HIGHLA-L Digest - 6 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-18)
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There are 23 messages totalling 895 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS (8)
2. Greetings and Question about Endgame - NO SPOILERS (2)
3. <Merlin:The Return>
4. Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS (3)
5. Question to List Owner Debra (5)
6. Healthy focus (was GREETINGS ETC.)
7. Greetings and Question about Endgame-SPOILERS snipped
8. ADMIN: Endgame Spoilers: what are and what aren't (no spoilers)
9. ADMIN: 5 post rule
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:53:28 EST
From: Susan Kirt <SUQKRT@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/6/01 1:48:06 PM, idlehanz@flashmail.com writes:
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*I lied about leaving.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:57:14 -0600
From: Stanley Griffin <stanleyg@ipa.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame - NO SPOILERS
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From: "Lance Aldridge" <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
To: <HIGHLA-L@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
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Who cares? And why is it so important to know where someone falls in this
"spectrum"? Just curious, Kristi
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:06:58 -0600
From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame - NO SPOILERS
> Who cares? And why is it so important to know where
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> "spectrum"? Just curious, Kristi
I don't think anyone cares: as Sweetness&Light said, 'The
King is dead, long live the King.'
Kamil -- Connor is dead, really most sincerely dead. The
end.
http://kamil.slashcity.com
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the
hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:39:52 -0500
From: Elaine Nicol <ElaineN@compuserve.com>
Subject: <Merlin:The Return>
I know this isn't strictly HL but I thought you'd be interested. I've not
outlined the story but there are some spoilers.
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A few comments. This is a kid's film, it's fun and it's a romp, but it's
enjoyable, as long as you don't take it too seriously. I suspect that
Highlander fans will enjoy it, I know I did.
A few points.
The villain Mordred is a lot like Kane from HL3, just a bit over the top
lots of sssssss, and exaggerating eye rolling and hair moving off face
stuff.
The obnoxious little American kid is blond, hates where he is cos it's
boring and is called Richie, yes he is called Richie... I must admit I
laughed out loud at that point.
Lancelot looks very like Duncan Macleod in his Highland days, lots of lose
hair etc. He also does lots of little quirky smiles and facial movements
to camera, which we all know so well from Highlander.
Merlin is hysterical, he is brilliant.
Arthur, well he should have stayed buried the guy is an idiot.<G>
Good bits.
Arthur and Lancelot have to jump a fiery pit. Arthur says to Lancelot,
'we'll never make it, we'll be killed' Lancelot smiles and replies 'You
want to live forever?'
Later Arthur gets to ask Lancelot the same thing....<BG>
Lancelot's rescue of Merlin is fun.
Lancelot decides to stay in the modern world, says he's had 1500 hundred
years to think about it.
The bit where Arthur and his knights attack the truck is classic.
The sword fighting is not great, it's fairly obvious Adrian was about the
only person who could handle a sword. He also did the Sword choreography.
The film is not rocket science but it's fun and it's well worth it to see
Adrian.
It's running time is about 1 hour and 40 minutes and I can't say I was
bored for even one minute.
Elaine.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:45:11 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
Lance wrote:
>I speak for those who agree with me.
Ah.
I understand completely.
I too have hundreds ... nay...*thousands* of secret admirers who agree with every word I ever write. They e-mail me frequently to offer private support. Of course they never e-mail anyone else.. .especially not public forums..for fear of being maligned for supporting me. Mine is a sad lonely voice of reason. I only go on because I have that secret private support to bolster me in my darkest hours.
#mean-spirited("I am the Lorax..I speak for the trees....")
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:10:44 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS
At 01:32 PM 01/06/01, Lance Aldridge wrote:
I said:
> That's an easy one. I'm a Highlander fan. >>
Lance responded:
>But whwre in the spectrum do you fall?
I encompass the entire spectrum depending on what I'm watching at the time.
When I'm watching one of the movies -- any one of the movies -- I'm into
that storyline and believe it. When I'm watching the tv show, I'm into
that storyline and believe it. So I can fall into any of your categories
depending on which universe/movie/episode I'm watching.
I'm an equal opportunity fan.
-- Sandy (give me land lotsa land under starry skies above)
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:52:03 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/6/01 11:01:23 AM Central Standard Time,
jjswbt@earthlink.net writes:
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Lance says:
I'm outspoken enough that everyone here knows my stance
>on HL fandom, and what needs to be done to save the franchise, namely, the
>resurrection of Connor Macleod.
<< He's dead. Deceased. Defunct. Gone west. Kicked the bucket. Passed over
the shining sea. He's pushing up daisies. Just *how* would you suggest he be
"resurrected"?>>
My suggestion is have the next film ignore the series and Endgame and
introduce Duncan into Connor's world.
<< Start yet another Highlander time lime which now ignores HL2, 3 *and* 4?
The franchise is on its last legs as it is..I doubt too many people would pay
to see "Highlander 5-The Giant Reset Button.">>
See above.
<< The one fairly consistent part of the Highlander universe has been that
people *die*..even people we might like to see live. Tessa died. Richie
died. Fitz died. Connor died. The one time they tried to bring someone back -
Rameriz in HL2 - it was damned silly. Often a character has to die to move a
story forward. If HL has a future on the big screen..that future rests with
Adrian Paul. Like it or not...today, most people's experience with Highlander
comes from seeing the TV series and they identify with AP , not CL.>>
I strongly disagree. The first film was back in 1986, it might suprise you
that many of us are still around and kicking today. I'm 30 now and for me,
and many like me, Connor was THE Highlander for a very long time. Couple
that with the fact that Lambert is a much more recognizable name and face
than Paul and you see the logical conclusion.
<< Besides, CL is too old to keep playing a character who supposedly doesn't
age. It was bad enough to have him playing a "teenager" in the first
movie..it was painful to see him in Endgame. Even AP probably only has
another 5-10 years (given good makeup and careful surgery<eg>) where he can
play Duncan. I'd hate to sit down to see HL5 and watch CL toddle across the
screen using his katana as a cane.>>
Did you see HL2? it can be done. As for Lambert, he stated numerously in
interviews that he would revisit the character if invited by tptb.
>I basically view HL fans on a spectrum type scale.
Funny..so do I. But I bet I have different definitions of who lives on each
end of the bell curve.>>
Please explain.
> Rightist Liberal HL fans
>play fast and lose with the HL franchise, freely accepting innane changes to
>the original timeline .
Rightest liberals? Ugh..those are the worse kind. They talk the liberal talk
but they don't walk the liberal walk. (:::insert Ministry of Funny Walks
sketch here:::::)
Most Duncan fans are rightist.
>Leftist Purist HL fans believe the original Hl and his timeline is the only
>valid HL and timeline.
Leftist purists? Leninists? Marxists? McGovernites?
No, Connorites.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:52:55 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/6/01 11:18:33 AM Central Standard Time,
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>IMHO, of course, i feel anyone who enjoys Highlander but doesn't like connor
>is missing the point, and thus is not a true fan. But can we get beyond the
>true fan business. I'm outspoken enough that everyone here knows my stance
>on HL fandom, and what needs to be done to save the franchise, namely, the
>resurrection of Connor Macleod.
And how do you propose they do something like this? The last thing I heard
was that Christopher Lambert was not interested in playing the role of
Connor MacLeod any longer. Would you have him resurected with a new actor
playing the roll? If not then what exactly would be the purpose or
resurecting a character that there was a strong chance you would never see
again. And how exactly would maintaining a character you would not see
"save the franchise" ? >>
Lambert has already stated he would revisit the role if invited by tptb.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:54:52 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/6/01 12:48:06 PM Central Standard Time,
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> As leader of the Save Connor movement and a high ranking official within
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> ranks of the Save Connor Consortium, I speak for all those persons who
enjoy
> membership within the organization, and those who feel Connor's death was
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> mistake in Endgame. The Consortium consist of Save Connor, Save Connor
east,
> The Connor Appreciation Society, The Connor Macleod Protection Force and a
> number of other satellite Connor-realted organizations. We estimate our
> numbers to be in the thousands.
So, Lance... These thousands of members.. Can anyone else *see* them?
> I speak for those who agree with me.
And they would beeee.... who?
Tricia <high ranking member of the BS Awareness Consortium>
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We'll soon be placing membership rolls up at the Save connor site: <A
HREF="http://angelfire.com/scifi/saveconnormacleod">Save Connor
Macleod</A>
Check it out, we also sign the petition. I'll be asking my bretheren tp join
the list so you can meet them soon enough.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:57:56 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Question to List Owner Debra
Debra, I'd like to place directions for joining your list at the save connor
site at <A HREF="http://angelfire.com/scifi/saveconnormacleod">Save Connor
Macleod</A> . Of course, I would like your permission to do so. A number of
people, including peter Veneem (of Save Connor East), Stacy Kaye, Vic
Aldridge and Jack Bailey (of the Save Connor Appreciation Society) have asked
about joining this list. Would this be okay?
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:59:34 EST
From: Lance Aldridge <GPrimeCEO@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS
In a message dated 1/6/01 1:49:33 PM Central Standard Time,
diamonique@earthlink.net writes:
<< >But whwre in the spectrum do you fall?
I encompass the entire spectrum depending on what I'm watching at the time.
When I'm watching one of the movies -- any one of the movies -- I'm into
that storyline and believe it. When I'm watching the tv show, I'm into
that storyline and believe it. So I can fall into any of your categories
depending on which universe/movie/episode I'm watching. >>
I challenge you to find your passion and take a stand (hopefully for Save
Connor) as soon as possible. A healthy focus is a good thing.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:11:33 -0600
From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
<Lance>
. A number of
> people, including peter Veneem (of Save Connor East),
Stacy Kaye, Vic
> Aldridge and Jack Bailey (of the Save Connor Appreciation
Society) have asked
> about joining this list. Would this be okay?
<Kamil>
For those who don't know, each and every one of those
addresses resolve to the same IP number, aka, sock puppets
for Lance to pretend support for his cause. I spent a few
weeks on the newsgroup listening to him talk to himself
(yawn), and still have the whois records around somewhere, I
think.
Kamil
*******
"The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find
believers if a
person only tells them with all his might." Mark Twain
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:31:51 EST
From: "Michele L. Kirksey" <MicheleShdwfx@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Healthy focus (was GREETINGS ETC.)
Healthy focus? Interesting, but I prefer my open mind. Feels much more
healthy to me.
MicheleK
Alas, lurker who was lured out of the shadows. Hi all you loverly listees!
<waving furiously>
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:38:56 -0800
From: Ith <ithildin@mbay.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame-SPOILERS snipped
> > >Here's a great poll. Where do most of the people on this
>list fall in the
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Oh definitely the Orthodox Church of the Sprawl with a little Snarky
Reformed thrown in for the good of my soul.
(There's a Consortium? Is that kind of like Section One in LFN? (maybe
Jurgan is still alive there..) )
-=- Denise = ithildin@mbay.net = http://mbay.net/~ithildin
-=- I'm an old-fashioned kinda girl. I believe the men dig up
-=- the corpses, and the women have the babies. ~ Buffy
-=- Xover/Vortex: http://www.xmission.com/~listninj/xover.htm
-=- Fic: http://mbay.net/~ithildin/tales
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:06:29 -0500
From: Sandy Fields <diamonique@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame -SPOILERS
At 02:59 PM 01/06/01, Lance Aldridge wrote:
>I challenge you to find your passion and take a stand (hopefully for Save
>Connor) as soon as possible.
Actually, as far as Highlander is concerned, I found my passion a long time
ago, as many people on this list know.
>A healthy focus is a good thing.
My focus is very healthy, but thank you for caring.
-- Sandy
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:32:48 EST
From: "Renaissance (Karen Miller)" <RENMACWOW@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
My list mailbox has received 13 messages from Lance today, and while I am
*enjoying* <whistling and crossing fingers> his always unbiased comments,
isn't this about 2 1/2 days worth of information from him?
~Rennie
Renaissance/Karen
Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die tomorrow
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:47:05 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
Karen says:
> My list mailbox has received 13 messages from Lance today, and while I am
> *enjoying* <whistling and crossing fingers> his always unbiased comments,
> isn't this about 2 1/2 days worth of information from him?
My mail box has received nothing from him - aren't killfiles
wonderful? ;-)
Jette
jettegoldie@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:44:29 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
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And oh yes, Duncan's the best of the two Highlanders (nah nah nah nah nah)
but not the best immortal! so i join this word match too. don't take me
seriously. Methos is the best, the one!
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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:05:37 -0000
From: Rita Ballantyne <kilmarnock.oradea@virginnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
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he did, in fanfic.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:28:07 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: ADMIN: Endgame Spoilers: what are and what aren't (no spoilers)
I hope that everyone here will agree with me that births and deaths
are very important events. Thus mentioning or discussing any deaths
that occured in 'Highlander: Endgame' would be considered SPOILING the
movie.
SO STOP mentioning a particular death that happened in the movie in
posts where you provide no SPOILER protections or where the Subject
line explicitly states NO SPOILERS!
Those of you who have seen the movie know what I mean. You may argue
that since it has escaped SPOILER control on this list more than once
you should be able to continue to mention it. But you would be wrong.
I'm sure that there are -some- people who have managed up until now to
avoid being Spoiled for this movie and I'd like to keep it that way.
Have I made MY position on this subject clear?
-Debbie
(list owner)
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:45:36 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: ADMIN: 5 post rule
>From this point on the 5 post a day rule will be strictly enforced.
Anyone, and I do mean Anyone, who exceeds the limit will be placed on
NOPOST for two full days. This means that any posts send by that
person to HIGHLA-L will be rejected and that person will receive a
notification from the LISTSERV software that his/her post has been
rejected. Anyone who uses a second email account to get around this
rule will be permanently barred from HIGHLA-L when I discover the
fact.
I have counted three persons who have violated the rule in the last
three days. It's time to start counting again.
-Debbie Douglass
Listowner
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:47:50 -0500
From: Debra Douglass <ddoug@catrio.org>
Subject: Re: Question to List Owner Debra
On 1/6/2001, on HIGHLA-L@lists.psu.edu, Lance Aldridge wrote:
>>Debra, I'd like to place directions for joining your list at the save
>>connor site at <A HREF="http://angelfire.com/scifi/saveconnormacleod">
>>Save Connor Macleod</A> . Of course, I would like your permission to
>>do so. A number of people, including peter Veneem (of Save Connor
>>East), Stacy Kaye, Vic Aldridge and Jack Bailey (of the Save Connor
>>Appreciation Society) have asked about joining this list. Would this
>>be okay?
I have never restricted access to HIGHLA-L except to persons who have
violated the Membership rules.
-Debbie
(list owner)
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:05:59 -0000
From: Lore Krajsman <lilith93@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Question about Endgame SPOILERS
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> I've been a HL-fan since the first movie, though I must admit I watched
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> the Kurgan and I hated Connor when Kurgie baby got killed.
> I didn't mind the third movie, though I kept thinking, that's the damn
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nah, but I would have loved to see Kurgan: the series <eg>
Clancy Brown is just delicious, that body, that voice oh yeah baby.
uh hum, getting back to point.
I simply don't like Connor. It could be the actor. I can stand CL in any of
his roles either, it could be the bad accent. It could be something else, I
have no idea. It's like some others have with Tracy Scoggins and Cassie, I
just don't like the guy.
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>he is, for many of us, the only Highlander, and his defeat of the Kurgan in
>the first film was utterly believeable.
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Proving that he's the best? Don't even start that one. The man only won his
fight against Kurgie because his girlfriend hit the Kurgan on the head.
Talking about cheating.
Well okay it was the Kurgans own fault she was there, but still...
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Quinton Macleod, what Quinton. God no, protect me from the fuzzy animals,
the Ramirez appearance , puhlease. I'm begging here.
(you might notice I don't like the cartoon very much, I kept hoping the bad
guy would finally kill him, Ramirez and that brat that kept travelling with
them.)
Lore
PS: yes I do understand other people like Connor, probably most of you, but
I guess everyone has certain characters that they either like or dislike.
For me, I love Duncan, Methos, Richie, the Kurgan and Cassandra but I
absolutely detest Amanda, Joe and Connor. I guess that's my right as well.
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