There are 13 messages totalling 487 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. PW in Bliss 2. Mortal Secret Organizations (9) 3. EG's commercial (2) 4. Highlander "The Immortal Edition" DVD in April ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:37:45 -0800 From: "M. Vrzoc" <vrzoc@yahoo.com> Subject: PW in Bliss Any idea as to the title of the episode of the erotic series, Bliss, that PW appears in? TMN in Canada is premiering the 8x20 min eps in March (first 4 back to back on March 21 and the second group of 4 on March 28). ===== M. Vrzoc vrzoc@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:18:43 -0800 From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com> Subject: Mortal Secret Organizations I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization, the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988, placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting, but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared. What got me thinking about the Talamasca tonight is that in Queen of the Damned, there's a scene set at the Talamasca, and someone mentions the Watcher creed: "Observe, Record, but Never Interfere." I did some reserach (and I spoke to my friend's mom that had read Queen of the Damned recently) and I found that the Talamasca creed is: "We watch. And we are always there." I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been stated by TPTB for sure? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:40:37 -0500 From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Well, Though I never got to read the whole queen of the damned (I lost my book in a trip and never bought it again) Now that you mention it... It is just the same kind of organization... now, I can reassure you that they worked very much the same way, in fact in White-Wolf's role playing games there is a there is game in their world of darkness called "Hunter" wich pretty much reminds me of the currupted watcher killing inmortals, but the Hunters of the role playing game kill vampires, werewolves (not quite the same werewolves you know about, a different kind), Changelings, etc. I really would very much like to hear the answer to Jen's question, it really interests me. I will see you around... Fred _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:58:43 -0700 From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations At 02/25/2002 12:18 AM -0800, Jen wrote: >I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the >Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been >stated by TPTB for sure? I don't recall a Watcher in the Buffy movie, just her trainer, Donald Sutherland. Did he say he was a Watcher? As for the Talamasca, I seem to recall hearing about a secret organization like that, but can't say when or where I first heard about it. I thought in college, (late 70's early 80's), which I believe would predate the Vampire Chronicles. I'm not sure if the Talamasca is this group and Anne Rice is using what she knows of them for her books, or if she made them up based on this supposedly real organization. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:59:53 -0700 From: Barbara Osgood Designs <hairbows@northerntel.net> Subject: EG's commercial I believe I saw Elizabeth Gracen in a match.com commercial playing Fate? If so, her hair is shoulder length and dark now. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:37:37 EST From: Dotiran@aol.com Subject: Re: EG's commercial <<I believe I saw Elizabeth Gracen in a match.com commercial playing Fate? If so, her hair is shoulder length and dark now. It is she and yes she has long hair now. She got some hair extensions. It looks really good. I think her new boyfriend, the one who was at Reunion con with her is the director [or maybe producer] of that commercial. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:58:11 -0500 From: Ace!Miracle <kad82987@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> Subject: Re: Highlander "The Immortal Edition" DVD in April On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Gerry Alanguilan wrote: > The first version will be a movie-only version, featuring only a Commentary > Track with director Russell Mulcahy and the film’s producers Peter S. Davis > and William N. Panzer, as well as Trailers and Biographies to round out the > release. > The second version that Anchor Bay will release is entitled The Immortal > Edition, a limited edition that will contain a bonus CD. Apart from the > features of the standard edition, this version will also include the [snip] > an extended version of “One Year Of Love” and “Friends Will Be Friends. For those who haven't seen these: "One Year of Love" video, it's got lots of HL clips in it, as well as clips from other videos (including some of Freddie's solo work.) "Who Wants To Live Forever?" contains no movie footage--just the guys, an orchestra, a choir, and lots of candles. "Friends" is a small-stage performance video. "Princes" has movie footage interspersed with clips of the guys performing, and Freddie even duels with Chris Lambert briefly. (This is all ASSuming they use the normal videos, not things that have been compiled especially for the DVD.) I haven't really *looked* for this supposedly low-quality DVD, but now I'm glad I didn't invest the money. I'll wait for the one with the FWBF video, which is the only one of these I don't have. :) --Miracle ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You know, you're a classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth and the size of the brain." --4th Doctor, DW: Robots of Death ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minor Major Miracle: Time Lady, Jedi Knight, Occasional Grad Student Bearer of the Queen Tape & Keeper of the Nitro-9 Ace is Not Carrying ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:08:31 -0800 From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Jen wrote: > I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the > idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization, > the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy > the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988, > placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out > in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting, > but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared. It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible: http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html Kintoun > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:43:46 -0800 From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Kintoun wrote: > > Jen wrote: > > > I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the > > idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization, > > the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy > > the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988, > > placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out > > in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting, > > but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared. > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible: > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html > > Kintoun > > > Jen Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with those Watchers with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't remember, but they don't keep track of specific events, do they? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800 From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Jen wrote: > Kintoun wrote: > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV series were > > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first appearance > > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the Watchers > > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules as > > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these cosmic > > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible: > > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html > > > > > Jen > > Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with those Watchers > with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't remember, but they > don't keep track of specific events, do they? Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a given world no matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically identical. Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow never to interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of immortals and The Game yet vow never to interfere. Kintoun > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:54:13 -0500 From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations how about this???? I found this in a web site i found... http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~forest/vamipre/tala.html THE TALAMASCA Investigators of the Paranormal We watch And are always here. London Amsterdam Rome The Talamasca, meaning "Animal Mask" from the Latin, are a secret society, set up, as their calling card says, to watch the paranormal in action. The name Talamasca was also an old term to describe a witch or a shamen. Their basements are filled with records of phenomena such as Witches, Spirits, Werewolves and of course Vampires. Welcoming people with paranormal powers to visit them, occasionally they become aware of individuals with particularly strong powers, these people are investigated and offered a place with their group, but are not obliged to accept the position, though almost invariably they will. The Talamasca demand complete obedience, loyalty and devotion from their members. Relevant Talamasca Members Jesse Aaron Lightner Raglan James David Talbot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sharon See you around... Fred >From: Jen <data@CYBERG8T.COM> >Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu> >To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU >Subject: Mortal Secret Organizations >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:18:43 -0800 > >I'm just curious if anyone knew here, because I sure don't. Was the >idea of the Watchers obtained by from either Anne Rice's organization, >the Talamasca (yep, I saw Queen of the Damned tonight! *grins*) or Buffy >the Vampire Slayer movie? Queen of the Damned was written in 1988, >placing it prior to the HL tv show. BtVS, the original movie, came out >in 1992, which would be about the same time as the HL tv show starting, >but not the end of the season when Horton first appeared. > >What got me thinking about the Talamasca tonight is that in Queen of the >Damned, there's a scene set at the Talamasca, and someone mentions the >Watcher creed: "Observe, Record, but Never Interfere." I did some >reserach (and I spoke to my friend's mom that had read Queen of the >Damned recently) and I found that the Talamasca creed is: "We watch. >And we are always there." I'm beting that the Watchers are based on the >Talamasca, instead of the Watcher organization in BtVS. Has this been >stated by TPTB for sure? > >Jen _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:56:25 -0500 From: Freddy Mora <freddyamc@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Of course that is the stuff of Queen of the Damned... Fred. >From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca> >Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu> >To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU >Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800 > >Jen wrote: > > > Kintoun wrote: > > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV >series were > > > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first >appearance > > > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the >Watchers > > > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules >as > > > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these >cosmic > > > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible: > > > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html > > > > > > > Jen > > > > Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with >those Watchers > > with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't >remember, but they > > don't keep track of specific events, do they? > >Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a >given world no >matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically >identical. >Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow >never to >interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of >immortals and >The Game yet vow never to interfere. > >Kintoun > > > Jen _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:52:37 -0800 From: Jen <data@cyberg8t.com> Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations Yep, that's basically the stuff that I found in my Guidebook to the Vampire Chronicles thing. Jen Freddy Mora wrote: > > Of course that is the stuff of Queen of the Damned... > > Fred. > > >From: Kintoun <kintoun@shaw.ca> > >Reply-To: Highlander movies and TV series <HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu> > >To: HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU > >Subject: Re: Mortal Secret Organizations > >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:30:19 -0800 > > > >Jen wrote: > > > > > Kintoun wrote: > > > > It's also very possible that the Watchers from the Highlander TV > >series were > > > > based on the Watchers from Marvel comics. They made their first > >appearance > > > > in Fantastic Four #48 which was published in 1966. Although the > >Watchers > > > > from the Marvel Universe are aliens, they live by the exact same rules > >as > > > > Highlander's Watchers. You can find a bit more information on these > >cosmic > > > > comic book characters at the Silver Surfer Bible: > > > > http://www.tvwriter.com/ssu2.html > > > > > > > > > Jen > > > > > > Wow, I never even thought of those Watchers. I'm quite familiar with > >those Watchers > > > with my eleven years of reading Marvel Comics off and on. I can't > >remember, but they > > > don't keep track of specific events, do they? > > > >Absolutely. They observe and record positively everything occurring on a > >given world no > >matter how unimportant. Joe Dawson's job and Uatu's duty are practically > >identical. > >Marvel Universe Watchers chronicle the history of entire planets yet vow > >never to > >interfere. Watchers in the Highlander franchise chronicle the history of > >immortals and > >The Game yet vow never to interfere. > > > >Kintoun > > > > > Jen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 24 Feb 2002 to 25 Feb 2002 (#2002-20) **************************************************************