HIGHLA-L Digest - 8 Jul 2001 to 9 Jul 2001 - Special issue (#2001-185)
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Topics in this special issue:
1. Highla-L' has been around for how long? (Was: Re: [HL] ATTN: All Fan Fic
writers)
2. UNSUBSCRIBE
3. ATTN: All Fan Fic writers (5)
4. Highla-L' has been around for how long?
5. Fanfic question following the discussion... (9)
6. Reunion (4)
7. AP as Bond? (2)
8. OT: Roger Daltry on Witchblade
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:08:45 -0400
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Re: Highla-L' has been around for how long? (Was: Re: [HL] ATTN: All
Fan Fic writers)
On 7/8/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Carrie V. Key wrote:
>>Highla-L is nearing a decade soon isn't it? I know I've been on here on and
>>off since 1996. I don't recall exactly when the list started. Is our
>>gracious list goddess about to key us in?
Not quite a decade yet, just almost 8 years. HIGHLA-L was created on
August 11th, 1993 with a core of 21 list members, who transferred from
an informal mail loop that was started in Feb. 1993 for sharing HL:TS
Spoilers. One of the first things we shared at the beginning was
grieving over Werner Stocker's death. WS protrayed Duncan's mentor
Darius during Paris episodes of the first season and died of a brain
tumor a month and a half after the season wrapped.
-Debbie
(list goddess)
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:36:54 EDT
From: "Jerene, Amanda's Advocate and Methos' Muse" <Syauna@aol.com>
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
As I am no longer very active online and these emails pile up, please
unsubscribe this email address from your list.
Syauna
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:30:31 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Carrie--
>>>Dosen't matter where you put it, even in a little black box burried deep
somewhere, at some point in time it will be out in the open for all to see.
You are right in saying that it's darn near oimpossible to limit access on
the net.>>>
But the point was that writing fanfic & keeping it private is fine;
distributing it world-wide & in perpetuity via the Internet is absurdly
blatant.
Marina--
> Oh, don't start with that now. This thread started as one person
> trying to warn others and got into the rights and wrongs of
> fanfic. Fanfic has been going since the '60s (and maybe earlier).
> Pontificating about how wrong it is (or how disgusting slash is)
> is just going to make a few generations of fanfic writers mad at
> you, and it won't change anyone's mind. SNIP
> Fanfic will continue, underground or in the light, if it has to.
> Whining about the legalities of it will not make it go away.
So, you'd rather everyone just looked away so fanfic writers can indulge
themselves to the max? "Everybody's doing it" really doesn't work as a
legal or moral justification for much of anything.
WRITING fanfic is fine, as is most everything else done privately.
DISTRIBUTING fanfic is illegal & immoral, for the reasons discussed by
various people here lately. Those silly disclaimers fanfic writers tend to
use _prove_ they realize they are doing something wrong, just begging people
in power not to call them on it.
Marina again--
>>>People often say, "Write original
stories." While I am a good writer and could write original stories,
I prefer to write fanfic. The characters inspire me, and I just feel
that people who say I shouldn't write fanfic are being mean.>>>
Well, the fact you _prefer_ to do something that violates the rights of
others hardly makes it OK. Laws & morals really aren't in place out of
meanness or to inconvenience you in particular.
>>>Oh, good. I was getting a distinct feeling from some of the other
posters that they felt fanfic was a Bad Thing, and that slash was
Even Worse.>>>
I'll raise my hand on that, assuming you mean stuff that's widely
distributed.
>>>What fan in their right mind would show such
material to an actor? We know that PW thinks slash is funny, but
I still wouldn't go up to him with my slash story and expect him
to like it. That's just insane.>>>
So, you realize how unhappy slash makes the actors, producers, etc., yet you
think it's perfectly OK for you/other fanfic writers to write & distribute
it? Odd.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:41:36 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Nina wrote:
>But the point was that writing fanfic & keeping it private is fine;
>distributing it world-wide & in perpetuity via the Internet is absurdly
>blatant.
Ah, but like most Internet porn, someone looking for fanfic is going
to have to know how to look for it and where to find it. What PTB is
going to spend hours tracking down fanfic? Sounds like a waste of
their time to me.
>So, you'd rather everyone just looked away so fanfic writers can indulge
>themselves to the max?
Actually, yes. They've been looking the other way for 35 years, they
can just keep right on.
>"Everybody's doing it" really doesn't work as a
>legal or moral justification for much of anything.
No, but as I pointed out, when modern myths are owned by corporations
instead of "the people" as a whole, then corporations must not be
surprised when "the people" start adding to them the way they would
have long ago.
>WRITING fanfic is fine, as is most everything else done privately.
>DISTRIBUTING fanfic is illegal & immoral, for the reasons discussed by
>various people here lately. Those silly disclaimers fanfic writers tend to
>use _prove_ they realize they are doing something wrong, just begging people
>in power not to call them on it.
Most people only put on disclaimers because everybody else does. I doubt
many of them even know why. And why write fanfic if you're the only one
who reads it? Sharing fanfic is fun. If you hate fanfic, fine, don't
read it. But don't tell everyone else what to do.
>I'll raise my hand on that, assuming you mean stuff that's widely
>distributed.
How widely? On mailing lists? Web pages?
>So, you realize how unhappy slash makes the actors, producers, etc., yet you
>think it's perfectly OK for you/other fanfic writers to write & distribute
>it? Odd.
No, ALL fanfic should be kept away from TPTB. Singling out slash for
particular derision just makes me think people are homophobic. TPTB
look the other way because they can pretend they don't know about
fanfic. Then they don't have to worry, and neither do we. But waving
a story, slash or not, under TPTB's noses makes it impossible for
them to pretend they don't know about it. THAT is what I was saying.
And, frankly, any actor who would be more shocked at slash than, say,
a het story, is not an actor I would want to watch anyway. I don't
think most actors today would be upset by slash. I *do* think TPTB
would be upset by fans waving fanfic under their noses at cons or
something.
- Marina.
\\ "Marina Bailey? She waves a flag. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// In South Africa." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Stan Kirsch at SyndiCon, May 1997 ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Marina Bailey==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za===|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My
brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:41:42 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: Highla-L' has been around for how long?
Carrie wrote:
>Well I tell you I feel better and a lot less paranoid now that things didn't
>end up with blood and flag pole thwaping (should we run the next the time
>there's a war? Ouch, that would hurt!).
But the blood and flag pole thwapping is the best part!! :)
> I should know better than to worry over
>people that have been on this list in one form or another for, gee, years.
Some of us *like* arguing. You'll just have to get used to that.
Do you know, once Nina and I actually *agreed* on something. What
a scary day that was!
>Highla-L is nearing a decade soon isn't it?
Like Debbie said, in two more years it will be a decade. And to think
that during our first few knock-down, drag-out fights, people said
that this kind of thing would destroy the list. Hah! Here many of us
are, a bit battle-scarred, but still okay. And where are all the
naysayers? Gone. They couldn't take it. Wimps. ;)
- Marina.
\\ "Marina Bailey? She waves a flag. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// In South Africa." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Stan Kirsch at SyndiCon, May 1997 ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Marina Bailey==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za===|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My
brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:26:31 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Fanfic question following the discussion...
I had a lot of mails to read this morning after the discussion that happened this weekend, and something which has always interested me came to mind. It does concern the original posting which referred to someone who had used a real person in their original story.
What is the community feeling out there about 'real people' in fandom, and I'm not just talking HL here. Do most stars (tm) their name to protect themselves? I have written (but never seem able to finish *g*) stories involving my own original character and the many celebs she has run across in her life. I have never posted these stories, a) because they are unfinished, and un-beta'ed; and b) because I would never want the actual people I'm writing about to take offense. I have sent it to my friends for their input and enjoyment, but what is the general feeling about this?
It seems 'safe' to write about a character because they are not real, but often people's fandoms are not in the world of fiction. A recent example was a story on a 'Young Riders' list I am on. The story invloved a time travel warp thingey where the characters from the show came into present day and were integrated into our society by an (supposed - I think the author was doing a mary-sue here) ex-crew member of the show, and one of the actors on the show. It was a great story, but some way through it, the author was made to change the name of the actor as it was obviously infringing on his rights. I have no idea how the actor, or his representatives found out (unless he was on the list!) and it seems jsut changing the name did the trick.
So what do y'all think, is it ok to write stories about real people so long as we don't use their real name? Or if the background parallels theirs too much do you think their could still be problems? Eg. writing about an actor "Dan Hersh", who has curly strawberry-blond hair and, what colour eyes Marina?, would be too obvious?
Tarryn
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:29:35 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Reunion
Yes, I'm going! AM I the first person from SOuth Africa to come to an HL con?? Anyone else ever run across one of us from the Rainbow Nation? Look out for me, I'll be in the joker hat (bells and all) in the colours of our flag - red, blue, green, white, black, yellow and carrying my light up katana/light saber.
See ya all there
Tarryn
P.S. do the dealers take traveller's cheques? (just kidding!)
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:58:23 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
Marina, I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but....
> And, frankly, any actor who would be more shocked at slash than, say,
> a het story, is not an actor I would want to watch anyway. I don't
> think most actors today would be upset by slash. I *do* think TPTB
> would be upset by fans waving fanfic under their noses at cons or
> something.
Then you might need to revise your opinion of most actors. While most say
they have no problem with a person's absolute right to have their own sexual
preference, it's a slightly different issue to be written about and placed
in a slash situation by default. I know I'd feel a little uncomfortable to
have a slash story written about me. And, yes, I know it's about the
character, not the actor, but I fully understand why someone like - say -
Valentine Pelka is less than happy knowing that a character he is very
closely linked with is thought about in that way. In most cases, it can be
ignored, but you can count on some silly fan to ask such a question of the
actor at a Con.(I remember someone at Chronicles asking it... and the
folowing year the audience had to be told OFFICIALLY not to do so) In other
words, sooner or later, the actor often has to address a subject that he
(and most fans) would wish to leave well enough away from him.
Again, not a critique of slash as a genre, write away. I know at least one
person who does so regularly and is now a published writer. I'm sure some of
it is excellent. However it's naive to think the actors will share the
enthusiasm for it.
John
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:09:02 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
Okay. Non-legal-expertise answer here.
Guess it depends on just *how* indentifiable a person is and what his
subsequent actions in fanfic are. In most cases, I'm guessing a limited
circulation story where a sturdy actor named Tom Cruz kicked the
opposition's butt, saved the day and flashed a pearly white smile between
filming scenes on his next movie...would probably be overlooked and ignored.
Create a verticlaly challenged actor called Tom Cruz who was an egotistical
maniac, abuser of women and had secret plans for world domination between
filming scenes on his next movie....might just piss off an actor with a
similar name if he ever got to hear of it.
Have no idea where the line would be drawn, but the actor would have to
prove that the character was *obviously* based on him and that he was caused
great distress by it. That might be the grey area on proof and why someone
might not choose to draw attention to the situation by filing a lawsuit.
John
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:41:30 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
John wrote:
>And, yes, I know it's about the
>character, not the actor, but I fully understand why someone like - say -
>Valentine Pelka is less than happy knowing that a character he is very
>closely linked with is thought about in that way. In most cases, it can be
>ignored, but you can count on some silly fan to ask such a question of the
>actor at a Con.(I remember someone at Chronicles asking it... and the
>folowing year the audience had to be told OFFICIALLY not to do so) In other
>words, sooner or later, the actor often has to address a subject that he
>(and most fans) would wish to leave well enough away from him.
But isn't that always the case? Some idiotic person will always ruin it
for everybody else. I think it's better in general if the actors don't
know about it at all. Then they (and we) don't have to worry about any
of it. It's one thing for an actor to go looking for those kinds of
stories because he's interested (I love Mitch Pileggi's story about
how he was getting ready to read Mulder/Skinner slash and his
father-in-law came in and interrupted him <g>), or for an actor to
actually state that he'd like his character to be involved in a slashy
relationship (Richard Burgi of The Sentinel said something like that a
few times) and another to put an actor on the spot at a convention and
force them to talk about it. Sheesh. Some people don't think.
>Again, not a critique of slash as a genre, write away. [snip] I'm sure
>some of it is excellent.
Yes, it is. :)
>However it's naive to think the actors will share the
>enthusiasm for it.
That's why they should never know about it.
- Marina.
\\ "Marina Bailey? She waves a flag. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// In South Africa." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Stan Kirsch at SyndiCon, May 1997 ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Marina Bailey==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za===|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My
brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:49:59 +0200
From: Marina Bailey <fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
In general...
Do you know that Real Person Slash (RPS) actually exists? Now,
those of us who like slash (like me <g>) can happily slash any
character we like, because... well, they're not real. We can
turn them into vampires, transplant them into the Star Trek
universe, have them having affairs with ten people at once (not
that *I* would write anything like that, you understand). And
we can say, well, it's fiction.
But writing about actual people - the Backstreet Boys, actors,
etc, just seems... wrong. No legal arguments here, please. Because
I'm pretty sure that actors know the difference between themselves
and the characters they are playing. But writing stuff about
actual actors seems to cross some line. And I don't mean just
slash. Any sort of 'Mary Sue' fantasy or adventures in which
the characters are actually real people doesn't seem right.
I've read quite a few articles by people who like reading and
writing RPS, but I can't be convinced that it's okay. It's...
icky. <g>
It's one thing to write Duncan and Methos stories. We know they
don't really exist. We know that decapitation, buzzes, Quickenings,
etc can't happen in real life. It's quite another to write about,
say, Adrian and Peter, because they are real. And even if they
never got to see the stuff, it seems like lying about these
people. Whereas, with fictional characters, anything goes.
- Marina.
\\ "Marina Bailey? She waves a flag. ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
// In South Africa." || R I C H I E >> \\
\\ - Stan Kirsch at SyndiCon, May 1997 ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
//===Marina Bailey==fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za===|| \\
\\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============//
"Cultural artifacts always come alive and take over the ship." - My
brother, watching Star Trek Voyager.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:29:30 +0200
From: Tarryn Zank <Zankt@nu.ac.za>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
Okay, I will agree to some of what Marina says, that it can be weird and all that, but remember any fan fiction, whether about characters or real people is fiction. It's made up, and to me at least it is fantasy. I know my OFC doesn't exist, I know she's not anything like me (I'm not Mary-Sueing here), and I also know these people are nothing like what I imagine them to be. I'm sure a lot of characters are in all sorts of media are based on some real person, somewhere, or at least aspects of several people, but the key here is realising the difference between fact and fiction.
I've known people who write x-rated stuff about their fru (hey, who doesn't!) but they believed it was possible, that they may one day have a chance with this person. I remember an interview where Nuno of the band Extreme was disappointed at having to stop the close fan contact the band had, because of one deranged fan - she had written to him often and then invited him to the prom, and later on, stormed onto a tour bus in a rage because he "stood her up". Talk about insane.
I suppose, the best way to go is what I said last posting, to disguise the real person jsut enough that people can draw inferences if they want to, but you are not naming actual people. My OFC has had a very interesting life so far, and it's mainly because her line of work puts her with celebs so much that they have come into the stories. It is also why I have never put them out there for people to read! My own enjoyment only! And some close friends who's universe overlaps mine!
I was jsut curious to see what the general feel was about this sort of thing, and if anyone knows of any other instances where real people have been involved in fanfic, and what has been the outcome (if any). Glad to see some response, gotta keep the discussion going, the last one was a good one!
T.
(If I could only get my fingers to spell 'just' correctly! jsut once! *G*)
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:03:13 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
In a message dated 7/9/01 4:30:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Zankt@nu.ac.za
writes:
<< It seems 'safe' to write about a character because they are not real, but
often people's fandoms are not in the world of fiction. A recent example was
a story on a 'Young Riders' list I am on. The story invloved a time travel
warp thingey where the characters from the show came into present day and
were integrated into our society by an (supposed - I think the author was
doing a mary-sue here) ex-crew member of the show, and one of the actors on
the show. It was a great story, but some way through it, the author was made
to change the name of the actor as it was obviously infringing on his rights.
I have no idea how the actor, or his representatives found out (unless he was
on the list!) and it seems jsut changing the name did the trick. >>
There seem to be as many ways to offend some actor associated with a show as
there are people willing to take the risk. To give you a perfect example, I
was watching a tape of a season 3 episode of STARGATE SG-1 last night. I
don't know if anyone here is acquainted with that series, but the original
authors of the STARGATE movie (starring Kurt Russell and James Spader as Col.
Jack O'Neil and Daniel Jackson) sold away their rights to the TV series
version of the show. They hated the direction taken with the characters and
events in the series, and have since written several sequel novels based *on
the movie*, which diverge widely from what happened to the same characters in
the TV show. This is no doubt what prompted the comment from Richard Dean
Anderson on last night's episode. When questioned by a nosy reporter, he said
"O'Neill. Spell that right, with *two* L's. There's another Colonel Jack
O'Neil out there who spells it with one, but he's got no sense of humor."
I'm certain this particular in-joke was a very pointed multiple dig. The
original authors of STARGATE do indeed spell the character's name that way,
and Kurt Russell did play the character as written--with little sense of
humor--etc. etc. So if the writers were mad enough, would they have the right
to sue over the comment on the show? It may all be frivolous, but I find it
fascinating. And I'm sure that if you were one of the original authors who
created that universe and those characters, you'd take everything associated
with what was going on very seriously indeed.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:04:42 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Reunion
In a message dated 7/9/01 4:33:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Zankt@nu.ac.za
writes:
<< Yes, I'm going! AM I the first person from SOuth Africa to come to an HL
con?? Anyone else ever run across one of us from the Rainbow Nation? Look out
for me, I'll be in the joker hat (bells and all) in the colours of our flag -
red, blue, green, white, black, yellow and carrying my light up katana/light
saber. >>
You won't feel *too* remote. I know of at least one fan who is taking a 12
hour flight up from her home in South America, and a whole contingent are
coming from Down Under.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:09:14 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
In a message dated 7/9/01 5:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fdd-tmar@netactive.co.za writes:
<< Do you know that Real Person Slash (RPS) actually exists? >>
I know it exists among fans of various music idols and mainstream actors (and
you can find it in various porno story compilation sites in vast quantities,
on the web). Media fans seem to be totally focused on the *characters* that
the actors portrayed, however. I'm sure it might exist somewhere, but I've
never seen a single story about the *actors* (rather than the characters) of
a popular media SF show in 30 years of involvement in media fandom and
fanfic. Some fans who oppose adult or slash fanfic like to cite it as part of
their argument, but it's an extreme rarity I've never seen.
Leah CWPack
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:20:41 -0400
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Reunion
I'm still hoping to be there, but nothing's definite yet. Have the
airlines come up with a way to fly people around for free yet? <eg>
-- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:49:09 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Reunion
I took some VERY good advice about using the on-line Priceline service. I
got over 120 pounds saved from other fares (and actually a 46% saving on
tickets for that particular flight!).
I suggest you look into this before going elsewhere.
John
(who doesn't own shares with them, but wished he did)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Fields" <diamonique@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Reunion
> I'm still hoping to be there, but nothing's definite yet. Have the
> airlines come up with a way to fly people around for free yet? <eg>
>
> -- Sandy
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:51:18 +0100
From: "John Mosby (B)" <a.j.mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: All Fan Fic writers
> >However it's naive to think the actors will share the
> >enthusiasm for it.
>
> That's why they should never know about it.
>
> - Marina.
And that's why with the use of the internet, the size of fandom and a few
moments of misplaced enthusiasm, they always will. Even if they don't act on
it or care.
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:29:17 +0100
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
Marina Bailey
> In general...
>
> Do you know that Real Person Slash (RPS) actually exists? Now,
> those of us who like slash (like me <g>) can happily slash any
> character we like, because... well, they're not real. We can
> turn them into vampires, transplant them into the Star Trek
> universe, have them having affairs with ten people at once (not
> that *I* would write anything like that, you understand). And
> we can say, well, it's fiction.
Yeah, well, maybe some people have slight problem identifying
the differences between "actors" "characters" and "real people"
because my slash-crazy friend informs me that she's recently
found slash stories based on "Changing Rooms" - a BBC
home decorating program, which is presented by REAL
PEOPLE, not actors and not characters.
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:57:04 +0100
From: John Mosby <A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
What?
They're real people?
Damn. I just thought Jim Henson had taken a backwards step.
;)
M-num-er-num Mosby
----- Original Message -----
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [HL] Fanfic question following the discussion...
> Marina Bailey
>
> > In general...
> >
> > Do you know that Real Person Slash (RPS) actually exists? Now,
> > those of us who like slash (like me <g>) can happily slash any
> > character we like, because... well, they're not real. We can
> > turn them into vampires, transplant them into the Star Trek
> > universe, have them having affairs with ten people at once (not
> > that *I* would write anything like that, you understand). And
> > we can say, well, it's fiction.
>
> Yeah, well, maybe some people have slight problem identifying
> the differences between "actors" "characters" and "real people"
> because my slash-crazy friend informs me that she's recently
> found slash stories based on "Changing Rooms" - a BBC
> home decorating program, which is presented by REAL
> PEOPLE, not actors and not characters.
>
> Jette
> Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
> bosslady@scotlandmail.com
> http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:16:48 -0400
From: "Judith A. Schneider" <judiths@fc.Capaccess.org>
Subject: Re: Fanfic question following the discussion...
A.J.Mosby@btinternet.com,Internet writes:
Ummm. I think you intended this for Jette or the list. I did send you a
private email, but not in response to this post. 8)
Judy
>What?
>
>They're real people?
>
>Damn. I just thought Jim Henson had taken a backwards step.
>
>;)
>M-num-er-num Mosby
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [HL] Fanfic question following the discussion...
>
>
>> Marina Bailey
>>
>> > In general...
>> >
>> > Do you know that Real Person Slash (RPS) actually exists? Now,
>> > those of us who like slash (like me <g>) can happily slash any
>> > character we like, because... well, they're not real. We can
>> > turn them into vampires, transplant them into the Star Trek
>> > universe, have them having affairs with ten people at once (not
>> > that *I* would write anything like that, you understand). And
>> > we can say, well, it's fiction.
>>
>> Yeah, well, maybe some people have slight problem identifying
>> the differences between "actors" "characters" and "real people"
>> because my slash-crazy friend informs me that she's recently
>> found slash stories based on "Changing Rooms" - a BBC
>> home decorating program, which is presented by REAL
>> PEOPLE, not actors and not characters.
>>
>> Jette
>> Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
>> bosslady@scotlandmail.com
>> http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:49:23 -0400
From: Aimer <aimer@warewolf.net>
Subject: AP as Bond?
Just got done reading a Q & A of Duran Duran bass player John Taylor who is
a major James Bond fan, so I present this...(as I've also done to the Duran
fans). I know there was talk about AP and this role, so what's up with
that? I'm thinking they might also give John Taylor a look as well (oh how
he should've been on an ep of Highlander, though he could've upstaged AP).
He's got the acting experience....not like AP, but he's gotten some decent
reviews. As for AP, is he locked into any deal with HL that would keep him
from it? All I know is that if either one got the role, I would easily lay
down 8-10 bucks to see that in the theatre more than once. Discuss. Oh
yeah, if no one knows who I'm talking about www.trusttheprocess.com for
comparison purposes. -Aimer
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:04:08 EDT
From: PWFan16@aol.com
Subject: OT: Roger Daltry on Witchblade
Not a bad show I have only seen the pilot and I think 2 eps.
Being on TNT I always forget it is on but in this weeks EW mag it says that
Roger is guesting this Tuesday at 9PM EST
Thought I would share
Lora
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:16:53 -0700
From: "R. Shelton" <rshelton2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: AP as Bond?
Actually there have been rumors flying around these past couple
months about the Bond role - I'm not sure why. AP would make a decent
Bond, but IMHO PB is doing very well w/the role. And I don't think AP
is 'locked' into any kind of deal w/HL.
At 2:49 PM -0400 07/9/2001, Aimer wrote:
>Just got done reading a Q & A of Duran Duran bass player John Taylor who is
>a major James Bond fan, so I present this...(as I've also done to the Duran
>fans). I know there was talk about AP and this role, so what's up with
>that? I'm thinking they might also give John Taylor a look as well (oh how
>he should've been on an ep of Highlander, though he could've upstaged AP).
>He's got the acting experience....not like AP, but he's gotten some decent
>reviews. As for AP, is he locked into any deal with HL that would keep him
>from it?
From TVGuide on July 2nd...
At 12:07 PM -0500 07/2/2001, TVGuide Insider wrote:
>DOUBLE OH NO!: Rumors that Pierce Brosnan's 007 days are numbered are the
>stuff of fiction. In response to a report that little-known Scottish actor
>Gerard Butler had been tapped to replace Brosnan, a spokeswoman for James
>Bond producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli told Reuters that, "It
>just isn't true and I wish these rumors would stop... Pierce Brosnan will
>play James Bond in the forthcoming production and for the foreseeable
>future." The Remington Steele grad is slated to begin work on the next Bond
>pic in January.
Rachel
Rachel Shelton *
rshelton2@earthlink.net
@}->->->-
"The Earth is just too small and fragile a basket for the human race
to keep all it's eggs in."
Robet A. Heinlein
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