personalities a lot better than I can handle the dreadful
>monotony of an environment that is too-well policed. Freedom is
>indeed messy.
::: stands & applauds :::
>Thank you Debbie.
Ditto.
Pat L.
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:09:31 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
I wrote:
>> Tessa all righteous over her friend's career choice!
ZK:
>And she living in sin!
Truly. So..the friend gets paid cash by the hour and Tessa gets paid on a more long-term basis in jewelry, an antique store, free studio time.
>> Cahill coming back from the dead with the knife still stuck in his heart!
>>
>Duncan did that too in Shadows.
Which goes along with the idea that the rules are malleable when the plot requires. If the knife wound was enough to kill Cahill (or Duncan in "Courage")(Not "Shadows")(I think) then he should have stayed dead until it was removed.
>> No Richie!
>>
>Ah, but he was in Lady and the Tiger a few nights back.
Sadly, yes. No Richie is better than any Richie at all <EG>
>> Cahill being an expert swordsman with no training!
>>
>He washed out of Special Forces, remember? I'm sure that
>involves training with axe and sword. Also mace and spear.
Right <G> Special Forces spends months teaching guys how to fence and swing a mace? Right. Sure. Whatever.
>> And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground!
>>
>WAS NOT! IT WAS A MUSEUM! Besides, the Templars were
>excommunicated by (at least one branch of) the RCC, so even if it
>was formerly holy ground, it was no longer HG. ::: cantering
>across List on three-legged very smelly steed named "How does
>holy ground get decommissioned?" :::
WAS TO! WAS TO!!!!
Has nothing to do with the building itself or its prior use. Cahill was using it for his devotionals. He had his altar set up - complete with candles and cross- and that was where he communed with his God. Who says some priest from some organized religion has to sanctify the ground? If Cahill thought of it as his "church then it should count. Not to mention, but I will because I always do, the credits clearly show Duncan in that space as the words "holy ground his only refuge" are heard. IF TPTB didn't want it to be HG, they should have paid more attention!
>> Wendy(This List isn't dead.)(It's just stunned.)
>Well, you always said you'd be the one to turn out the lights.
I'll be here right up until Debbie turns out the lights.
> (don't forget the dead ferret hanging down Duncan's back)
I didn't miss those horrid hair extensions as they grew out.
>(And the best scene in the ep - Duncan and Tessa running through the
>pigeons :::: sniffle ::::)
Yes. Alive, in love, and in Paris. :::sniffle:::
Wendy(I still think that whole HG thing is a convenient myth.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:49:11 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L
TCBO2 wrote:
TCBO2??? What kind of person has been on a list for 7 years and still won't use a proper name? Obviously someone who wants to remain anonymous. Why would someone want to remain *that* anonymous? Because they are someone we know using a second account? Because they are someone who only posts to start trouble? Because they are chickens**t?
>Not to mention the fact that this list has always been the home for a
>particularly nasty poster who has delighted in destroying the enjoyment
>we all once had
I hope she's not talking about me. I'd be extremely saddened. Really. I might cry. I've always been sweetness and light here. Ask anyone.
>(when there were nearly 2200 members of HIGHLA-L)
And 2150 of them never posted unless it was to join a roll call of what color hair they had. The same 50 people have always "carried" the discussion on this list.
>and causing massive migration away to more carefully monitored, yet
>also friendlier, "safer" lists
Places with < shudder> "List Mommies" ??? <shudder>
>I've been on HIGHLA-L
>since 1996 and have quietly watched a handful of sharp-tongued,
>self-designated "geezers"
I'm sorry....one can't be a self-designated geezer. You must earn geezerhood. Some people achieve it early, some people take years to achieve it, and some people never attain geezer status. One way to tell who is a geezer and who isn't is to see who can survive having someone disagree with them without either crying for Debbie to come save them or calling someone toxic.
>and one relative "PORA" who is living in
>a State whose motto is to "Live Aloha" (meaning love & friendship
>and helping), but is infamous for her toxic, hurtful, vicious posts.
Ok...I'm beginning to have suspicions about who our mystery TCBO2 is.
>[For the last 2 years I've wondered 'n' wondered WHERE WAS DEBBIE...
>to put a stop to Nasty N--a, The Toxic Destroyer of HIGHLA-L, but as
>you indicate, Debbie's interest "is nowhere to be found."]
And as Debbie pointed out, she reads every post. If Debbie hasn't seen any need to deal with your perceived problem person..then there isn't a problem. Debbie probably figures that everyone here is an adult and fully capable of handling themselves. If one really can't read one's e-mail - from whatever source- and either respond or delete as necessary- then one shouldn't be wandering the Internet alone.
Adam:
><<It was a good run tho wasn't it :) >>
Our nameless friend:
>Yes, it was, Adam. For a good long while. Then, it got nasty and
>miserable. . . and d e s e r t e d . . . .
Deserted? I think there are still over 800 people subscribed.
> It *is* time to put to bed, permanently, both HLFIC-L & HIGHLA-L. R.I.P.
:::::::::::Bzzzzzt:::::::::::
Sorry . Wrong answer. Feel free to play again.
Wendy(How can we R.I.P.?)(We haven't ever solved the question of whether Xavier's hand grew back.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:57:19 -0500
From: Kamil <kamil@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
<Wendy>
Cahill coming back from the dead with the knife still stuck in his
heart!
<ZK>
Duncan did that too in Shadows.
<Wendy>
Which goes along with the idea that the rules are malleable when the
plot requires. If the knife wound was enough to kill
Cahill (or Duncan in "Courage")(Not "Shadows")(I think) then he should
have stayed dead until it was removed.
Actually, I think it was "Shadows". Garrick stabbed Duncan and told the
crowd that now they'd see some real magick, or witchery, or whatever.
<Wendy>
Cahill being an expert swordsman with no training!
<ZK>
He washed out of Special Forces, remember? I'm sure that involves
training with axe and sword. Also mace and spear.
<Wendy>
Right <G> Special Forces spends months teaching guys how to fence and
swing a mace? Right. Sure. Whatever.
It could happen. Or, Immies could have the same after first death gig
that vampires in the Buffyverse seem to be tapped into, wherein they
always seem to develop martial arts skills soon upon arising. Probably
not though. <g> At least Joss addressed it in the text, or mocked it,
it's not always easy to tell with him. <g>
<Wendy>
And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground!
<Marina>
It was NOT holy ground, Wendy. It was some Templar shrine. I have a
shrine to Richie in my house. That doesn't make it holy ground.
:::::kicks the molded three legged beastie:::::
Do you think that'd work as a way to consecrate the ground? The intent
of the person involved in raising a shrine to whatever? Because I'm
thinking of raising one to Orlando Bloom, and if it does, that'd be
neat. Otherwise, how does one ever decide whose beliefs are good enough,
or intense enough, or even just devotedly wicked enough to turn the
place where they worship into HG? And who gets to decide in the first
place?
::::staggers away, coughing from the cloud of dust and mold::::::
Wendy(I still think that whole HG thing is a convenient myth.)
Most likely, yes. I suspect the ones who know that would prefer that it
not become common knowledge however.
--
Kamil
Dawn: "... and my sister is a vampire slayer. Her best friend is a witch
who went bonkers and tried to destroy the world. Um, I actually used to
be a little ball of energy, until about two years ago when some monks
changed the past and made me Buffy's sister and, for some reason, a big
klepto. My best friends are Leticia Jones, who moved to San Diego
because this town is evil, and a floppy eared demon named Clem."
"Lessons" Shooting Script BtVS
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