There are 25 messages totalling 805 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER 2. OT ...wendys comment (4) 3. Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... (10) 4. Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER REMOVED (2) 5. Elizabeth Gracen coming to 2001 Fan Odyssey Con 6. my list not getting... 7. HL:EG box office 8. Highlander Font 9. EuroMinutes _Raven -Reborn (2) 10. Old Endgame Trailers--Request (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:31:23 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER S P O I L E R S S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S S P O I L E R S he needs no introduction-- >I consider it an honor to be compared to Ghandi. Then, I guess you don't mind that such a ridiculous comparison results in you looking like an, well, remember the answer to DM's trivia question to Methos in CaH's teaser? > I have inside information telling me that DPP so fear the Conosrtium and > economic consequences of a boycott that they deny even meeting with us in an > effort to discredit us. How odd--a DPP scheme that actually succeeds. (As opposed to--"Hey, let's save big bucks by filming in Romania!") > To protect their identities, I decided not to reveal their names. Call it > respect for DPP inspite of what they did to Connor. No, I think I'll call it--being caught in a lie. > Actually it did rain. Unless you have a weather report to prove otherwise, > we were there, we should know. BUT THEN HE SAYS-- > I'm saying the police were hosing us down in an attempt to contain us. Oops. > Another list member has already provided this info. he has said he will > portray Connor again. About that. I really can't figure out what Joanne was saying that CL said, but the blurb I'm thinking of was filmed while they were still in Romania. For one thing, CL hadn't seen the final footage to notice how damned OLD he looked; it's hard to believe he would want to continue that. And TPTB were then reeling from the script being leaked & falling all over themselves to say it was really, really different from what was being shot. (Turned out it wasn't very different at all--you can't trust anyone, can you?) The LAST thing CL could have said then was--"Hey, no way am I coming back because I lose my head in this flick!" So, sure, he said something about coming back if they wanted him & had a good script. Isn't that what most actors would say, as opposed to absolutely refusing future work? For that matter, at that point CL (who knew he got whacked) was probably thinking of Connor returning in a future film in the same way that Connery's Ramirez returned in HL2; even more likely, he was thinking of appearing in a short flashback scene. Still dead--just a cameo in a future flick. Besides, any "Save Connor" campaign overlooks something pretty major. HL:EG flopped, & I doubt there will be any more HL films. So, what exactly is Connor being saved FOR? To cavort in an animated Internet thingee, as Methos' pal? Ick. >The turtle is the national symbol for Save Connor. Pat-- >>>Pray tell, why is the turtle the national symbol for Save Connor? Oh wait, I know. Connor can retract his head!>>> Good one. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:38:08 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment Rita before-- >actually, Iám so thrilled, that iád like to meet him me before-- > No need. I'm sure he can whip up a faked photo of you 2 doing the tango. Rita-- > Iád like that. but thatás not the same. Well, meeting Internet strangers for lunch can get you killed. Not by Lance, of course--he'd be a no-show. Nina (it's pretty bad when HIGHLA-L is reduced to being a dating service) geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:04:50 -0500 From: Lisa Kadlec <lkadlec@Princeton.EDU> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... Sandy Fields wrote: > > At 09:24 PM 01/25/01, KLZ wrote: > > >IIRC, it's done with the person's permission (Why did Linda Wyatt > >die?). > > Which episode was this? Is this HL or FK? Julie Beamer (dead hooker), Linda Wyatt (dead research biologist), and Lisa Kadlec (not dead--amazingly, perhaps--regression hypnotherapist) were all characters on FK episodes. I think I remember Gillian saying something about it being much easier to get her choice of names in her FK scripts then in HL storylines. Too bad--I always wanted to be a K'immie. Even had the 'K' sound in my name. :-) Lisa's wierd 'semi-fame' moment: The first East Coast Syndicon took place the weekend after 'Francesca' ('my' FK episode) ran. Adrian was in the Philippines filming 'Dead Men Can't Dance,' and Nigel Bennett from FK was a guest at the con. So was Gillian. They showed 'Francesca' and then had a little FK panel (Nigel directed that episode). Later that weekend, some guy comes up to me at the Coke machine on my floor of the con hotel, and says something like, 'You're Lisa Kadlec, right?' Me (confused): 'Um, yes.' Him: Can I take your picture? My (wife/girlfriend/SO--I don't recall) is a big Forever Knight fan.' Me (a little baffled): 'Sure, I guess so.' (or something like that) Very surreal experience, I must say. Lisa (Kadlec) lkadlec@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:04:04 -0500 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... ZK wrote: >IIRC, it's done with the person's permission (Why did Linda Wyatt >die?). Her lab assistant was helping another doctor steal her research and when she confronted him he pushed her and she fell down the stairs by mistake. Actually, "Fever" is a really great Forever Knight episode. I love it. >Did we remember that Dr. Maier showed up on the Baywatch about >the big eel? Tell me she didn't die, wasn't a criminal, and didn't act dippy! >And yes, I think that it gives the writers a certain amount of >perverse pleasure to gently poke their friends. It also gave us >some giggles; the idea of Julie Beamer, proper, geezerly Julie, >as a dead hooker was just too funny, and we were all warm and >fuzzy inside when Richie kissed Marina. Awww, ZK, you say the nicest things! :) - Marina. \\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\ \\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait, 'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!" - Tarryn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:04:04 -0500 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER REMOVED >:::: grabbing flagpole, spinning it around, and whapping Marina >soundly :::: Ow! Well, I guess one good whap deserves another? >No! No! He can't have Lake Delusional! It's mine! All mine! >:::: cackling maniacally :::: So no one will take him in? Shame. Poor guy (not). - Marina. \\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\ \\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait, 'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!" - Tarryn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:36:24 -0600 From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com> Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame--SPOILER REMOVED <ZK> No! No! He can't have Lake Delusional! It's mine! All mine!:::: cackling maniacally :::: <Marina> So no one will take him in? Shame. Poor guy (not). And why should we take him in? <g> He comes factory equipped with a cast of thousands, none of which, amazingly, have seen fit to follow him over here since Her Goddessness issued her edit, promising banishment into the outer wastes for forever and a day to anyone trying to get around the five posts a day limit with additional email accounts. Gee. Imagine that. <weg> Kamil -- fifty bucks says that if they ever do show up, Lance, Peter, Stacy, dieconnordie, hardon_for_connor, Jack, Lambert_fan, etc's combined posts per day will, magically, never total over five. Heh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:44:16 -0500 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... Sheesh. Can't swing a dead - er - gee there are a lot of Lisa's posting! > > Lisa Kadlec: never married to l*gan > > Lisa Krakowka: divorced from l*gan > Lisa Krakowka: Cheats on l*g*n with a handsome brunette named Willie. Lisa Kadlec: Doesn't hang around with Willie. Lisa Kadlec: Is never so undignified that she runs her breeches up a flagpole. Lisa Krakowka: Is. Also something to do with portholes and ABBA. ~grumpy (you guys had me ROFL today. Thanks. I needed that!)(Willie has four legs, a mane, and a tail, and likes apples) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:44:55 EST From: Highlandmg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... wow it something to get Zk out of her rocking chair and post here. maybe Lance is visiting her now that Marnia does not want him or will not let him in her river. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:47:10 EST From: C K Harroz <CEEKAH@aol.com> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Gracen coming to 2001 Fan Odyssey Con Los Angeles, April 27-29. Check out the link below: <A HREF="http://www.onholyground.net/2001con.html">2001 : A Fan Odyssey</A> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:38:25 -0500 From: LC Krakowka <liser@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... Zeek said: >and we were all warm and > >fuzzy inside when Richie kissed Marina. And Marina: > >Awww, ZK, you say the nicest things! :) I cheered! :-) Liser -- Lisa Krakowka ** liser@lightlink.com The good parts of a book may be only something a writer is lucky enough to overhear or it may be the wreck of his whole damn life--and one is as good as the other. --Ernest Hemingway ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:01:44 -0500 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... Liser wrote: >I cheered! :-) :) :) :) That's so nice!!! - Marina. \\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\ \\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait, 'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!" - Tarryn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:32:42 -0500 From: KLZ <zklee@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... > > >Did we remember that Dr. Maier showed up on the Baywatch > about > >the big eel? > > Tell me she didn't die, wasn't a criminal, and didn't act dippy! > She was a marine biologist or something, played by - um - Barbara Stock, who IMGLO was the best Susan Silverman to the best Spenser. ::: sticking tongue out at Mary on general principle ;-D ::: :::: happily paddling around in Lake Delusional in inner tube :::: ZK Founder, Clan Delusional (He's in Raven. He is! IS! ISISISISIS!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:30:01 -0500 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... On 1/25/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Lisa Kadlec wrote: >>Sandy Fields wrote: >>> >>> At 09:24 PM 01/25/01, KLZ wrote: >>> >>> >IIRC, it's done with the person's permission (Why did Linda Wyatt >>> >die?). >>> >>> Which episode was this? Is this HL or FK? >> >>Julie Beamer (dead hooker), Linda Wyatt (dead research biologist), and Ok now, you've got to get it right. After the FK episode aired she was JulieBeamer, all one word, because every time the dead hooker's name was said in the episode it was -always- JulieBeamer and it got said quite a -lot- in that episode (I think it must have been at least nine times). <vbg> -Debbie -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:06:20 -0500 From: Marina Bailey <tmar@fast.co.za> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... Debbie wrote: >Ok now, you've got to get it right. After the FK episode aired she was >JulieBeamer, all one word, because every time the dead hooker's name >was said in the episode it was -always- JulieBeamer and it got said >quite a -lot- in that episode (I think it must have been at least nine >times). <vbg> Want me to check? <g> - Marina. \\ "Cast your eyes on the ocean; cast your soul ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //to the sea. When the dark night seems endless,|| R I C H I E >> \\ \\ please remember me." - Loreena McKennitt ||>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // //======Marina Bailey======tmar@fast.co.za======|| \\ \\============Chief Flag Waver and Defender of Richie=============// "I'd rather be watching 'The Sentinel'... no, 'Highlander'... wait, 'Stargate SG-1' is on... Oh, hell, make it all and make it so!" - Tarryn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:17:53 -0500 From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org> Subject: Re: Lisas, Lisas, everywhere... On 1/26/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Marina Bailey wrote: >>Debbie wrote: >>>Ok now, you've got to get it right. After the FK episode aired she was >>>JulieBeamer, all one word, because every time the dead hooker's name >>>was said in the episode it was -always- JulieBeamer and it got said >>>quite a -lot- in that episode (I think it must have been at least nine >>>times). <vbg> >> >>Want me to check? <g> If it wouldn't tax you too much to force yourself to watch it again. <g> Seriously I'm curious but I can't check - I'm in the process of packing up everything (moving day approaches). -Debbie -- .------------------------------------------------------------------. |Debra Douglass ddoug@catrio.org http://www.catrio.org| `------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:26:20 -0000 From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment Lance How about lunch? Who pays? Rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:28:49 -0000 From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment Jette Like you think he would show up? why not? Want to go talk to > Chris (DocTOC) on ATH? who is that? Rita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:34:20 -0000 From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT ...wendys comment Nina Not by > Lance, of course--he'd be a no-show. why is everyone so sure of that? > > Nina (it's pretty bad when HIGHLA-L is reduced to being a dating service) i donát need a date, i have a husband and lots of friends. i was just curious abt him Rita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:45:52 EST From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com> Subject: my list not getting... <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celebrity-fan">Yahoo! Groups : celebrity-fan</A> no messages posted, except my welcome one. need more members. thanks kathy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:56:24 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: HL:EG box office Lance-- > Duncan is actually more like me. Odd. When I think of Duncan (Boy Scout Plus--complex, intellectual, moral, compassionate, passionate, gorgeous & much more), you are the farthest thing from my mind. Your views & methods strike me as the polar opposite of ONH, in fact. Or are you saying that you are both fictional? > The truth is what is here. I thought the truth was out there. Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:59:34 EST From: CatsImmie@aol.com Subject: Highlander Font Does anyone have or know where I can get the Highlander Font for the Mac? I've looked everywhere I usually look for fonts, but can't seem to find it for the Mac. I know there is one, I just dont know where to find it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the end, There Can be only one! And may it be me.... The <A HREF="http://209.235.102.9/~the21253/">Cats Immie</A>! . '|( Ż\______ . \ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ|\| Ż////( o ) ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ '| |_/ŻŻŻ ŻŻ Proud Immortal Babysitter of Little Mary ALFWC: Where we dance like Giraffes on Rollerskates! Keeper of that Oh So Sacred Nose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:12:56 -0500 From: jjswbt@earthlink.net Subject: EuroMinutes _Raven -Reborn Well..I watched 2 hours of Raven and only a little grey matter dripped out of one ear ( I can still operate complex machinery) so perhaps this exercise won't be fatal <eg> As always, I will try to be as exact as possible but I make no guarantee that I will catch every 2 second addition or every word of dialog. I'll try to give a "feel" for the character's appearance, facial expression, non-verbal communication, etc. in scenes that are completely new. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Reborn: 1) Scene: Amanda goes to see Harry the Fence. American: Amanda rings doorbell and then scene shifts to inside of house, with Harry's body on floor and Amanda's voice calling "Harry, are you up there?". Euro: Amanda rings bell and waits. Knocks. Waits. Glances around and then proceeds to jimmy the lock. The neighbor watches from her window. As Amanda opens door, the scenes picks up with the American version and Harry's body. 2) Same scene a moment later American: Amanda puts her hand on Harry's body and says, "Aw , Harry". Then we see her leave by the front door, stopping to wipe the door knocker with her hankie. Euro: After she pats Harry, she stands up and looks around. Sees big safe with door ajar. She goes to the safe and opens it (using an elbow to avoid fingerprints). It's empty. She looks sadly at Harry and says, "Why couldn't they just rob you". Then she takes out her hankie and proceeds to wipe everything she has touched, working her way back downstairs where we pick up the American version with her leaving the house. 3) Scene: Amanda bolts when Nick and the police come to arrest her American: Amanda makes it to the roof and locks the door. She looks over her equipment. The locked door is kicked open from the other side and Nick appears yelling "Freeze!" Euro: Amanda makes it to the roof and bolts door. She works on her equipment. The door is kicked from the inside but holds. Amanda works on her equipment. The door is kicked- and holds - again. More equipment. More kicking. More equipment. Finally a kick that opens the door and Nick appears. Resume American version. (It's all very fast but it is more realistic- the heavy door doesn't break the first time it's kicked and it takes her longer to rig her escape ropes.) 4) Scene: After Ferris (bad cop) tries to shoot Nick, Nick and Amanda talk and then she walks away saying she works better alone American: Scene shifts to Claudia (Nick's partner) picking him up to hunt for Ferris...then to Ferris returning to his car from somewhere. Car doesn't start. Euro. Scene shifts to Ferris parking the car in an alleyway. He gets out of the car and walks toward an old warehouse. Amanda appears, opens the hood of the car and fiddles with something. She closes the hood and fades away. We see Ferris entering the building some distance from the car. Then the scene shifts to Nick ad Claudia followed by Ferris returning to the car. (Now we know why the car didn't start!) That's it. Nothing exciting in "Reborn" Wendy(I wanted something...more.) Fairy Killer jjswbt@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:49:21 -0500 From: Lisa Kadlec <lkadlec@Princeton.EDU> Subject: Old Endgame Trailers--Request Many listees will remember that when the Endgame trailer hit the Net, we got several different versions. As far as I recall, there was a first, shorter one, which was the same as the one which ran in front of 'Scary Movie' (and, in some cases, 'X-Men'). Then there was a second, longer one, which generated a lot of list traffic as those of us with computers of different ages and technological advances tried to download and play it. That one featured the Rob Zombie song at the end, but didn't include the big 'supernatural' elements (Kell being cleaved in two only to result in two complete Kells, the globe-thingy with Connor's face in it, and the 'Stargate'). *Then*, after that, came longish preview #2, which IIRC used the same music toward the end, but included the aforementioned supernatural elements. This 3rd preview is still available at the Endgame website (which is still up). However, I really liked that 2nd one (the 1st of the longer, more stylish previews). I had saved it to my folder on one of our lab computers, with the intention of sticking it on a ZIP disk. It was there for quite some time, but seems to have disappeared. I had told a couple of people that I'd show it to them some time, and, well, I just liked it a lot and would like to have a copy. Plus, I just bought a new laptop, so my hardware is up to the task of running such things, and I wanted to see how it would look on the new machine. So, does anyone out there know a) which trailer I'm talking about, and b) if there's anywhere on the web where I might still find it? Or did any of my fellow fans save a copy of it somewhere (and if you did, how big is it and can you send it to me somehow)? Lisa lkadlec@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:14:02 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: Old Endgame Trailers--Request Lisa-- > However, I really > liked that 2nd one (the 1st of the longer, more stylish previews). SNIP > So, does anyone out there know a) which trailer I'm talking about, and > b) if there's anywhere on the web where I might still find it? Or did > any of my fellow fans save a copy of it somewhere (and if you did, how > big is it and can you send it to me somehow)? Alaska Man has them all here. http://members.tripod.com/~theheasleys/temp/egdl.html Nina geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:32:11 -1000 From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net> Subject: Re: EuroMinutes _Raven -Reborn Wendy-- >>> Well..I watched 2 hours of Raven and only a little grey matter dripped out of one ear ( I can still operate complex machinery) so perhaps this exercise won't be fatal <eg>>>> We'll take turns watching you. (Lance is busy.) > 4) Scene: After Ferris (bad cop) tries to shoot Nick, Nick and Amanda talk and then > she walks away saying she works better alone I take it that even in the Euro, when Ferris takes several shots at Nick _outside the cop shop_ no one comes out to investigate. >>> Amanda appears, opens the hood of the car and fiddles with something. She closes the hood and fades away. We see Ferris entering the building some distance from the car. Then the scene shifts to Nick ad Claudia followed by Ferris returning to the car. (Now we know why the car didn't start!)>>> OK, but I have a hard time seeing even Raven-Amanda as the car mechanic type. > That's it. Nothing exciting in "Reborn" Well, it's still Raven, then. At least Claudia died early in the series; she was annoying. > Wendy(I wanted something...more.) Well, I wanted _Highlander_, or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof. Didn't even get any sex, since TPTB decided to make Amanda a light-fingered nun w/ a smart mouth. Thanks for the euros. Nina (Feel free to just make up some really good stuff--actual dialogue, fully-developed characters, angst, adept swordplay, plots, ancient flashbacks, decent hair for Nick, real clothing for Amanda, supporting roles for the supporting characters, hot sex--everything Raven lacked. Plenty of room for creative effort.) geiger@maui.net ------------------------------ End of HIGHLA-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 to 26 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-48) ******************************************************************************