There are 27 messages totalling 845 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. various replies (21) 2. DVDs 3. Highlander The Series (5) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:11:41 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: various replies > >> Lynn-- > >> Call me crazy. > > > Done. > > It's a lot more polite than the adjective which most accurately describes you, Nina. > > Lynn Now, now. Just trying to follow your orders, Lynn. Did you really think SOMEONE here wouldn't oblige & take you up on that humongous opening? (As well as the scads of others who just THOUGHT it.) And, do you need help w/ your email blocking commands? Nina (Who wonders if Lynn ALREADY adores HL5 sight unseen. Though going by DPP's track record, sight unseen is HL5's best chance at accolades.) mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape/Frell SciFi Channel http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:34:18 EST From: EllnT@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies In a message dated 11/13/02 4:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kamil@cox.net writes: > Wow. A few minutes only, huh? I wish I were that perceptive. Usually I > can't tell if a teevee ep or a movie is good, bad, or indifferent > My Point is made, thank you. Is anyone wondering why the quality of entertainment is down the toilet? Maybe we all ought to be more demanding by not paying for no quality. You've heard "follow the money"...be discriminating walk out or tune out and they'll raise the level. You'll never get it if they know you'll pay for garbage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:37:40 -0800 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: various replies From: "MacWestie" <mac.westie@VERIZON.NET> > > >> Lynn-- > > >> Call me crazy. > > > > > Done. > > > > It's a lot more polite than the adjective which most accurately describes > you, Nina. > > > > Lynn > > Now, now. Just trying to follow your orders, Lynn. Did you really think > SOMEONE here wouldn't oblige & take you up on that humongous opening? I could say exactly the same. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, eventually someone is going to point out that you are, indeed, a duck. > (As > well as the scads of others who just THOUGHT it.) Given my personal email since I last posted, you really don't want to know what quite a few people on this list think of you. You might think you are amusing. You're not. You're just rude, hostile, and a... duck. > And, do you need help w/ your email blocking commands? Nope. Works just fine -- when I'm at home, which spares me from most of your nasty, uninformed tripe. Unfortunately no filters on the web interface I'm using today. Big thumbs down on the web interface. Lynn (Done now. I believe in the adage "let the Wookie win," and besides, I have better things to do. The Wookie, obviously, does not.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:37:37 -0600 From: Kamil <kamil@cox.net> Subject: Re: various replies On Behalf Of EllnT@aol.com In a message dated 11/13/02 4:32:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kamil@cox.netted writes: > >Wow. A few minutes only, huh? I wish I were that perceptive. Usually I > >can't tell if a teevee ep or a movie is good, bad, or indifferent > My Point is made, thank you. Yeah, it's easy to do that when you snip most of one's opponent's comments, isn't it? But far be it from me to make you think about your snap-judgment assessment of all things artistic -- you're obviously quite happy deciding on the merits of an hour and a half to three hour artistic endeavor in a few minutes only -- and I'm more than happy to leave you with that, and am quite sure that as a result, you're getting exactly what you deserve in your entertainment choices. -- Kamil Xander: "When I'm marveling at the immaturity, be scared." "Bargaining" BtVS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:44:42 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: various replies Lynn-- > I could say exactly the same. If you walk like a duck and quack like a > duck, eventually someone is going to point out that you are, indeed, a duck. OK--if we're picking on the animal kingdom now, then you are, indeed, a ... hmmm... cow. At least ducks are cute & fluffy, though admitedly they have a tendency to poop on the shoes of those feeding them. Still--it's far better than what cows tend to deposit. Lynn-- > Given my personal email since I last posted, Oh, dear--dragging out the "my personal email" card? It's a bit limp. > Lynn (Done now. Quack-quack! Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape/Frell SciFi Channel http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:53:33 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: various replies > Is anyone wondering why the quality of entertainment is down the toilet? > Maybe we all ought to be more demanding by not paying for no quality. You've > heard "follow the money"...be discriminating walk out or tune out and they'll > raise the level. You'll never get it if they know you'll pay for garbage. Which reminds me of those who demanded we all go to see Endgame twice a day everyday it was in theaters, even if we hated it, just so DPP would be encouraged to make another HL film that _might_ be worth watching. I recall people even seriously suggesting that "real" HL fans should buy a dozen tickets when attending alone--to boost box office. Guess it worked. Except for the fact that the phrase "HL5" strikes fear in the hearts of so many HL fans ("real" or not), rather than sweet anticipation. Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape/Frell SciFi Channel http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:42:05 EST From: Bizarro7@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies > Lynn-- > > I could say exactly the same. If you walk like a duck and quack like a > > duck, eventually someone is going to point out that you are, indeed, a > duck<< > > It would be more appropriate to specify a NeNe here; a mostly extinct > Hawaiian goose. > > Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:16:09 -0500 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Re: various replies Laurie said of HL-Endgame: >Totally! It was not only bad story telling but it was totally w/o out >the class and soul of most of the series eps. I saw a few moments only >late one night when I could not sleep and turned it off in disgust. Lynn said: >If you only watched "a few moments only" then how could you possibly >reach a conclusion... oh, never mind. I should know better by now. > >Call me crazy. I usually watch/read/listen to more than a fraction of 1% of something before deciding it sucks. Kamil agrees: >Wow. A few minutes only, huh? I wish I were that perceptive. Usually I >can't tell if a teevee ep or a movie is good, bad, or indifferent >without watching at least two-thirds of the thing -- must be some kind >of prophetic skills thing you have going on there. > >Have you considered applying to work for Ms. Cleo? Sounds like you'd be >right up her alley. Several points: How does Laurie define "a few moments"? 5 seconds? 1 minute? 5 minutes? 15 minutes? Her "few moments" may have been a throw-away phrase that actually means only that she watched less than the entire movie. If she found it, as she says "totally w/o out the class and soul of most of the series eps", I'd suggest that she saw more than a few seconds of the movie. Maybe Laurie would care to tell us what she *did* see? Second, depending on what "few moments" one sees of a program, a small sampling might be sufficient. A few minutes watching Ozzy Osbourne walk around his kitchen saying f**k and picking up dog crap was all I needed to tell me that "The Osbournes" wasn't something I'd want to watch more of. While I'm all for giving things a fair trial, sometimes your first impression is correct. Endgame had some moments of hideous acting (any time Kell was on screen, for example) and some wicked awful writing/directing/editing/whomever-we-want-to-blame. It didn't take long for a lot of us to decide that the 89 minutes we sat in the theatre were wasted. And, as an aside, I join those who are appalled that D/P are already marketing cheesy merchandise for the new "HL-Source" movie when the odds that such a creature will ever actually appear have to be long. Either it's free advertising for an upcoming feature or it's a trial balloon to show investors that fan interest remains for another movie. In either case, bleech! Wendy (Who'd want to watch four extremely vapid-but-buff young Immortals cavort on the screen searching for a mythical Source?)(Wait.)(Cavort?)(Four extremely pretty/handsome Immortals having hotsweatynakedsex in exotic :::Hungarian::: locales?)(There could be some merit to that idea.) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:23:10 EST From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies From: "MacWestie" <mac.westie@VERIZON.NET> > > >> Lynn-- > > >> Call me crazy. > > > > > Done. > > > > It's a lot more polite than the adjective which most accurately describes > you, Nina. > > > > Lynn > > Now, now. Just trying to follow your orders, Lynn. Did you really think > SOMEONE here wouldn't oblige & take you up on that humongous opening? <I could say exactly the same. If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, eventually someone is going to point out that you are, indeed, a duck.> > (As > well as the scads of others who just THOUGHT it.) <Given my personal email since I last posted, you really don't want to know what quite a few people on this list think of you. You might think you are <amusing. You're not. You're just rude, hostile, and a... duck.> > And, do you need help w/ your email blocking commands? <Nope. Works just fine -- when I'm at home, which spares me from most of your nasty, uninformed tripe. Unfortunately no filters on the web interface I'm using today. Big thumbs down on the web interface.> <Lynn (Done now. I believe in the adage "let the Wookie win," and besides, I have better things to do. The Wookie, obviously, does not.)> Wow Well done Lynn !! Bravo!!!. Been trying to think of the words to post in response. You said it better than I could ever. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:28:46 -0500 From: L Cameron-Norfleet <cgliser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: various replies <whiney moan> Can't we all just get along?!</whiney moan> Liser (where the hell is Janine? I have a sudden urge to kiss her on the mouth and shower the CD with olive branches) -- Lisa Cameron-Norfleet ** cgliser@earthlink.net -- Guinness is my anti-drug. -Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:11:05 EST From: Ashton7@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies In a message dated 11/14/2002 11:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgliser@earthlink.net writes: > <whiney moan> Can't we all just get along?!</whiney moan> > > Liser > (where the hell is Janine? I have a sudden urge to kiss her on the > mouth and shower the CD with olive branches) The short answer? No. Obviously not. <g> Nice to see you, Liser. Annie Welcome Home Daniel Jackson and Michael Shanks! Stargate Season 7: Seventh Heaven! Thank you MGM, SciFi and Bridge Studios! **************** Stargate Solutions: http://www.savedanieljackson.com Ashton Press: http://ashtonpress.net/ Fan Fiction: http://fanfic.ashtonpress.net/ Fanzines: http://fanzines.ashtonpress.net/ Gateway, A Stargate Slash Discussion/Fiction Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gateway/join ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:20:21 -0500 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: Re: various replies Liser says: >(where the hell is Janine? I have a sudden urge to kiss her on the >mouth Shouldn't this have a SAME SEX warning on it <eg> Wendy (If Duncan were an animal ...would be be a cow or a duck?)(And..no..this wasn't intended to start a roll call.) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:05:09 -0000 From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: various replies > <whiney moan> Can't we all just get along?!</whiney moan> > > Liser > (where the hell is Janine? I have a sudden urge to kiss her on the > mouth and shower the CD with olive branches) Come ON - it's not THAT bad.... is it? <g> Jette jette@blueyonder.co.uk "I don't care WHO started it - STOP IT NOW!!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:28:36 -0500 From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies In a message dated 11/14/2002 4:53:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, mac.westie@verizon.net writes: > Which reminds me of those who demanded we all go to see > Endgame twice a day > everyday it was in theaters, even if we hated it, I saw the movie 15 times its first weekend. Had nothing to do with BP or his future plans. Wasn't because I particularly liked the movie either. The gore factor was a major turnoff. BUT it did have Adrian Paul in all his beauteous glory and THAT I would gladly pay anything for on the big screen. Yes. oh yes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:18:39 -0500 From: Bizarro7@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies In a message dated 11/14/2002 12:28:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dotiran writes: > I saw the movie 15 times its first weekend. Had nothing to do with BP or his future plans. Wasn't because I particularly liked the movie either. The gore factor was a major turnoff. BUT it did have Adrian Paul in all his beauteous glory and THAT I would gladly pay anything for on the big screen. Yes. > oh yes You can ditto me on that and add a dose of appreciation for a full-screen Methos, as well. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:41:23 -0000 From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: various replies Sent this a few days ago, but don't think it went to entire list: ----------- >>If you only watched "a few moments only" then how could you possibly reach a conclusion... oh, never mind. I should know better by now. >>Call me crazy. I usually watch/read/listen to more than a fraction of 1% of something before deciding it sucks. >>Lynn I think it depends on which few minutes you catch. Certainly, though I make initial judgements, I'll try to see as much of a product as I can before saying an entire show sucks. But I'll fully admit to having seen some scenes in some film/shows which lead me to say 'You know, this is just too stupid/offensive/irritating for me to continue investing my time in to see IF it gets better'. (Boring and bland take a little longer) Equally I've missed out on some shows that are very popular because of that - because they increased their quality 1000%from the glimpse I got. The thing is, nowadays there are so many news shows to choose from - and a chance a favourite may be cancelled anyway - that I tend to watch a pilot show and then say 'Yup' or 'Nope' and don't look back. Though I'll give a fair chance, I can usually tell within fifteen minutes if I'm going to truly love it... John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:58:10 -0700 From: Barbara <barbara@northerntel.net> Subject: DVDs I don't know what the lowest price has been so far, but deepdiscountdvd.com has season one for 53.99, no shipping charges. And anyone who had problems with their DVDs, please e-mail me off list and let me know what happened. I'm having odd quirks, but when I rewind and replay it, it's fine, so I don't know if they really are flaws or not. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:41:24 EST From: Chris Hatfield <CMH25@aol.com> Subject: Highlander The Series Hi, I missed the last part of these discussions. Did anyone confirm whether or not the Sci-Fi Channel was bringing the series back or was that an old link on their site? Also....did I hear right that Adrian Paul is not signed to do The Source? Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:50:46 -0000 From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Highlander The Series Sci-Fi was old news, I'm afraid. As for The Source....NO-ONE is signed, despite what you may here. There's no script yet, so no casting. Chrsitophe Lambert said he wasn't wanting to do another one. Adrian Paul said he wouldn't do one unless he had more creative control. However, that would probably be wishful thinking and originally it was said there was an 'option' on him to do a second one if requested. None of us know the exact wording of that contract, but it might be interesting if tested. At this point, itcould be a moot point as the story allegedly is about a new set of Immortals. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hatfield" <CMH25@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: [HL] Highlander The Series > Hi, > I missed the last part of these discussions. Did anyone confirm whether or > not the Sci-Fi Channel was bringing the series back or was that an old link > on their site? > Also....did I hear right that Adrian Paul is not signed to do The Source? > Thanks, > Chris > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:16:14 -0500 From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: Highlander The Series On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:41:24 EST Chris Hatfield <CMH25@aol.com> wrote: > Also....did I hear right that Adrian Paul is > not signed to do The Source? > Thanks, > Chris According to what Peter Wingfield said recently (at the Reno con), Duncan is not in the most current version of the script. Nothing is set in stone and things can change (several times) before production eventually begins. Personally, I'd have little interest in a new film if none of the characters we're familiar with are included. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:27:38 EST From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies hi I still loved the movie flaws and all. I gave me back Highlander I could enjoy seeing the cast up on the big screen. Still loved the movie and will be first one in line for the next. Tired of people judging the movie before there is a script, cast. I might even like to see a new bunch of actors. We all accepted Adrian, Alex, Stan,Lizzie, Peter and Jim. Not to mention a host of others we all loved. So I will wait and judge the movie when I see it. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:33:42 -0500 From: Bizarro7@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies Heck, who knows? If they plan to put nothing but new characters/actors in the next movie, I'll give it a chance, because you never know you'll love the new ones unless you try. At some point, each and every one of us made a conscious decision to try HL for the first time, or any show or movie we became fannish over. For all I know, I'll adore one or more of the next Immortals, or hate them totally. I'll never know unless I try, and in my judgement, it's a fair risk worth taking. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:41:29 -0000 From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: various replies Happy to give the movie a chance. But yeah, it's too early to tell. Come to think of it, last time the trailer was too early to tell. (Hey maybe Adrian, Christophe, Peter and Lizzie can JUST be in the trailer and not the movie. That way we all go and see it because of the hype regardless...and because we didn't learn the lesson the first time?) John Cynical, moi? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bizarro7@aol.com> To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [HL] various replies > Heck, who knows? If they plan to put nothing but new characters/actors in the next movie, I'll give it a chance, because you never know you'll love the new ones unless you try. At some point, each and every one of us made a conscious decision to try HL for the first time, or any show or movie we became fannish over. For all I know, I'll adore one or more of the next Immortals, or hate them totally. I'll never know unless I try, and in my judgement, it's a fair risk worth taking. > > Leah > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:26:20 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Highlander The Series Lynn-- > Personally, I'd have little interest in a new film if none of the characters > we're familiar with are included. So, you recently castigated someone for promptly noticing that Endgame sucked, but you dismiss a 2-hour (wait--make that 89 minutes) creative endeavor w/o seeing a second of it. What's the difference? Nina mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape/Frell SciFi Channel http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:40:58 -1000 From: MacWestie <mac.westie@verizon.net> Subject: Re: various replies Dorothy-- >>> I saw the movie 15 times its first weekend. Had nothing to do with BP or his future plans. Wasn't because I particularly liked the movie either. The gore factor was a major turnoff. BUT it did have Adrian Paul in all his beauteous glory and THAT I would gladly pay anything for on the big screen. Yes. oh yes.>>> I, too, saw the film several times. Mostly to try getting over the dizzy-editing queasiness enough to figure out the plot or lack thereof & convince myself they really HAD screwed up re: Holy Ground. But, the AP-larger-than-life factor was a fine benefit (other than the obviously non-Immie scabbed-over cuts on his hands that no one bothered to cover), as were the music, opening credits, & a very few other things they got right. But, that's not what I meant. People were posting here & elsewhere that we should support Endgame, bad as it was, beyond all reason JUST to get another film out of the franchise. How ANYONE could think a future product would be any better is beyond me, & so far DPP is going down exactly the same path w/ HL5 as it did w/ Endgame--lots of early chatter w/o a script or cast, Dimension, etc. The WWF is probably on alert for even more involvement in HL5. 4 young & bulging (& oddly ugly in the face) Immortal _wrestlers_ search for their origins.... Mary-- > Wow Well done Lynn !! Bravo!!!. Been trying to think of the words to post > in response. You said it better than I could ever. Sheep. Leah-- > It would be more appropriate to specify a NeNe here; a mostly extinct > Hawaiian goose. It is "Nene." And the term you were looking for is "endangered." Crow. Nina (Duncan would be a jaguar, while AP would be a gaudily feathered & overly chatty parrot. Methos would be an exotic & very deadly snake. Richie would be a puppy. Tessa would be a swan. Amanda would be a dolphin. Joe would be an owl.) mac.westie@verizon.net Save Farscape/Frell SciFi Channel http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:06:29 EST From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: various replies Hi Call me sheep or anything else you want .. I still liked the movie... I see the old name calling and nastiness has returned to the site.. One wonders if you don't care about any new movies why do you care enough to post. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:15:20 -0600 From: Kamil <kamil@cox.net> Subject: Re: Highlander The Series Lynn-- > Personally, I'd have little interest in a new film if none of the characters> we're familiar with are included. So, you recently castigated someone for promptly noticing that Endgame sucked, but you dismiss a 2-hour (wait--make that 89 minutes) creative endeavor w/o seeing a second of it. What's the difference? Nina I'm certainly not speaking for Lynn, but since the question applies to me as well, I thought I'd pop in with my answer. :) I've discovered that I'm not really a Highlander Universe fan, I'm a Highlander the Series fan. I realize it's nigh upon heresy to confess to this, but the first movie was oh-so hard for me to sit through, mostly because I was snickering over the silliness of it all. And CL's acting, and the utter silliness that was the Kurgan, but that's a whole 'nother Oprah. <g> And four out of five people here will think I'm nuts now, but that's okay too. I've further discovered through (hide your eyes, Nina) reading fanfic about "the early years" of any and all characters older than Duncan that I just. don't. care. About the Immortal universe, about how and why it works the way it does; what a Quickening really is, or really does; where do the damned little things come from; is the Game real or an Immortal legend; and if there really is a Prize, what it is, etc. Soooo not interested in finding out the answers to any of these questions. Except possibly a definitive answer to the Holy Cow debate; that'd be fun. <g> For that matter, I'm not all that interested in Duncan's early years either -- other than fleshing out the flashbacks and character relationships that we were shown on screen. Tell me a story about how Duncan and Grace's affair went, why they broke it off, and I'm right there with you. Tell me a story about how Grace became Immortal, about who she was before that -- and I *so* don't care. A few folks have created new Immortals of their own -- and while I've read a few of the stories, and found them wonderfully written (Hi, Jen and Janeen!), I just can't find myself sustaining interest in someone I didn't meet on-screen -- or the early years of the ancient Immies. I'm totally enamored of the series universe and its characters -- not the concepts, the whys and wherefores of Immortality itself. So a movie about four completely new Immortals, apparently searching out answers to some of those questions I have no interest in -- not something I'm likely to be interested in seeing -- which seems to me to be more or less what Lynn said. Hence the most important part of this little post: Saying that one has no interest in something is in no way a value judgment of its artistic worth, it's a statement of personal preference about one's entertainment choices. At least from where I'm sitting it is. <g> -- Kamil "Now get off the boy, Buffy, we're going home." "Him" BtVS ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 13 Nov 2002 to 14 Nov 2002 - Special issue (#2002-199) *******************************************************************************