HIGHLA-L Digest - 4 Feb 2001 to 5 Feb 2001 (#2001-60)
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There are 11 messages totalling 408 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. QOS not gone in Boston (2)
2. Highlander DownUnder 4 update
3. Attila on USA
4. Eurominutes_ Raven- Bloodlines (3)
5. Eurominutes_ Raven - Bloodlines (2)
6. Speaking of Raven
7. TV Zone coverage
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:17:16 -0600
From: basaxl@camalott.com
Subject: Re: QOS not gone in Boston
I told you I was living in the dark age here.We just got a new channel
here,and guess what is showing at 8pm.You guessed it,QOS.We finally get the
show after it's been canceled:<
Basaxl
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:09:22 +1000
From: Sonja van den Ende <sonjav@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Highlander DownUnder 4 update
Hello everyone,
Australia's 4th Highlander convention will take place 6-8th April 2001 at
the Mercure Hotel, Brisbane.
GUESTS
Peter Wingfield, Elizabeth Gracen, F. Braun McAsh, James Horan, Maureen
Russell. Our Guests will participate in Q&A sessions & discussions, sign
autographs,
mingle with attendees & star in some very special presentations.
***All Guest appearances are confirmed - subject to professional
commitments***
REGISTRATION
Weekend registration $175AUD ($105USD)
Cocktail Party: $20AUD ($12USD)
River Cruise: $45AUD ($27USD)
Convention shirt: $20AUD ($12USD)
Registrations will be limited to 150 attendees. We currently have 115.
PROGRAMME
2 1/2 days of non-stop Highlander interaction including: presentations,
panel discussions, Guest Q&A sessions, autographs, demonstrations,
opportunities to chat with the Guests, merchandise, displays, competitions,
raffles, auctions of rare items, 24hr video programme, catered functions,
much more.
FRIDAY NIGHT COCKTAIL PARTY
Join our Guests at the a cocktail party on the Friday night. This will get
underway around 7.00pm. You will need to register for this $20AUD. Stay
tuned for possible updates.
QUEEN OF SPADES RIVER CRUISE
Join our Guests as we cruise the scenic Brisbane River by night on a replica
paddlewheel steamer. We've got a night of fun and music lined up. James
Horan will perform for us. HLDU member & professional muso, Joe
McGrail-Bateup will sing as well.
ART SHOW
The HLDU4 artshow is open to all. You don't have to attend the con to
participate
1) Items must be clearly marked with name, contact address (and reserve
price if applicable.)
2) The con will charge 10% of anything that is sold.
3) Items should be delivered to the artshow co-ordinator (Tam Smith) by 10AM
Friday. Or, contact Tam at CChristam@aol.com
4) Items can be needlework, models, drawings, paintings, computer generated
graphics, etc etc etc Go for it!
5) Items are displayed at the owner's risk. The con will take all care but
no responsibility.
6) The con reserves the right to reject or defer any item according to
circumstance.
SONGVID COMPETITION
HL has generated a wealth of discussion, review, fiction. Songvids are just
one of the many talented, thoughtful ways HL's fans have of expressing their
thoughts on the show. HLDU welcomes all songvid creators to participate.
Entries are open to all, you don't have to be registered to attend the con
in order to participate. Drop me a note at to discuss rules, best formats etc
Other great programme items and attendee services have been arranged, for
more information, contact me (Sonja V) at sonja@hldu.org or
sonjav@powerup.com.au
Thanks :)
Sonja V
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Sonja van den Ende, sonja@hldu.org sonjav@powerup.com.au
Co-convenor, Highlander DownUnder: The Official HL Club of Australia
Visit the HLDU club site: http://www.hldu.org
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:10:38 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Attila on USA
In a message dated 2/4/01 2:48:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elayne_althor@yahoo.com writes:
<< Just FYI, I know some of you were interested in this
movie and missed it, like I did. <G> It's on this
afternoon at 4 PM EST. >>
Inspired by viewing of the above:
The symphonic music swelled and the camera lingered on the image of the dead
warlord, staring upward in astonishment at his own mortality.
It was a big TV screen. Very big. It had been in celebration of MacLeod's
purchase of the new TV set that had prompted him to invite some friends over
for an evening of historical drama and snacks.
Only he hadn't given enough prior thought to the potential content of that
drama. As a consequence, it had leapt right off the screen, and was
now sitting squarely in the barge. The Highlander had squirmed uncomfortably
in his seat from the first moment Attila had abducted the red-haired slave
from her slaughtered village.
Cassandra rose from the sofa in the uncomfortable silence, and headed toward
the kitchen area. She suddenly stopped and turned, the hint of a
fiendish glint in her eye. "Would either of you care for a drink?"
"No," squeaked Methos.
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:07:23 EST
From: List Kathy Avery <Lynxf19@aol.com>
Subject: Re: QOS not gone in Boston
<< I told you I was living in the dark age here.We just got a new channel
here,and guess what is showing at 8pm.You guessed it,QOS.We finally get the show after it's been canceled:<
Basaxl>>
QOS has been canceled? When did this happen?
Kathy
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:20:27 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Eurominutes_ Raven- Bloodlines
Wendy--
> 1) The vast majority of the extra time is taken up in the hospital scene.
There are
> endless shots of Nick wandering empty hallways one step behind
Morgan.(Bleech)
Really? _More_ of that boring sequence? I'm surprised because even in the
shorter part in the Amer. version, they used a bit twice--the shot of Morgan
walking up to the nurse's station trailing the gurney.
>>> Denise smiles. End scene. <It's a vacuous sort of smile that could mean
she is please that Nick cares, pleased that anyone cares, or perhaps pleased
that he has finally left the room>>>
That last would be my bet. (After all, the actress got to dance & smooch w/
AP in her last HL stint--Bless the Child's FB--so this must have been
appallingly dreary for her.)
>>> Focus on Amanda, behind Nick, making a frustrated "Argh" sound as she
follows him toward the door. She grabs a vase from a chest in the hallway
and seems ready to bash Nick in the back of the head with it. <He is
oblivious>. Lucy runs up and snatches the vase away from Amanda saying "Not
the Baccarat!" . Amanda turns and storms into another room. Lucy, with
exaggerated care, replaces the vase and caresses it lovingly.>>
That sounds fitting. I'm disappointed there was no more Bert in the Euro,
though.
This ep was where they started pilfering HL:TS' film vault shamelessly;
there are several minor recycled bits, plus Morgan's skyscraper plummet
(which was a combo of original footage used in An Eye for an Eye & Free
Fall). The practice (which in later eps included fast shots of even DM)
struck me as lazy & tacky.
TPTB also started whittling away at HG & Q canon here (& we know where that
ended up).
In a neat bit of meshing together, Ginjer Buchanan's HL novel, _White
Silence_, has Immortal Danny recalling that crooked cop Russell Grady--the
very guy who killed & was killed in the FB here--was part of the corruption
involved w/ Tammany Hall in post-Civil War NYC.
Also, dear Bert has a bandaged wrist (for no apparent reason) when he & Nick
meet on the street & at Grady's home. Back then, BP stated for print that a
character's bandaged wrist might eventually reveal a Watcher tattoo--might
have been interesting had they gone that way.
A pesky irk about this ep was the name of the silversmith shop--Morgan &
Son. His name was Morgan Kenworthy, ever since he was a pre-Immie in the
late 1800's. So, it should have been Kenworthy & Son.
Nina (Details _do_ matter, & I want it on my tombstone.)
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:04:36 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Eurominutes_ Raven - Bloodlines
Nina said:
>Really? _More_ of that boring sequence? I'm surprised because even in the
>shorter part in the Amer. version, they used a bit twice--the shot of Morgan
>walking up to the nurse's station trailing the gurney.
Yes..more of that boring sequence. We see Nick approach the nurse's station..Nick wander the halls, Morgan wandering the halls...empty halls..nurses in otherwise empty halls. Maybe they were going to a spooky atmosphere.I mostly just wondered at the lack of personnel in the hospital. Even at midnight most hospitals seem to have lots of people wandering around.
>>>> Denise smiles. End scene. <It's a vacuous sort of smile that could mean
>she is please that Nick cares, pleased that anyone cares, or perhaps pleased
>that he has finally left the room>>>
>That last would be my bet. (After all, the actress got to dance & smooch w/
>AP in her last HL stint--Bless the Child's FB--so this must have been
>appallingly dreary for her.)
I just figured she was a beastly actress<g>
>TPTB also started whittling away at HG & Q canon here (& we know where that
>ended up).
I rewatched the fatal falling glass several times and it still makes little sense. The idea that Nick, in a split second, not only noticed the overhead glass but considered that it could be used to drop on Morgan and that it might decapitate him, managed to hit it with his first shot and drop it precisely on Morgan while being shot at himself is ludicrous. The fact that Morgan did nothing to try and save himself is silly too...he could have *moved* for heaven's sake! Thrown himself violently in any direction in hopes of avoiding a direct hit...something!
And I still don't like the idea of a Quickening when the killing is done by a non-Immortal. I know it wasn't a break in canon..but it isn't the way *I* would have gone- especially after Fitz's statement in "Watchers" and the "feel" in Darius' church that there had been no Quickening (ie: the place wasn't scorched, the stained glass wasn't shattered, just a few chairs pushed around as in a struggle).Or..did we only get a Quickening because Nick was pre_Immortal (even if TPTB didn't know that then.)?
>A pesky irk about this ep was the name of the silversmith shop--Morgan &
>Son. His name was Morgan Kenworthy, ever since he was a pre-Immie in the
>late 1800's. So, it should have been Kenworthy & Son.
Oh well..he didn't have a son either...
I always wondered how Morgan found out what he was and what the rules were? He had survived a hundred years so he must have had some skill with a sword (or he was another of those *really* lucky Immortals who never meet anyone after their had) .And, come to think of it..he was the first Immortal we saw to break the no killing (of any kind) on HG "rule" with impunity. (Of course, now someone will say that the cemetery wasn't HG...)(Or the fact that he died 100 years later proved it wasn't with impunity.)
Wendy(At least Amanda's hair looked nice in the flashback.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:45:36 -0000
From: Jette Goldie <jette@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Eurominutes_ Raven- Bloodlines
> A pesky irk about this ep was the name of the silversmith shop--Morgan &
> Son. His name was Morgan Kenworthy, ever since he was a pre-Immie in the
> late 1800's. So, it should have been Kenworthy & Son.
So he changed it because of his longevity, or because he
preferred his given name to his surname.
Jette (doesn't answer to Goldie)
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
bosslady@scotlandmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:38:15 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Speaking of Raven
Last night's "La Femme Nikita" (it films in Toronto) was a virtual
Raven/HL:TS reunion.
Of course, Carlo Rota played Immie Mario Cardoza in Raven's Full Disclosure;
he is Mick/Mr. Jones/Marty on LFN. Also, Polly Shannon, who was young Lucy
in Raven's Passion Play, plays Michelle (Nikita's maybe-sister) in LFN.
Phil Akin (who guested in Raven's Birthright & recurred as Charlie in the
series) was in last night's LFN as--however briefly--Mr. Jones. And, Kira
Clavell, who was the priestess in Little Tin God, plays operative Jasmine.
(Guess her gig on The Immortal didn't pan out.)
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:34:15 -0500
From: jjswbt@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Eurominutes_ Raven- Bloodlines
Nina said:
>> A pesky irk about this ep was the name of the silversmith shop--Morgan &
>> Son. His name was Morgan Kenworthy, ever since he was a pre-Immie in the
>> late 1800's. So, it should have been Kenworthy & Son.
Jette suggests:
>So he changed it because of his longevity, or because he
>preferred his given name to his surname.
But..I'm pretty sure that the vacuous shop clerk tells Amanda that "Mr. Kenworthy won't be in today" .(Please ..don't make me watch it again to see.) And I think the business card shown had Morgan Kenworthy on it. So..he was still Mr. Kenworthy in 1999.
As for him using Morgan just because he liked it..I could see it if he was calling himself just "Morgan' - artists with only one name are pretty common. But he *was* using the Kenworthy. And..if he was just using Morgan ..would he use it in "Morgan & Son"...which seems very odd.
Wendy(I suppose he told everyone a tragic tale about his dead son.)
Fairy Killer
jjswbt@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jjswbt/index.html
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:13:57 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: Eurominutes_ Raven - Bloodlines
me before--
> >TPTB also started whittling away at HG & Q canon here (& we know where
that
> >ended up).
Wendy--
>>> I rewatched the fatal falling glass several times and it still makes
little sense.
I figured it was to make gun-toting Nick look like a player, even among
Immies; Nick's gun was all he had to keep him company in most of the Raven
eps. (I remember that counting the # of times he whipped it out per ep was
mildly amusing.) I thought this looked dumb, though, & it could never work.
>>> And I still don't like the idea of a Quickening when the killing is done
by a non-Immortal. I know it wasn't a break in canon..but it isn't the way
*I* would have gone- especially after Fitz's statement in "Watchers" and the
"feel" in Darius' church that there had been no Quickening (ie: the place
wasn't scorched, the stained glass wasn't shattered, just a few chairs
pushed around as in a struggle).>>>
It wasn't the way TPTB would have done it, either, as of HL:TS anyway. I
believe the Watcher CD states that if an Immie is BHd w/ no other Immie in
the vicinity, then there's no observable Quickening. And the Watchers
should know that sort of thing.
>>>Or..did we only get a Quickening because Nick was pre_Immortal (even if
TPTB didn't know that then.)?>>>
Surely, if Nick's presence was enough to trigger an observable Q, it would
have gone to him. (Ouch.) So, I don't buy it.
>>> And, come to think of it..he was the first Immortal we saw to break the
no killing (of any kind) on HG "rule" with impunity. (Of course, now someone
will say that the cemetery wasn't HG...)(Or the fact that he died 100 years
later proved it wasn't with impunity.)>>
He may have been the 1st, but he wasn't the last, alas.
And Donna Lettow said on the Forum (RIP) that the writers assumed Immies
couldn't even kill mortals on HG. Unless we want to cover the Little Tin
God/Larca's FB/temple steps/looks like an altar/the tribe's religious rites
included decapitation ground again.
> Wendy(At least Amanda's hair looked nice in the flashback.)
True. But her treading the straight & narrow w/ the son didn't sound right.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:02:00 EST
From: Dotiran@aol.com
Subject: TV Zone coverage
In a post on the forum I read that TV jZone Magazine Special #40 has a 5 page
article on the "Highlander Movies and Series." It also has a 3 page interview
with Peter Wingfield and a 3 page interview with Valentine Pelka.
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