HIGHLA-L Digest - 5 Jan 2003 to 6 Jan 2003 (#2003-2)
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Topics of the day:
1. About those bodies... (8)
2. About those bodies...and other related industries
3. Actor sighting (3)
4. Reair....Re: Actor sighting
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:16:45 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
At 09:35 PM 01/05/03, MacWestie wrote:
>Darius was creamated? So, it wasn't exactly _ashes_ that DM dumped into
>the Seine....
OK.. I'm confused. Why wouldn't it be Ashes that Duncan dumped into the
Seine. Ashes are what you get when a person is cremated... right?
I think the Immie's cleaned up after themselves. To the victor goes the
spoils.. or something like that. It's part of what made life as an immie
horrible. The fighting to the death was horrible enough; but they weren't
able to relish the victory, take a deep breath and be happy to have
survived, because they have to immediately tend to the gory clean-up
afterwards. That just makes it all the more gruesome. A horrible way to live.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:57:01 -0800
From: mama bear <parisrose_2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...and other related industries
MacWestie <mac.westie@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
Pat--
> I agree it's possible the watchers owned funeral parlors. That may be
how
> Duncan got Darius creamated.
Darius was creamated? So, it wasn't exactly _ashes_ that DM dumped into the
Seine....
> That doesn't solve the problem in most cases. Until very recently the
> watchers were a secret organization. What did Duncan do before he met
> Joe? How did John deal with Rebecca's remains?
I don't think the Watchers clean up after the Immie battles--doing so would
have blown the organization's cover ages ago.
...And i've been wondering about the specially tailored clothes - like long summer weight dusters so that one can access that katana space - there must be a whole underground network of support industries whose function is to supply immies with all sorts of needed supplies and services.. Like sword polish in large quantities.
Parisrose
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:33:31 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
>>Darius was creamated? So, it wasn't exactly _ashes_ that DM dumped into
>>the Seine....
>OK.. I'm confused. Why wouldn't it be Ashes that Duncan dumped into the
>Seine. Ashes are what you get when a person is cremated... right?
I think Nina was making fun of the spelling of "cremated" (as
"CREAMated").
>I think the Immie's cleaned up after themselves. To the victor goes the
>spoils.. or something like that.
I always figured that an immie just left the body lying around since
the Seacouver/Paris cops are really dense. But if a friend got killed,
they'd try to claim the body once it had been taken to the morgue. I
figure, like Methos, most immies have paperwork to cover every
eventuality (or can forge documents really well). So, Duncan could
have shown up with documents to show that he was Darius's brother or
son or long-lost cousin or something.
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 05:14:28 -0500
From: SenseiRob@aol.com
Subject: Actor sighting
Adrian Paul was on WB's "Charmed" last night as Jeric, an Egyptian (or guy well-versed in Egyptian lore) trying to resurrect his dead career, oops, I meant *girlfriend* by transferring her spirit into a succession of Witches.
He did look pretty good -- the role wasn't a meaty one, since we're talking "Charmed" here, but then again, it was better than 98% of the entire "Tracker" series.
Could have been worse - he could have gotten the vampire role Elizabeth Gracen had on "Charmed" this past year...
Rob (Told my wife we should have watched "The Simpsons", but nooo!) (Alyssa Milano in a bikini?) (Been there, done that, have the T-shirt... whoops, no, she took it off again)
SenseiRob@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 02:52:33 -0800
From: Aimer <aimer@warewolf.net>
Subject: Reair....Re: Actor sighting
Charmed usually reairs on TNT at 10pm on Tues. for anyone who missed it
(like me) -Aimer
At 05:14 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Adrian Paul was on WB's "Charmed" last night as Jeric, an Egyptian (or guy
>well-versed in Egyptian lore) trying to resurrect his dead career, oops, I
>meant *girlfriend* by transferring her spirit into a succession of Witches.
>
>He did look pretty good -- the role wasn't a meaty one, since we're
>talking "Charmed" here, but then again, it was better than 98% of the
>entire "Tracker" series.
>
>Could have been worse - he could have gotten the vampire role Elizabeth
>Gracen had on "Charmed" this past year...
>
>Rob (Told my wife we should have watched "The Simpsons", but nooo!)
>(Alyssa Milano in a bikini?) (Been there, done that, have the T-shirt...
>whoops, no, she took it off again)
>SenseiRob@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:34:24 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
At 01:33 AM 01/06/03, Marina Bailey wrote:
>I think Nina was making fun of the spelling of "cremated" (as
>"CREAMated").
Oh! Duh! I left my humor detector in the drawer. :L-)
-- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:22:13 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: Re: Actor sighting
In a message dated 1/6/2003 5:15:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SenseiRob@aol.com writes:
> He did look pretty good
You *do* specialize in understatement.
I find Charmed, on the whole, a very silly show [please don't throw things],
but to ssee AP in his post -Paper Stone Scissors- shorter -spikey hairdo
[though thankfully back to its dark color, not the blond he had for that
movie] was to see a man looking more youthful than ever. [maybe he *is*
immortal].
And it *was* prime time so the exposure can't hurt.
(Agreeing on the better role needed thing.)
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:06:51 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
So...what might actually make an "evil" Kimmie evil is...he won't clean up
after himself, when he takes a Quickening.
Leah
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:46:51 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
I asked how Immortals managed to get their dead beheaded friends buried in modern times.
Mary replied:
> I think the watchers who owned a funeral parlor here and there. They need
>toearn money.. Joe owned the book store then the bar.
Even if that were true..and I tend to think *not*... how would the Immortal know which funeral home to approach? Would the Watcher funeral homes hang out shingles that said "Beheaded bodies our specialty"? I suppose there could be an word-of-mouth kind of thing..but most Immortals don't have that many friends that they would hang out in bars world-wide and pass along tips about burying Beloved Not-So-Immortals.
Nina adds:
>It all ties into the deeply stupid law enforcement officials who MUST be
>employed in Seacouver & Paris (as well as in Sunnydale). The problem isn't
>that the people who do the necessaries re: death & burial wouldn't handle
>beheaded bodies--the problem is that they would routinely report it all to
>the cops....who must be deeply stupid never to check into the
>circumstances.
Yes, there would be two issues. 1) explaining to the funeral director why you had a two-piece corpse in the trunk of your car and 2) keeping him from calling the cops. I prefer to keep my explanations as real world as possible so as not to drag myself out of the story. The "stupid cop" assumption always grated ..to add stupid/unscrupulous funeral directors to it makes it grate more.
In retrospect, it would have been better to have Rebecca and Richie buried somewhere "private"...rather than in public cemeteries. We could have seen Rebecca buried in the woods of her estate..Richie buried on the Watcher's estate..something. Buffy ended up buried in the woods the last time she died.
Marina suggests:
>But if a friend got killed,
>they'd try to claim the body once it had been taken to the morgue. I
>figure, like Methos, most immies have paperwork to cover every
>eventuality (or can forge documents really well). So, Duncan could
>have shown up with documents to show that he was Darius's brother or
>son or long-lost cousin or something.
A possibility, I suppose. Although one would have to be careful how often one claimed a body. I know...I know..stupid police..but it stretches credibility (even more than the whole idea of Immortals running around) to think that the same small group of people would always be showing up to claim beheaded bodies - at the same time there were many other beheaded bodies being left unclaimed around town. Someone would have to begin to see a connection ...
Me:
>> No, I'm not some mewling newbie..but this issue still bothers me after 10
>years <g>
Nina:
>Katana-space be damned--I confess to STILL wondering how Immies sit down so
>confidently in their sword-carrying coats.
Having tried to move around in a long coat with a katana hidden inside, I'd say they were at constant risk of clanging against furniture, cutting themselves, or goosing a passing stranger <eg>
Wendy(How many bodies did Duncan have to dispose of in 6 years?)(50?)(75?)(He must have his own personal black hole of Calcutta.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:30:19 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
This discussion about bodies and sword-hiding in coats made me think
of this post from about 1995:
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Subj: Re: "Magic Pockets"
Stephen wrote:
> Well I talked to Adrian Paul on AOL and I asked him the question a few
>of you wanted to know "when you wear the short jacket where do you hide the
>sword" well much to my suprise he said "up my butt :)" (reffering to his
>butt). Well if that is where the "magic pockets" are I don't want one. I also
>would think that this might effect his ability to move. And whatever you do
>don't miss when you put it back in <G>. No wonder the cops never find the
>sword, it is in the only place they wouldn't look. To think I always though
>actors had it easy.
[snip]
And to think, we were right all along. My HL friends and I have
coined the phrase "show you the magic pocket" for when we are upset with
someone. It gets the point across well. ;) Can you imagine being shown the
magic pocket for the first time...? "Bend over and take a deep breath,
Richie, this'll only hurt for a second..."
-Caile/Colleen who has been awake for
too darn long.......
[Then somebody posted a follow up that said, "And can you imagine the
reaction of the first Immortal he told about it?"
"You put it WHERE? Get the hell away from me!!"]
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*Snicker* Sorry. :) (No, I don't keep every message posted, just the
amusing ones.)
>...one would have to be careful how often one claimed a body. I know...
>I know..stupid police..but it stretches credibility (even more than the
>whole idea of Immortals running around) to think that the same small group
>of people would always be showing up to claim beheaded bodies - at the same
>time there were many other beheaded bodies being left unclaimed around
>town. Someone would have to begin to see a connection ...
I don't think the immie would necessarily have to be the same "person"
every time. They could effect disguises and turn up as many different
people. Or get their friends to help. Whatever.
I personally would have liked it if a mortal cop had figured it out
and then agreed to keep quiet or become a Watcher because of it. (Not
become a cop after being a Watcher - we saw that one.) Inspector Lebrun
was pretty close - what did you write, Wendy? "All his best work was in
the EuroMinutes. Which makes sense since he was European." Heh heh.
And speaking of which, what was Matthew McCormick doing with the FBI
in "Run for Your Life"? Using the FBI as a way to keep track of
Immortals? Making up stories about serial killers being loose in
cities that had lots of Immortal duels (thus earning that "serial
killer guy" rep)? Just hanging out solving crimes as a way to pass
the time? Taking a break from neurotic designers in Manhattan?
- Marina.
\\ "I think somewhere on the road to reality, ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// you took a left turn." - Nowhere Man || R I C H I E >> \\
\\====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie==|| \\
"It's Lord of the Flies in there!" - Josh; 'The West Wing'; about
the forum on his fansite.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:52:51 -0500
From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
>Mary replied:
>> I think the watchers who owned a funeral parlor here and there. They need
>>toearn money.. Joe owned the book store then the bar.
Wendy:
>Even if that were true..and I tend to think *not*... how would the
>Immortal know which funeral home to approach? Would the Watcher
>funeral homes hang out shingles that said "Beheaded bodies our
>specialty"? I suppose there could be an word-of-mouth kind of
>thing..but most Immortals don't have that many friends that they
>would hang out in bars world-wide and pass along tips about burying
>Beloved Not-So-Immortals.
I think I read a fic once where it (disposing of bodies) was actually
part of the duty of any given Watcher. That is, Duncan's Watcher had
to dig a hole 6 feet deep before he filed his report for the night.
It's an interesting notion--and certainly puts a different spin on
the concept of Watchers--but I think it's inherently flawed by the
supposition that the immortals never wonder what happens to the
bodies. If they did (wonder), the Watchers would have been found out
long before they were, I think.
Liser
--
Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net
--
The difference between truth and fiction: fiction has to make sense
--Mark Twain
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:44:03 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Actor sighting
Rob--
>>>the role wasn't a meaty one, since we're talking "Charmed" here, but then
again, it was better than 98% of the entire "Tracker" series.>>>
Sad, but nearly true. Yet, Sci Fi's current ads for Tracker make the show
look, well, interesting. Of course, Sci Fi's a bunch of cheap, lying,
dren-sucking morons, so....
Rottie--
> I find Charmed, on the whole, a very silly show
Me, too. I have, though, seen all the eps now, thanks to TNT; a few are
pretty good, but lately they've gotten very thin, & this one was clearly
missing large chunks of stuff--plot, characterization, dialogue--that
apparently got replaced w/ nubile cavorting.
> was to see a man looking more youthful than ever. [maybe he *is*
> immortal].
I thought he looked distressingly old here. (Selfish on my part, since we
are of an age. And it's not a nubile one.)
> And it *was* prime time so the exposure can't hurt.
But, it's the WB.... This was a lot like AP's Relic Hunter appearance a
while back. What did THAT do for his career? I've about given up ever
seeing him in a "real" role--as Pres. Bartlett's new speech writer, for
instance.
Nina
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:44:58 -1000
From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: About those bodies...
me before--
> >It all ties into the deeply stupid law enforcement officials who MUST be
> >employed in Seacouver & Paris (as well as in Sunnydale). The problem
isn't
> >that the people who do the necessaries re: death & burial wouldn't handle
> >beheaded bodies--the problem is that they would routinely report it all
to
> >the cops....who must be deeply stupid never to check into the
> >circumstances.
Wendy--
> >>Yes, there would be two issues. 1) explaining to the funeral director
why you had a two-piece corpse in the trunk of your car and 2) keeping him
from calling the cops. I prefer to keep my explanations as real world as
possible so as not to drag myself out of the story. The "stupid cop"
assumption always grated ..to add stupid/unscrupulous funeral directors to
it makes it grate more.>>>
I don't see it that way. Why would the Immies _need_ to lie to or bribe
funeral directors? I really doubt BH'd bodies would cause much of a stir at
the mortuary; it's got to be pretty tough to ick out a mortician (though I
for one learned the hard way not to have my nightly ice cream fix during
CSI). And, if they do become suspicious--so what? They aren't likely to
refuse to take Duncan's money just because he's such a good customer. All
they can do is chat w/ the cops about the peculiar state of his
drop-offs--which common sense & surely the laws in most countries about
reporting violent deaths would have them doing anyway. So, we're just back
to the "deeply stupid cops" thing. Considering all else the officials (in
several countries & over many centuries) failed to notice in the HL
universe, this isn't out of line.
But, then, the Immies failed to notice all those loitering Watchers for
centuries....
> Wendy(How many bodies did Duncan have to dispose of in 6
years?)(50?)(75?)(He must have his own personal black
> hole of Calcutta.)
Which would be a good place to stick AP's recent acting endeavors, I'm sad
to say.
Nina
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