HIGHLA-L Digest - 18 Jul 2001 to 19 Jul 2001 (#2001-210)
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Topics of the day:
1. bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers) (6)
2. Bootleg etc (4)
3. CAH and the down-slide of HL (3)
4. CAH and the down-side of HL
5. HL episode scripts to sell (2)
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:46:47 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
Me:
> > I don't believe
> > distributing fanfic is immoral because it does not violate my moral
> > code/philosophy.
Nina:
>Are you so willing to allow everyone his/her own personal moral code when
>your ox is being gored?
..er...no, Nina...I'm not saying that.....
You said "Basically, NO ONE has come up w/ any reason that distributing
fanfic isn't illegal or immoral, other than the fact they like doing it, of
course. ".
I answered that question. Not only do I not have an ox in danger, I don't
believe anyone else's ox is being harmed. Please spare me the lecture. I
understand you think differently. Frankly your opinion on the morality of
fanfic is unimportant to me. I reserve my outrange for much more serious
issues.
>It's OK for someone to steal from you, because they
>want what you have? It's OK for someone to speed down the highway & kill
>your best friend, because they were in a hurry? Liked driving drunk? Only
>the laws you feel strongly about should be followed/enforced?
..er...no, Nina...I'm not saying that..... :::sigh:::
You've just qualified for the Olympic broad jump. I said that fanfic
does fall within my definition of immorality. That's all I said.
Pat L.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:32:36 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg etc
Hi John! It's me again. :-)
Can you tell I love debating moral issues?
You wrote a bunch of good stuff including:
>Is there any harm done? Well, it's a
>matter of perspective. If I had a perfectly good taped copy of a TV show I'm
>not about to go out and buy the official version of the tape box-set for
>half my weekly salary just because it's got a pretty new illustration on the
>front and a shiny copyright hologram on the cassette. Some will, but logic
>suggests that if your homemade/circulated copies are of sufficient quality,
>it's going to affect the need to get 'official' merchandise' to some regard.
>I'm sure someone will come back and say 'Well, I'll buy official merchandise
>AS WELL as the copies.' Cool. But unless you can guarantee everyone will do
>that, you have to admit that there will be financial loss to some extent,
>however small. Financial loss guaranteed. End of that moral/legal argument
>as the sound you hear is a lawyer having the defence for breakfast on a
>technical, but ultimately accurate point.
For the purpose of this discussion, I'm only concerned with the moral
questions.
This discussion has for the most part centered on HL episodes, HL movies,
or other films which are commercially available. As you said, financial
loss is fairly certain.
Let's consider a different situation; programs which are not commercially
available. Programs which are no longer broadcast. What about programs
which are unavailable from any source except for privately copied
tapes? There is no financial loss to the copyright holder. Does this
effect the morality of tape distribution?
How about if we translate the question to a different medium;
paper. Books go out of print and magazine editions are sold out. I'm
sure you've experienced the frustration of wanting to read something and
being unable to find a copy. You might be lucky and find a copy in a used
bookstore. Of course when you buy that used copy the copyright holder &
authors make nothing on the sale.
For the sake of argument let's assume this is a piece of fiction. Does
your view of the moral issue change under these circumstances? How would
you react to a fan making copies and distributing them to his friends?
Hubby and I are friends with a writer who has more than 20 published novels
plus numerous non-fiction pieces. He's expressed his support for the
copying of his earlier, out of print, works. He feels it supports his fans
and allows new fans to discover his work. We're talking about
non-commercial use of course, with friends passing a copy to a
friend. As a pro John, would you agree or disagree with him?
Pat L.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:07:06 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: CAH and the down-slide of HL
In a message dated 7/18/01 9:33:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.j.mosby@btinternet.com writes:
<< Conflict, yes. Emotion, yes. Compelling interaction, yes. Obvious
components, well....yes. But while I'm happy to admit there is probably
Cassandra fanfic out there which does not concern Methos, a majority of the
time that's what gets argued about.<<
As a journalist, you know one of the first rules; just spell my name right.
There is nothing *wrong* with a fictional conflict that generates literally
dozens of stories, many of the among the best HL fanfic I've ever read. We
maintain a page on our DONAN WOOD website devoted to nothing by stories that
involve Cassandra (with more than just a passing mention), and to date, the
count is well over 125. There are many more we've missed...I need to catch up
on that. There is just as much legitimacy in these as any other fanfic
character combination; obviously, many other authors in the fandom feel the
same way.
>>Agreed I don't read a lot of fanfic, but whenever the name of Cassandra
comes up, it seems Methos-related stuff isn't far behind and vice-versa. It
may be an obvious and stimulating subject matter, but if 5000 years of
Cassandra history often leads to aspects of her relationship with Methos then
it's just a shame there isn't more scope for discussion on other aspects of
that time-frame in which they were apart.<<
There are, more and more nowadays. The 'hottest' point in which the
character's brief presence on the series will keep appearing, however. New
fans come in and begin the discussion anew. Some fans *enjoy* those debates,
some don't (and should simply tune them out; the delete button's where it
always should be). And by the way, that's 3,000 years, per the episode
caption.
>>("5,000 years, you don't write, you don't call....") After all, not every
Duncan story has Amanda or Tessa in it. Or Horton for that matter....all of
which contain dynamic imperatives Just my perception, but a perception I
also often hear repeated by others, even those with no axe to grind.<<
Tessa and Amanda got a lot more air time and episode appearances. Amanda got
a whole damned series. Using them for comparison with poor Cassandra and her
3 episodes, 2 of which didn't feature her with that much air time, is a bit
eyebrow-raising. I'm certain that if the writers had to work with her for a
few more appearances, we would learn more about the oldest woman in the world
(?) worth discussing, and happily do so. The same applies for many GUEST
stars who appeared on the show and were equally compelling.
>> I was stating that there IS a camp that dislikes that aspect of Cassandra's
character history, not wanting to hear the oft-stated thesis on the
historical mating rituals of the lessser-spotted -hmmm, maybe more-spotty -
Scot :) Not personal. Same thing for not wanting to hear the 'Methos as/is
Innocent' argument all over again either. Been there. Done that. Bought the
copyright infringing t-shirt.<<
So skip those repetitive dead horses. No point in moaning about their
presence, because they won't stop. I guarantee it. These are legit questions
and issues that keep coming up because fans circulate and may have missed the
original appearances of these debates, as with any. Sorry you feel your
exposure to it annoying. Hmmm--why not just skip 'em?
>> (Firstly...*disturb you so much*???? Darling, I was disturbed
looooooooooong before you came here ;)) I see no reason to hate or despise
Cassandra, nor to love or sanctify her. I agree that some fans may want to
do one of those. Some - including me and yourself -can't understand why
there is such polarisation. She was a relatively minor character in the
grand scheme of things and while I can see the potential in a certain set of
pivotal events she was connected with, I'm simply repeating that there could
be so much more to her than that hould a writer really want a challenge <<
We agree here. There was never closure and further development of the
character on the show; no opportunity. There should have been, but you know
all about 'should have beens.' At least her head is on her shoulders for the
future, if the opportunity arisises.
>>And....while I think of Methos as one of the most fascinating characters in
the Highlander mythos, this is the first time I've seen any inferrence that
ANYONE has ever considered him a saint ?????? ( I guess that any fanfic
writeris entitled to interpret what they see on screen as they see fit
though). As Methos himself might be wont to say: "Who'd want to be a Saint?
Don't they all end up dead?"<<
Agree again; but then your hormonal chemistry isn't the same as many other
fans' in HL fandom. You see things a little different than this particular
group, AJ. And that's as it should be.
>> Agreed. Until you threw in those last words and neglected to also add 'one
frequently employed by fans who dislike Methos' which I'm guessing would be
used by the other side of the equation, right? After all, it's only fair to
note there are extreme/passionate views on BOTH sides. I think that the
pro-Cassandra lobby are just as loud as the anti-Cassandra voices when they
want to be<<
Sorry; we *aren't* complaining about the perennial appearance of threads
where fans express how much they despise Methos, and mock some physical
aspect of his appearance. That's because it's *not* an issue. Almost all fans
(cassandra fans included) have no problem with Methos. They may declare
themselves indifferent to him, but the 'other side' you keep citing simply
doesn't exist. It's a fallacy. There is no vocal 'anti-Methos' faction; just
some fans who happen to think he was dreadfully bad in the Bronze Age and
deserving of justice.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:24:50 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
Pat--
> I said that fanfic does fall within my definition of immorality.
Well, thank you, Pat, for coming around so easily & fully to my point of
view. People CAN change; they CAN be taught. Very gratifying. Sometimes
my powers of persuasion amaze even me....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:11:36 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: CAH and the down-side of HL
>>As a journalist, you know one of the first rules; just spell my name
right.
Sorry. Which post did I spell it wrong in? I'll go back and check. Quite
possible that I did mistype. This is a new laptop and keyboard and I'm quite
capable of missing the odd magic digit. Of course, there are plenty of
other rules to GOOD journalism too and 'just' getting the names right is not
really good enough in itself. Good place to start though :)
>>There is nothing *wrong* with a fictional conflict that generates
literally
dozens of stories, many of the among the best HL fanfic I've ever read. We
maintain a page on our DONAN WOOD website devoted to nothing by stories that
involve Cassandra (with more than just a passing mention), and to date, the
count is well over 125. There are many more we've missed...I need to catch
up
on that. There is just as much legitimacy in these as any other fanfic
character combination; obviously, many other authors in the fandom feel the
same way.
I'm presuming you meant to type 'devoted to nothing but' (guess we all have
slippery keyboards! :)) and I hope that part of your website is a popular
one. You said there is..."just as much legitimacy in these as any other
fanfic character combination." Quite right too. Never disagreed that a good
story is a good story is a good story, whoever is involved. I commented that
a majority of times I hear the name of Cassandra, it seems to be in the
context of her relationship to Methos. WE agree character like Cassandra,
who appeared so little in the series, is ripe for exploration beyond three
episodes of the show. I can see why those existing episodes are popular and
draw interest and inspiration, but if a majority of the stories on your
web-page deal with a variety of other aspects of Cassandra's life as well,
then writers are now obviously rising to the creative challenge.
>>Tessa and Amanda got a lot more air time and episode appearances. Amanda
got
a whole damned series. Using them for comparison with poor Cassandra and her
3 episodes, 2 of which didn't feature her with that much air time, is a bit
eyebrow-raising. I'm certain that if the writers had to work with her for a
few more appearances, we would learn more about the oldest woman in the
world
(?) worth discussing, and happily do so. The same applies for many GUEST
stars who appeared on the show and were equally compelling.
Well, you yourself said: >>"....One of the first rules of good fiction
includes conflict, and the hotter the chemistry (of either love or hate),
the more potential in a plot....", so I think the examples I gave would fit
those descriptions perfectly well given their established and popular
dynamic to the main character. (Steady with that eyebrow, Roger Moore will
be after you for royalties! ;)). Were they explored more on the show? Yes,
they were. But the wonderful thing about Immortal characters is that they
have such a big canvas to paint on. Tessa, one of his greatest loves, was
already in Duncan's life when we first meet them and though we see how they
first met, there are several years of unexplored territory. There is a long
and complex backstory between Joe and Horton. Amanda's history should have
been equally rich and controversial territory (which I personally think was
botched, mainly in its execution on The Raven). I agree that a character
featured less in the show has a broader canvas still... so hopefully all
that canvas can be used to its full potential, not just one corner.
>>>> I was stating that there IS a camp that dislikes that aspect of
Cassandra's
character history, not wanting to hear the oft-stated thesis on the
historical mating rituals of the lessser-spotted -hmmm, maybe more-spotty -
Scot :) Not personal. Same thing for not wanting to hear the 'Methos as/is
Innocent' argument all over again either. Been there. Done that. Bought the
copyright infringing t-shirt.<<
>>So skip those repetitive dead horses. No point in moaning about their
presence, because they won't stop. I guarantee it.
Thanks for the guarantee. In this particular case, I was following up
Dotiran's post which included a comment on how the Cassandra opinions were
often polarised. I was simply and briefly outlining the various camps that
I felt existed and expressing disappointment in what I perceived to be a
character often defined by the actions of other characters (regardless of
whether you agree with that initial perception).
I CLEARLY expressed that I wasn't casting any moral judgement on Cassandra's
first appearance and that I didn't want to start a 'new' debate about a
woman exposing herself to a fourteen year old child.... which is, as you
said, a separate and rather tired discussion by now... (but one that some
people frequently feel the need to bring up and 'justify' before any words
of accusation are uttered). I think that my compact and bijou listing of the
various attitudes is hardly grand repetition, nor moaning. If it is, I can
think of a few people who trot out more flea-ridden equines on a much more
regular basis.
>>These are legit questions and issues that keep coming up because fans
circulate and may have missed the original appearances of these debates, as
with any. Sorry you feel your
exposure to it annoying. Hmmm--why not just skip 'em?
I have no personal problem with a debate discussion appearing more than
once. Indeed, it's a mark of a good story when it instigates on-going
passion and interest. I agree that if the voices involved in the debate are
new ones, then fresh perspectives are introduced and are interesting to
read. I'd also agree with you that if it's just the same voices, stating the
same 'facts' or opinions over again, it may be less fragrant. I don't
believe that I've ever really commented on anything to do with Cassandra
before, though I've seen the carousel of discussion revolve again and again
on certain aspects.
I like discussions and contribute where I feel the subject interests me, if
I feel I have something to offer or I'd like to acheive a fair overview.
I'm no expert in MOST fields. I can't tell you every detail of every
episode, don't have the Compact Book of World Religions Beliefs at my
fingertips and can't offer personal experience of women's sexual awakenings
through the ages (I'm working on it!!!!) :)
>>...but then your hormonal chemistry isn't the same as many other
fans' in HL fandom. You see things a little different than this particular
group, AJ. And that's as it should be.
Phew! Yup....completely different set of hormones to contest with :) But I
still say that I've NEVER heard Methos described as a saint. Blue Face Love
God, yes. RRRROG, yes. Huge Hunk of Bronze Age Bofforamic
Brutiness...er...possibly. *erk* But never, ever as a Saint. Even those who
would gladly carry his spear for him, seem willing to admit that they kinda
like his whole UnSaintliness.
Whatever floats your Ark ;).
John
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:44:53 -0400
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: CAH and the down-slide of HL
John said
>> She was a relatively minor character in the
>> grand scheme of things and while I can see the potential in a certain set
>>of pivotal events she was connected with, I'm simply repeating that there
>>could be so much more to her than that should a writer really want a challenge
Leah says:
>We agree here. There was never closure and further development of the
>character on the show; no opportunity. There should have been, but you know
>all about 'should have beens.' At least her head is on her shoulders for
>the future, if the opportunity arisises.
What I *think* John is saying (and I'm sure John will correct me if I've gotten it wrong) is that, not just discussion, but *fanfic* involving Cassandra is too often limited to the events surrounding her time with Methos and its effect on her. There are 3000 years of back story to be filled in and yet many authors return over and over to the same events we saw on screen. I happen to be in the camp that says Cassandra got on with her life and didn't dwell on Methos or her time in his camp ... that she didn't define herself for 3000 years as "Ex-Horseman Slave". I like to think that she traveled and loved and worked and fought and did not constantly look back over her shoulder at the Bronze Age. With all that time to fill in any way an author might fancy- it's too bad that so much Cassandra fanfic in some way relates back to that one incident in her past. Here we have wide open territory..territory a fanfic author can fill as creatively as they choose without having to worry !
!
about canon...and over and over we get Methos-Cassandra stories.
Leah :
> There is no vocal 'anti-Methos' faction;
>just some fans who happen to think he was dreadfully bad in the Bronze Age and
>deserving of justice.
I wonder why that is. Seriously. I can't think of another character that doesn't have a vocal "anti-faction". Lots of people don't like Duncan, some people hated Richie, Tessa had her detractors...Anne has more foes than friends...Joe isn't universally beloved. Was it that we universally bought into the idea that anyone who had lived 5000 would, inevitably, have a few dark patches of personal history and so we cut him more slack than if he had been only 1500? Was it the actor? Would people have hated him if we had seen a more graphic account of his Horseman days? Interesting.
Wendy(I think it was his nose<eg>)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:54:00 -0700
From: Pat Lawson <plawson@webleyweb.com>
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
Nina wrote:
> > I said that fanfic does fall within my definition of immorality.
>
>Well, thank you, Pat, for coming around so easily & fully to my point of
>view.
I'm sure it's obvious to anyone following this thread, except perhaps Nina,
that I made a typo. That should have read DOES NOT. Fanfic does not
fall within my definition of immorality.
>People CAN change; they CAN be taught. Very gratifying. Sometimes
>my powers of persuasion amaze even me....
"Powers of persuasion"? ROFLMAO!
Teaching requires communication. That's a skill you might want to learn.
Pat L. (Tired and bored with wasting my time on this discussion)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:09:28 EDT
From: Andrea Cheney <Ac1087@aol.com>
Subject: Re: CAH and the down-slide of HL
Leah said:
Most of the Cassandra fans actually count Methos among their favorites, and
the idea that liking one implies the other is inaccurate and illogical.
Methos has always been my favorite character, and always will be.
I am one of them. I liked Methos from the beginning, but after the the
initial broadcast of Prophecy, some folks on a small Dr. Anne list that I was
on at that time were very critical of her and of Tracy Scoggins' portrayal. I
defended both. I didn't understand why Cassandra or Tracy aroused such
dislike.
Apparently, some see support of Cassandra and a declaration that Methos was
culpable for his Bronze Age behavior as evidence that the latter is hated.
Extreme exaggeration. The same fans will happily tell you that he's an
interesting, likeable character in the modern context, and some think he's
sexy as hell.
Me:
The fact that Methos was such a baddie during the Bronze age made me like him
even more. In RL I certainly don't condone rape, pillaging (sp?) and
destruction but sometimes I like fictional characters that do really bad
things. Methos is one of them. I also like Vampires and am happiest when they
are biting people and causing mayhem. Having said that, I also thought that
Cassandra was perfectly justified in staying angry and "holding a grudge."
So yes, there are people who like both Methos and Cassandra.
Andrea CWPack & Fan 'O Dr. Anne
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:28:13 -0400
From: mousehounde <mousehounde@datalinkc.com>
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
I am not sure when Nina turned into Lance, but she did. Every statement,
every comment, every typo, is twisted and rearranged until it fits into or
supports her limited, narrow world view. It was amusing at first, but now
it's just getting creepy. I do hope Nina and Lance will be happy together in
my kill-file.
mouse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geiger" <geiger@maui.net>
Pat--
> I said that fanfic does fall within my definition of immorality.
Well, thank you, Pat, for coming around so easily & fully to my point of
view. People CAN change; they CAN be taught. Very gratifying. Sometimes
my powers of persuasion amaze even me....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:31:47 EDT
From: Ashton7@aol.com
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
In a message dated 7/19/01 5:56:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
plawson@webleyweb.com writes:
<<
I'm sure it's obvious to anyone following this thread, except perhaps Nina,
that I made a typo. That should have read DOES NOT. Fanfic does not
fall within my definition of immorality. >>
Don't worry, Pat. It was perfectly obvious to most people, I'm sure. A word
of advice: The killfile is your friend. Learn to embrace it. It's certainly
made my life much happier. There comes a point when you have to realize that
no matter what you say to certain people, they are only interested in arguing
and/or upsetting you (or both). The best thing to do is to ignore them. ;-)
Annie CWPack
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:36:15 -0400
From: Julie Beamer <jbeamer@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Bootleg etc
"John Mosby (B)" wrote:
> It's not there to fill time and screenspace and it doesn't add 'But, hey,
> you're doing it for cost, so go ahead'. Is there any harm done? Well, it's a
> matter of perspective. If I had a perfectly good taped copy of a TV show I'm
> not about to go out and buy the official version of the tape box-set for
> half my weekly salary just because it's got a pretty new illustration on the
> front and a shiny copyright hologram on the cassette. Some will, but logic
> suggests that if your homemade/circulated copies are of sufficient quality,
> it's going to affect the need to get 'official' merchandise' to some regard.
Call me strange, but I'm one of those people who had a perfectly good set of
home taping of Highlander and yet I still went and bought the commercial set of
seasons 1-3 from Panzer/Davis. (I then reused my old tapes for other taping.)
I did the same thing for "Kindred: The Embraced" when Aaron Spelling put out
that set (it was only 8 episodes). In fact the Kindred fans sold out the
calendar and the first printing of the videos. Spelling has even made a DVD
version.
You would think the "free" tapes would affect the authorized merchandise, but it
doesn't seem to.
Now back to the discussion of fanfic, a harmless piece of fun or the root of all
evil <g>.
Julie
Founding Geezer
(Yep, I write fanfic and I read some. However, I recognize it's not fair use
and it is an infringement of copyright law. I equate it with running a red
light. I've done that a couple of times too. Not often. Really.)
--
jbeamer@infi.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:36:33 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg etc
Julie
I know there are plenty of people that will tape from the tv and then fork
out for the box-sets etc. In your case you are taping from your own
television (to watch later) and that is perfectly legal (otherwise every VCR
manafacturer would be out of business). I don't think there's any moral or
legal problem there at all.
But if you agree that a person obtaining good quality tapes from a tape-tree
or equally 'unofficial' source may well decide not to buy the same tapes
from a store/official source, then you have to agree that there is the
chance of financial loss for those with the right to produce the tapes. It
may not be a significant number of people (though I'm guessing it wouldn't
be minute either) but A loss is proven and therefore it is TECHNICALLY a
very clear and indisputable breach of the law as stated at the end of every
single episode.
Hey, I probably won't stop receiving these tapes, either! And I'm guessing
that no-one will be hunting tape-treers down. But I acknowledge that there
is a clear legal situation here that we (collectively)choose to ignore.
John
(The master copy)
> Call me strange, but I'm one of those people who had a perfectly good set
of
> home taping of Highlander and yet I still went and bought the commercial
set of
> seasons 1-3 from Panzer/Davis. (I then reused my old tapes for other
taping.)
> I did the same thing for "Kindred: The Embraced" when Aaron Spelling put
out
> that set (it was only 8 episodes). In fact the Kindred fans sold out the
> calendar and the first printing of the videos. Spelling has even made a
DVD
> version.
>
> You would think the "free" tapes would affect the authorized merchandise,
but it
> doesn't seem to.
>
> Now back to the discussion of fanfic, a harmless piece of fun or the root
of all
> evil <g>.
>
> Julie
> Founding Geezer
> (Yep, I write fanfic and I read some. However, I recognize it's not fair
use
> and it is an infringement of copyright law. I equate it with running a
red
> light. I've done that a couple of times too. Not often. Really.)
>
> --
> jbeamer@infi.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:39:20 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Bootleg etc
At 07:36 PM 07/19/01, Julie Beamer wrote:
>Call me strange, but I'm one of those people who had a perfectly good set
>of home taping of Highlander and yet I still went and bought the
>commercial set of seasons 1-3 from Panzer/Davis.
Me too.
>I did the same thing for "Kindred: The Embraced" when Aaron Spelling put
>out that set (it was only 8 episodes). In fact the Kindred fans sold out the
>calendar and the first printing of the videos. Spelling has even made a DVD
>version.
Ooooh! I just bought a DVD player!! I want this!
>You would think the "free" tapes would affect the authorized merchandise,
>but it doesn't seem to.
It's those eurominutes and the nice pretty box. :-)
>(Yep, I write fanfic and I read some. However, I recognize it's not fair
>use and it is an infringement of copyright law. I equate it with running
>a red light. I've done that a couple of times too. Not often. Really.)
Very reasonable. Sort of like me and the Endgame workprint. I knew it was
a bootleg; but it was out there and I wanted it, so I bought it. I haven't
missed any sleep over it so far.
-- Sandy
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:59:35 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: bootleg tapes & more (was--ATTN: All Fan Fic writers)
Pat--
> I'm sure it's obvious to anyone following this thread, except perhaps
Nina,
> that I made a typo.
Before, you condemned me for not magically grasping your meaning. Now, you
condemn me for quoting you verbatim & taking you literally, word for word.
Some folks just _cannot_ be satisfied....
> Fanfic does not
> fall within my definition of immorality.
Are you SURE that's what you mean, this time?
> Teaching requires communication. That's a skill you might want to learn.
And proof-reading is a skill you might brush up on.
>Pat L. (Tired and bored with wasting my time on this discussion)
Well, YOU caused the last silly bit of bother.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:16:29 -0400
From: Heidi <heidi@apocalypse.org>
Subject: HL episode scripts to sell
I have two Highlander episode scripts I'm looking to sell. One is
for `Turnabout' and the other `For Tomorrow We Die'. I bought them
in a shop several years ago, put them aside unread and then forgot
I had them until a week or so ago. These are the 3 hole punch
photocopy scipts that I think may be the same things some people
have mentioned buying at cons. The pages are just white paper but
each one says what color it was and the date which seems to
correspond to different drafts. (the dates/draft colors are also
listed on the yellow cover page.) I'm just looking to get $10
for each one (plus postage) which is what I paid for them. I'd
prefer to sell them both to one person but will sell each by
itself if need be. I'm in the US so because of currency difference
need to sell to someone also here. So if anyone is intersted send
me, not the list, a note about it.
=}{=
(heidi@apocalypse.org)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:30:32 EDT
From: Highlandmg@aol.com
Subject: Re: HL episode scripts to sell
Hi Heidi
I have both those scripts or I would gladly buy them. But I was wondering
On the Script "For Tomorrow We Die " script I am missing a page of that
script.
the page is "Revision History"
this page would be with
Cover Page Cast List Set List Then the missing page Revision History.
Could you please make me a copy if you have it. I would gladly pay for coping
and postage.
Mary
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