There are 27 messages totalling 808 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L (19) 2. Avenging Angel (6) 3. Highlander moment (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:13:04 -0700 From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Hi Adam, >The people left on this list may remember me as the list archivist and I run >highlander.org. Of course I remember you Adam. It's long over-due, but thank you for maintaining the archives all these years. I've used them myself. Should have said thanks long before now. >Since I'm moving to a new web hosting provider, I'm considering selling off >the highlander.org stuff to another fan that's still more active, or more >likely to someone running a Scottish historical site or some such thing. >Since I've never had ads on the site, and have run the site for fun since >1994 it's now costing me more to keep going then the joy I get out of it. I can't and won't tell you what you should do. It's your money and your time. If, as you say, the cost out ways the pleasure than perhaps it's time you moved on. >So are the lists, and Highlander interest in general preaty much gone? It >was a good run tho wasn't it :) It's been a great run. The only one who can say when it's over is Debbie. I don't see why the future of this list needs to be discussed as long as Debbie is willing to keep it going. Those who are no longer interested are free to leave. If everyone leaves, Debbie will likely turn off the lights and lock the door. Until then, HIGHLA-L lives, immortal. :-) So, who's watching HL on TNN? I'll confess I'm watching, even though I own all the tapes. Not sure why, but there's something different about the experience of watching a broadcast. It's been several years since I watched HL and I'm finding the experience nostalgic. Pat L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:01:05 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/9/2003 6:38:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com writes: > Where is the Holyground forum? <A HREF="http://www.holygroundforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi">Holyground Forum - Message Index</A> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:08:14 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/9/2003 9:35:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time, plawson@webleyweb.com writes: > So, who's watching HL on TNN? I'll confess I'm watching, even though I > own all the tapes. Not sure why, but there's something different about the > experience of watching a broadcast I am. Most days anyway. Does wonder for my treadmill time. Have tapes and even season 1 DVDs but there is nothing quite like watching it knowing you are doing so with other HL fans and that you can go online and talk about it/him all over again :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:30:13 -0400 From: Peggie Gannon <pgannon@optonline.net> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Link wouldn't work, got a 404 message. Is something missing from the link? Peggie ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dotiran@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L > In a message dated 5/9/2003 6:38:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com writes: > > > Where is the Holyground forum? > > <A HREF="http://www.holygroundforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi">Holyground Forum - Message Index</A> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:00:57 -0400 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Avenging Angel First , some spoiler spaces..... > > Ha! Ha! We don't need no stinkin' spoiler spaces!!!!!! One of my favorite early episodes! Martin Kemp chewing the scenery! Tessa all righteous over her friend's career choice! Duncan surfing the web with no telephone connection! The friend's non-existent French accent! Cahill coming back from the dead with the knife still stuck in his heart! No Richie! Cahill being an expert swordsman with no training! And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground! Wendy(This List isn't dead.)(It's just stunned.) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:01:35 -0700 From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L i agree...have found that to be true with other shows as well. And I'm loving the experience of seeing it all for the first time. Someone said it would be a fun ride and it certainly is. Even if the Eurominutes aren't there and if TNN has probably cut minutes here and there to ad more commercials. I've been taping...two sets actually. I have a cable-deprived friend who's a big HL fan and so I tape my copy in the afternoon, then program the VCR for the second run. I just hope I don't wear the darn thing out LOL. I end up almost wishing I could get two eps or even more a day LOL....I'm beginning to dislike going two days without my fix every weekend and even one a day just doesn't seem enough any more LOL. Mel, who's just glad it's not on at the same time as anything mom watches or we'd be constantly arguing the way we were when I was trying to tape Forever Knight LOL. > > I am. Most days anyway. Does wonder for my treadmill > time. Have tapes and > even season 1 DVDs but there is nothing quite like > watching it knowing you > are doing so with other HL fans and that you can go > online and talk about > it/him all over again :) ===== FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan Forever Knight: The show that gives new meaning to the phrase "Take a bite out of crime" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:46:01 -0700 From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Avenging Angel > > Duncan surfing the web with no telephone connection! > I didn't notice that for some reason LOL > No Richie! Yeah, where was he during this ep? I wonder.... > > Cahill being an expert swordsman with no training! > Now that I did notice after reading your post and thinking about it. > And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy > Ground! > I didn't realize that until you posted it. How'd he get away with that? It's like in The Lady and the Tiger two days ago. It seemed to me an awful lot like Mac and Amanda were ganging up on Piton, which is against the one on one rule. Wierd. Mel ===== FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan Forever Knight: The show that gives new meaning to the phrase "Take a bite out of crime" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 23:47:17 -0500 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Ahem. I have something to say. HIGHLA-L and HLFIC-L are NOT DEAD! I am the list owner of both lists and I am still here and I am still running things. Adam Beberg has simple been maintaining an archive of the two lists. I read everything that is posted and I enjoy most of it. I've never been one to post much, as those of you have have been around most (or all) of the almost ten years (August 11th, 1993 is date HIGHLA-L was started) can attest. Adam, I would like to talk to you off-line about the archives and purchasing the domain highlander.org from you. As it happens I just upgraded my entire setup and I have the capability finally to host this myself. -Debbie (List Goddess) -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:47:06 EDT From: JenG519@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L <<So, who's watching HL on TNN?=A0=A0 I'll confess I'm watching, even though= I own all the tapes.=A0 Not sure why, but there's something different about th= e experience of watching a broadcast.=A0=A0 It's been several years since I watched HL and I'm finding the experience nostalgic. =A0 =A0=A0 Pat L.>> I like to pretend that it's still on tv for the first time :-) Just in=20 summer reruns! It's true! Can't wait for season 7!!! ::sigh:: -Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:51:34 EDT From: JenG519@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L <<as those of you have have been around most (or all) of the almost ten years (August 11th, 1993 is date HIGHLA-L was started) >> OMG! I joined the list when you guys were saying "five years"....I can't believe I've been here that long. Anyway, HOORAY FOR DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!! Our Hero :-) -Jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:33:23 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Lisa wrote: >It is my geezerly opinion that no one but Debbie can declare this list dead. Exactly. But I think quite a few people who posted misunderstood what Adam was trying to say. He wasn't saying that HIGHLA-L should be shut down, he was saying that, in his opinion, HLFIC-L (the fiction list) was dead because few people were posting to it. As Lisa said, only Debbie can call it a day on HIGHLA-L (or HLFIC-L) and many of us will be here until the very hour she does that. >{[planting flag pole firmly}}{{dragging over lawn chair and mixing up >a nice batch of fruity drinks}} >{{whapping Marina for old time's sake}} {{Sitting down next to Liser and waving flag and flagpole threateningly}} If the anti-Richie fans, the anti-slash fans {{waves flag at Nina}} and the anti-anthing-that-is-fun fans couldn't get rid of me, one person declaring a list dead won't do it either. Richie and HIGHLA-L forever (so there) - Marina. \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:33:24 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: Avenging Angel Wendy wrote: >No Richie! I knew there was a reason I didn't like this episode. >And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground! It was NOT holy ground, Wendy. It was some Templar shrine. I have a shrine to Richie in my house. That doesn't make it holy ground. >(This List isn't dead.)(It's just stunned.) Yes, that's it! Adam stunned it just as it was waking up! Remarkable list, this HIGHLA-L. Beautiful listees! - Marina (who'd better stop before she gets to the part about pining for the fjords. I mean highlands!) \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:10:11 +0000 From: beccaelizabeth <r.day@netcom.co.uk> Subject: Re: Avenging Angel > > No Richie! > > Yeah, where was he during this ep? I wonder.... Amsterdam was said possibilities... beccaelizabeth http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4212 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:42:28 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/9/2003 10:31:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time, pgannon@optonline.net writes: > Link wouldn't work, got a 404 message. Is something missing from the link? > Nope, just used it myself minute ago <A HREF="http://www.holygroundforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi">Holyground Forum - Message Index</A> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:44:05 -0400 From: Peggie Gannon <pgannon@optonline.net> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Got in by dropping everything after the .net....thanks! I haven't been here in years! Peggie ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dotiran@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L > In a message dated 5/9/2003 10:31:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > pgannon@optonline.net writes: > > > Link wouldn't work, got a 404 message. Is something missing from the link? > > > Nope, just used it myself minute ago > <A HREF="http://www.holygroundforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi">Holyground Forum - Message Index</A> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:49:11 EDT From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L hi I don't get TNN but I do watch the tapes and Dvd's. The Second season should be out in a month Or two. FK is finally coming to Dvd's No date yet that I could find. The Highlander chat room is still there. Tuesday's 10-11 PM Wednesday 10-11pm and Thursday 10-12 (EST) we even still talk Highlander sometimes, Mary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:45:46 -0400 From: Becky Doland <becky@beckyjo.com> Subject: Re: Avenging Angel > No Richie! Small consolation...still 39 more episodes until Methos. > And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground! Nah, the Templars were only holy in their own minds. That don't count. ~ Becky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:34:32 -0400 From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net> Subject: Re: Avenging Angel > One of my favorite early episodes! > > Martin Kemp chewing the scenery! > > Tessa all righteous over her friend's career choice! > And she living in sin! > Duncan surfing the web with no telephone connection! > I thought we decided that was a wireless phone card. Ooops. Wait. Did they have those 10 years ago? > The friend's non-existent French accent! > They stopped on the way back and picked up a cours - er- wrong ep. sorry. > Cahill coming back from the dead with the knife still stuck in his heart! > Duncan did that too in Shadows. > No Richie! > Ah, but he was in Lady and the Tiger a few nights back. > Cahill being an expert swordsman with no training! > He washed out of Special Forces, remember? I'm sure that involves training with axe and sword. Also mace and spear. > And, of course, Duncan killing Cahill on Holy Ground! > WAS NOT! IT WAS A MUSEUM! Besides, the Templars were excommunicated by (at least one branch of) the RCC, so even if it was formerly holy ground, it was no longer HG. ::: cantering across List on three-legged very smelly steed named "How does holy ground get decommissioned?" ::: > Wendy(This List isn't dead.)(It's just stunned.) Well, you always said you'd be the one to turn out the lights. ZK (don't forget the dead ferret hanging down Duncan's back)(And the best scene in the ep - Duncan and Tessa running through the pigeons :::: sniffle ::::) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:40:05 -0400 From: KLZ3 <KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L > Mel, who doesn't really want to see Tessa go,because > she and Mac are so nice together. > ::::: boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng! ::::: I know. Why can't TV shows portray an intact, mature, loving relationship that doesn't end with someone dying? ZK (Now where did I put that Maggot-B-Gon?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:35:54 EDT From: Brian Smith <ShadowPK@aol.com> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/10/03 12:43:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KZIMMERMAN3@cox.net writes: > ::::: boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng! ::::: > > I know. Why can't TV shows portray an intact, mature, loving > relationship that doesn't end with someone dying? > > Am I in the minority that thought the show vastly improved the minute she was gone? As far as Richie goes, my main gripe with him was the fact that he's portrayed as the stereotypical "annoying character" 98% of the time. Y'know, the whining sidekick kind? Personally, my favorite supporting cast Duncan ever had was when Methos and Joe were regularly appearing. Bri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:45:50 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L ZK wrote: >(Now where did I put that Maggot-B-Gon?) Speaking of which, Wendy, did you ever finish the DHFAQ to include all the episodes? It's my favourite piece of writing related to HL, and it's not even fanfic. {{Makes faces at Nina.}} You used to have it at your site, but the URL I had doesn't work anymore. What gives? - Marina. \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:53:01 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Bri wrote: >Am I in the minority that thought the show vastly improved the minute she was >gone? As far as Richie goes, my main gripe with him was the fact that he's >portrayed as the stereotypical "annoying character" 98% of the time. Y'know, >the whining sidekick kind? Personally, my favorite supporting cast Duncan >ever had was when Methos and Joe were regularly appearing. *Whap* *whap* *whap* (Just for old times' sake, you know.) Actually, I don't think you're far wrong. But I think HL with Tessa and HL without Tessa were two completely different shows. Richie was meant to be the sidekick, so he was pretty peripheral the whole time (but that doesn't stop me from loving him still). And when Methos came on the scene, I think a lot of fans suddenly thought that the show was the Methos show, not a show about Duncan. And there's no doubt that Methos did inject some life into the show. *But the show wasn't about Methos.* It also wasn't about Richie, or Joe. It was about Duncan. And if TPTB were more interested in the character of Methos, they should have made a show with him instead of Amanda or that awful fourth movie. - Marina. \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:56:30 EDT From: Brian Smith <ShadowPK@aol.com> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/10/03 1:52:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tmar@sifl.iid.co.za writes: > And if TPTB were more > interested in the character of Methos, they should have made a > show with him instead of Amanda or that awful fourth movie. > The Amanda show was definately a wash, and I like the character too. The fourth movie was indeed pretty awful, just like ALL the sequels, but I for one thought the fight with Duncan and that Oriental (name escapes me) was worth the price of admission alone. Bri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:58:01 EDT From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L In a message dated 5/10/2003 12:36:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ShadowPK@aol.com writes: > Am I in the minority that thought the show vastly improved the minute she > was > gone? Yes *grin* Not only was she the best thing that ever happened to Mac, but my husband lost all interest in the show after there was no more Tessa. [has a "thing" for AV] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:11:52 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Highlander moment Had to mention this. Three days ago a guy walked into a Shoprite supermarket (South African chain store) and chopped off his own head with a meat saw. My first thought, of course, was, "So that's how an Immortal commits suicide." - Marina. \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:19:29 -0400 From: Peggie Gannon <pgannon@optonline.net> Subject: Re: Highlander moment Sick! Very Sick! (But absolutely hilarious!!!!!!) Peggie ;-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Bailey" <tmar@SIFL.IID.CO.ZA> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Highlander moment > Had to mention this. > > Three days ago a guy walked into a Shoprite supermarket > (South African chain store) and chopped off his own head > with a meat saw. > > My first thought, of course, was, "So that's how an > Immortal commits suicide." > > - Marina. > > \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // > // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ > \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // > //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ > > "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about > the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:52:17 +0200 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za> Subject: Re: DISCUSS: Future of HLFIC-L and HIGHLA-L Bri wrote: >The Amanda show was definately a wash, and I like the character too. The >fourth movie was indeed pretty awful, just like ALL the sequels, but I for >one thought the fight with Duncan and that Oriental (name escapes me) was >worth the price of admission alone. Have to agree with you there. Somebody made a comment after seeing it that there was "too much kung fu". Blasphemy, I tell ya. You can *never* have too much kung fu in a movie! :) - Marina. \\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // // you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\ \\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\ "It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about the forum on his fansite. ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 9 May 2003 to 10 May 2003 - Special issue (#2003-71) *****************************************************************************