HIGHLA-L Digest - 6 Sep 2002 to 7 Sep 2002 (#2002-137)
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Topics of the day:
1. Highlander 5? (3)
2. Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?")) (2)
3. (OT) Another one bites the dust..... (12)
4. Highlander 5
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:07:01 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
Elaine wrote:
>I find the idea of Sam still leaping around to be very comforting, just as
>I like the idea of Duncan Macleod out there fighting the good fight and
>just not growing any older. I can just picture Macleod and Methos meeting
>for a beer every now and then and talking over old times...gives me a very
>warm feeling.
Me too; I like this idea a lot. Some series deserve a decent ending;
with others, no ending is preferable. Babylon 5 deserved an ending;
with QL, if they weren't going to send him home yet, I'd also rather
imagine him out there still doing good. BUT for them to state
categorically that "Dr. Sam Beckett NEVER returned home," was
pushing it. I'd like to think he got home someday to be with Donna
and his daughter.
I agree about Duncan. Forget the Prize or fighting so-called even
worse Immies in movies; let him continue to live as he has been,
fighting the good fight.
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:07:03 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
ZK wrote:
>(told Ritchie that, he did)
*Covers eyes* I'm not looking! I'm not looking!
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:54:16 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
> > True. Plus, why on Earth did they kill Marcus? If they were intent on
> > getting rid of somebody, why not Susan? She left anyway. And Byron?
> > Just a poor Marcus clone. (The 5th season is on TV here now for the
> > first time.)
I'm led to believe that the killing of of Marcus was actually more to do
with the complicated actor contracts at the time, which is why CC left the
show as well. But therein lies a completely different story.
John
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:10:17 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
Sooooooooo.
Farscape cancelled. Officially
Well.......frell.
John
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:26:17 -0600
From: Barbara <barbara@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
At 09/07/2002 01:10 PM +0100, John wrote:
>Sooooooooo.
>
>Farscape cancelled. Officially
>
>Well.......frell.
Likewise Witchblade.
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:55:52 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
>Farscape cancelled. Officially
>Well.......frell.
Yeah. How many seasons did it have, overall? The SABC only showed
the first season, but we can get further episodes on video, which
we have been. We're up to the third season. Did it go to a fourth?
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:13:29 -0700
From: K Perry <kperry1@cox.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marina Bailey" <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
> Yeah. How many seasons did it have, overall? The SABC only showed
> the first season, but we can get further episodes on video, which
> we have been. We're up to the third season. Did it go to a fourth?
Yes...it is officially cancelled upon completion of its fourth season.
Peace,
Katherine
Prez DDI
Digital Dyslexics of the world --UNTIE !
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right - for you'll be criticized
anyway.
You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
- Eleanor Roosevelt, (1884-1962)
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:14:31 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
On 9/7/2002, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, K Perry wrote:
>>Yes...it is officially cancelled upon completion of its fourth season.
And it was just this time last year
<http://www.farscape.com/092701.html> that SciFi channel "made a
44-episode commitment to Farscape for a fourth and fifth season." Does
anyone know what happened to that 'commitment' for a fifth season?
-Debbie (aggravated by shows that get canceled right after a
cliffhanger end-of-season episode)
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|Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org|
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:33:33 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
There was apparently a clause in the contract concerning ratings. Farscape's
rather surreal start to the season may not have helped matters. I'm a long
term fan and even I was going 'huh?'. But a little ironic this happening
only days after we started such a nice discussion on exactly this.
I am prophetic. At least I *think* that's what someone called me.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra Douglass" <ddoug@catrio.org>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> On 9/7/2002, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, K Perry wrote:
> >>Yes...it is officially cancelled upon completion of its fourth season.
>
> And it was just this time last year
> <http://www.farscape.com/092701.html> that SciFi channel "made a
> 44-episode commitment to Farscape for a fourth and fifth season." Does
> anyone know what happened to that 'commitment' for a fifth season?
>
> -Debbie (aggravated by shows that get canceled right after a
> cliffhanger end-of-season episode)
> --
> .------------------------------------------------------------------.
> |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org|
> `------------------------------------------------------------------'
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:33:04 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
> On 9/7/2002, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, K Perry wrote:
> >>Yes...it is officially cancelled upon completion of its fourth season.
>
> And it was just this time last year
> <http://www.farscape.com/092701.html> that SciFi channel "made a
> 44-episode commitment to Farscape for a fourth and fifth season." Does
> anyone know what happened to that 'commitment' for a fifth season?
Something about an "option"?
This is what was posted on one of the newsgroups
- transcript of a IRQ chat
(quoted matter under my sig if folks would prefer
to delete)
Jette Goldie
jette@blueyonder.co.uk
"If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost"
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://www.farscapeweekly.com/cancelled.htm
David Kemper, Richard Manning, and Ben Browder called a special chat in
the SCI FI Channel's #Farscape chat room to announce that SCI FI had
opted not to pick up Farscape's fifth season option.
[19:21] Each and every year, at the end of the season
[19:21] we have a chat with you,
[19:21] our slightly bent cohorts in this
[19:21] wonderful adventure,
[19:22] and we wanted this year to be no different.
[19:22] However, despite our best efforts, this year is a bitt
different from all the rest.
[19:22] In the past 24 hours, I have been
[19:22] innundated with emails and calls
[19:22] *** Barbarella sets mode: +o Pygar
[19:22] regarding rumors that are circulating
[19:22] regarding our joint passion.
[19:22] Where do we stand?
[19:23] We are two days away from shooting the last scenes
[19:23] of season 4.
[19:23] As you know, Sci Fi has picked us up
[19:23] for 4th and 5th seasons.
[19:23] However, as with everything done at a
[19:23] corporate level,
[19:24] there was an out clause built into Sci Fi's
[19:24] pickup schedule.
[19:24] As of yesterday, we were informed --
[19:24] after massive efforts by everyone at Henson
[19:24] and working on the show --
[19:24] most importantly Brian Henson
[19:24] and the 3 gentlemen
[19:24] here
[19:25] that Sci Fi was not going to exercise it's
[19:25] option to pick up the 5th season of Farscape.
[19:25] The rumors that everyone has been calling me
[19:25] about are sadly
[19:25] very sadly true.
[19:25] Tuesday will be the last time Ben dons the uniform
[19:25] of Commander John Crichton.
[19:26] We are all hugely sad.
[19:26] I am shaking as I write this.
[19:26] Yesterday, we all cried on the set.
[19:26] Yet, as we are, at the end of the line
[19:26] so to speak
[19:26] being just the people who make the show
[19:26] and not the corporate entities that fund and air it
[19:26] we are as helpless as anyone.
[19:26] And we are sad
[19:26] And we are shattered.
[19:26] And we are sorry.
[19:27] And we wanted to come online
[19:27] and talk to YOU,
[19:27] our core fans who have stood
[19:27] beside us for such a long and great journey.
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:38:33 -0600
From: Barbara <barbara@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
Someone on the Farscape list has put all info here including the chat
transcript:
http://homepage.mac.com/chryse/Guiding%20Star/Cancelled.html
>-Debbie (aggravated by shows that get canceled right after a
> cliffhanger end-of-season episode)
The cliffhanger from a week or two ago was not really the season finale. It
was ep #11 of the 4th season. The remainder is supposed to air in January.
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:41:23 -0700
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5?
From: "Ace!Miracle" <ke731458@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU>
> I was at DragonCon last weekend, and Peter David (Trek, comic,
> fantasy, scifi author) said something very interesting about Trek. What he
> sees as a problem with Trek is that it's very insular. Enterprise only
> draws on other Trek. A show like Babylon 5 truly did something different
> because not only did it draw on other scifi, but also Lord of the Rings,
> Arthurian legend, other mythologies, The Prisoner, literature, and a whole
> bunch of other stuff.
I don't really agree with this statement, nor would I think it was
necssarily a bad thing, if I did agree. Star Trek knows what kind of show
it is: science fiction. If it started diverging into LOTR territory (high
fantasy) it wouldn't be sci-fi anymore. The rules of the universe would
drastically change.
Nor do I think that's sci-fi is insular or limiting -- look how many homages
to other genres Trek has done over the years.... everything from courtroom
drama, to Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes and 40's detective stories on the
holodeck, to The Manchurian Candidate, to straightforward action-adventure
stories, to romance, to family stories, etc. etc. Look at the use of and
parallels to Shakespeare and other literary classics that have been explored
over the years.
IMO, Star Trek is at its best when it uses a simple sci-fi (or even
non-sci-fi) device to tell a compelling personal story about the characters:
The Inner Light, The Visitor, City on the Edge of Forever. Where it
becomes totally uninteresting to me is when it relies too much on the
alien-of-the-week, becomes overly preachy about an "issue" so that the
metaphor is lost and it becomes club-over-the-head territory, or insists on
going over the same ground again and again with different "outsider"
characters: Data, Odo, the Doctor/Seven. After the first couple of seasons,
Voyager practically became the Doctor/Seven show, and that's pretty much
when I stopped watching it.
Lynn
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:53:01 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <tmar@sifl.iid.co.za>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
John wrote:
>But a little ironic this happening
>only days after we started such a nice discussion on exactly this.
>I am prophetic. At least I *think* that's what someone called me.
Me too. Every show I like gets cancelled prematurely or a character
I like leaves. I thought I was unique in blaming myself for liking
shows (I really should take up watching pathetic shows and see if
they get cancelled too) that always get cancelled, but back in the
late '90s there were many people on the Forever Knight list who
went around blaming themselves for their favourite shows getting
cancelled, too.
:)
- Marina.
\\ "You've heard it said that living well is ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// the best revenge? Au contraire - living || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ forever is the best revenge." - Lacroix ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//=====Marina Bailey====tmar@sifl.iid.co.za====|| \\
\\=============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie============//
"There is a Daniel Jackson-shaped hole in that show." - My brother,
about the sixth season of Stargate SG-1.
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:15:51 -0700
From: "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
----- Original Message -----
From: MacWestie
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:36 PM
To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Qs (was-- Re: D & P's power (was" Highlander 5?"))
Hey Nina....that WAS one of mine, wasn't it? I don't know if I know the a=
nswers to them any more.....
I really need to post here more. I've only been hanging around here for 2=
1/2 years. Does that make me a PoRA(tm) or a geezer in training??? <g>
~Rennie
Trivia challenge (dating way back to HL TAG & member Rennie, I think)--
ONLY 1 QUICKENING TOOK PLACE IN THESE LOCALES--name the Immies involved &
the ep.
a. DM's loft
b. amusement park
c. airplane hangar
d. theater
e. outdoor stadium
Nina (I'll post the answers tomorrow, in case anyone's stumped)
mac.westie@verizon.net
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:31:06 -0600
From: Barbara <barbara@northerntel.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
At 09/07/2002 08:53 PM +0200, Marina Bailey wrote:
>Every show I like gets cancelled prematurely or a character
>I like leaves. I thought I was unique in blaming myself for liking
>shows that always get cancelled
Has anyone studied people like us? Seriously. Maybe there is a URL for a
research paper or essay somewhere? Ones who tend to watch sci-fi/fantasy
shows (aka shows-that-keep-getting-cancelled) rather than ordinary
shows? I have recognized listers from here on both my Farscape and
Witchblade lists so there is some sort of common thread weaving through us.
I ask this because I live in a VERY rural area and sometimes feel very
alone. Not *lonely*, but *alone* if that makes sense. I had ONE friend who
liked Highlander, more for AP than the fantasy element though and she
moved. I do not know of anyone else that shares the same interest in genre
shows as I do except for one friend of my husband's. Come to think of it,
when I lived in a very large city, it was difficult for me to find a
kindred soul. I think I really need to go to a Con someday. :)
>(I really should take up watching pathetic shows and see if
>they get cancelled too)
In that case please watch the Anna Nicole show. I don't, and probably
would not watch whatever they replace it with, but I am darned tired of
seeing the promo spots for it.
Barbara (who admits to watching Survivor though) (and thanks goodness that
24 is coming back or she would overdose on HGTV's decorating shows) (and
yes, she knows about genre shows on WB & UPN, but does not get those channels)
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:34:45 -0700
From: "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
John wrote>
There was apparently a clause in the contract concerning ratings. Farscap=
e's rather surreal start to the season may not have helped matters. I'm a=
long term fan and even I was going 'huh?'. But a little ironic this happ=
ening only days after we started such a nice discussion on exactly this.
I am prophetic. At least I *think* that's what someone called me.
John
And I say>
Well, I'm bummed! I adore Farscape (although Season 4 has been a bit odd)=
. It was really the first show since HL that caught my attention enough t=
hat my Friday nights were planned around when it was on. I hear that the =
rest of Season 4 won't be shown until January. Do you know what's behind =
that weird scheduling, John?
~Rennie
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:47:26 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
Well,it happened (to a lesser extent) last year as well.
It looks like we'll see the end of both Stargate and Farscape in the UK
ahead of the US.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "~Rennie MacWoW" <renmacwow@hotmail.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] (OT) Another one bites the dust.....
John wrote>
There was apparently a clause in the contract concerning ratings. Farscape's
rather surreal start to the season may not have helped matters. I'm a long
term fan and even I was going 'huh?'. But a little ironic this happening
only days after we started such a nice discussion on exactly this.
I am prophetic. At least I *think* that's what someone called me.
John
And I say>
Well, I'm bummed! I adore Farscape (although Season 4 has been a bit odd).
It was really the first show since HL that caught my attention enough that
my Friday nights were planned around when it was on. I hear that the rest of
Season 4 won't be shown until January. Do you know what's behind that weird
scheduling, John?
~Rennie
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:47:21 -0400
From: Julie Beamer <jbeamer@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Highlander 5
jjswbt@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
>
> >Rumour has it that a third TV series may be in the works. HIGHLANDER:
> >THE TRINITY would reportedly deal with a trio of Immortals (hence the
> >title) who are recruited by their mentor to work for a secret government
> >agency.
>
> Once upon a time I heard something about..what was it? ...there can be only one? Maybe that was suppose to be "there can be only three"?
>
> Wendy(Alexander Mundy, Sydney Bristow and Maxwell Smart?)
Alexander Mundy? I wish,
Julie
Founding Geezer
Childhood fan of "It Takes a Thief"
--
jbeamer@infi.net
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