HIGHLA-L Digest - 22 Apr 2001 to 23 Apr 2001 (#2001-132)
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Topics of the day:
1. NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View (7)
2. HLDU4 photos
3. SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:28:36 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
Dorothy--
> Well I'm glad that those who really wanted a copy of the theater version
[yes
> there are many] can now have one.
It's an interesting development, re: HL canon & the producers' scrambling
attempt to change what the theater version did to it. (I don't get
Pay-per-View--do they always show exactly what was released at theaters???)
DPP got the revised version out early this time, as opposed to w/ HL1, HL2 &
HL3; w/ those, the theater version was initially released on video (though
now many video stores also have the Director's cuts of those flicks on the
shelf). Still, I think it's almost always the theater version (Zeist & all)
of those old movies that is seen on the various TV channels--USA, WGN, TNT,
etc.--in endless oblivion.
With HL:EG, ONLY the Producers' Cut was released on video, right? But, it's
the theater version seen on TV so far. Wonder which version will end up on
the regular channels--theater version or Producers' Cut?
> I'm sad that new viewers will have to see the [ore *g*]
> lousily edited version. :(
And it wasn't even me who used the e word....
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:43:21 -0500
From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
: > I'm sad that new viewers will have to see the [ore *g*]
: > lousily edited version. :(
I meant to ask this question the first time and seem to have
forgotten. But now that I remember, I gotta ask: the lousily
edited version, huh? As opposed to the new and improved cut,
with the very visible, full face shot of the stunt guy that
did the flip over Kell at the end of the Duncan-Kell fight?
Am I the only one that is driven absolutely *nuts* by
that?!? It wasn't in the theatrical, so they *added* it for
the Producer's Cut? Nice touch -- yanks everyone right back
into reality, and at such a non-critical moment, too.
Jeez....
Not to mention their choice to add the commando!Joe scene in
where they did. Nina's already mentioned why putting it
there really doesn't work -- unless old Matthew really was
dumber than dirt -- which is always possible, I suppose. He
is a Watcher, after all.
Kamil, who thoroughly enjoyed the wave at HL1 on Queer as
Folk last night. <g>
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:10:44 +0800
From: Gerry Alanguilan <gerry@alanguilan.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
>As opposed to the new and improved cut,
>with the very visible, full face shot of the stunt guy that
>did the flip over Kell at the end of the Duncan-Kell fight?
>Am I the only one that is driven absolutely *nuts* by
>that?!?
Not me, since it wasn't even in the final DVD cut. It was in one of the
hidden clips scattered throughout the 2 discs showing some of the goofs
they had while filming. Another one I remember was one shot where you see
Connor's checkered white and blue boxer shorts in one of the action scenes. :)
Gerry
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:18:08 -0500
From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
<Gerry>
: Not me, since it wasn't even in the final DVD cut. It was
in one of the
: hidden clips scattered throughout the 2 discs showing some
of the goofs
: they had while filming. Another one I remember was one
shot where you see
: Connor's checkered white and blue boxer shorts in one of
the action scenes. :)
It may not be in the DVD final cuts, but it sure is in the
"Producer's Cut" VHS tape that Blockbuster, etc. are
renting. I wasn't interested in buying the new cut until I'd
seen it so I bopped off to Blockbuster and rented the thing.
And it's in there, boy, is it in there.
*sigh*
Kamil
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"I know it's hatching time, and you're looking forward to
that, but there is
more to life than eating your young."
-- Karaoke Demon -- Angel
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:54:16 EDT
From: "Michele L. Kirksey" <MicheleShdwfx@cs.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
Hey Kamil - so what was the HL reference on the tv show?
:) MicheleK
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:05:33 -0500
From: Kamil <kamil@mmcable.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
: Hey Kamil - so what was the HL reference on the tv show?
:
: :) MicheleK
Russell Mulcahy directed another ep (I think this was his
fifth) and the tag scene, where Mike and David make up and
Justin has his epiphany, was set to Queen's "It's a Kind of
Magic." <g> They played it over the credits too, so that it
was playing when RM's credit rolled.
I'm not sure about the song they used in the last Babylon
scene -- the lyrics sounded promising "forever young, do you
really wants to live forever, I wanna be forever young"
sounded ... well, thematic at any rate. <g>
Kamil
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"Would you *please* let him help me with my financial
problems before you hit on him?"
Michael --
QaF
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:24:49 +1000
From: Sonja van den Ende <sonjav@powerup.com.au>
Subject: HLDU4 photos
Hello all,
For photos from hldu's latest convention, visit the club's Yahoo site
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hlaust/
I have temporarily opened the files section to non members and we invite
you to drop by. You will find a collection of photos by Tracy Hamilton and
Rie Natalenko (with assistance from Debs Ogier).
Sonja V
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Sonja van den Ende, sonja@hldu.org sonjav@powerup.com.au
Co-convenor, Highlander DownUnder: The Official HL Club of Australia
Visit the HLDU club site: http://www.hldu.org
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:35:20 -1000
From: Geiger <geiger@maui.net>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
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Kamil--
> ... I gotta ask: the lousily
> edited version, huh? As opposed to the new and improved cut,
Excellent point. Noting the sucky editing of the theater version in no way
means the Producers' Cut was any less flawed, in that & other ways, for me
at least. They fixed some errors, but they also made several brand new
ones, all their own. Since DPP had plenty of time & no one forcing them
into bad choices as to the PCut, THESE goofs are especially irksome &
unforgivable.
> with the very visible, full face shot of the stunt guy that
> did the flip over Kell at the end of the Duncan-Kell fight?
> Am I the only one that is driven absolutely *nuts* by
> that?!? It wasn't in the theatrical, so they *added* it for
> the Producer's Cut? Nice touch -- yanks everyone right back
> into reality, and at such a non-critical moment, too.
I didn't notice that. (Though the ending doesn't work for me in any
version.) But it's probably because at that point of the film I'm still
trying to figure out why the PCut flagrantly uses the same rather obvious
sequence in the final fight TWICE. (It's where DM, w/ uncharactistic
awkwardness, whacks the white pillar; it is used in the PCut both before
Kell drags his sword along the railing to make sparks & after DM falls after
his katana.) It was nice they fixed the disappearing coat thing & showed
how the men got from bottom to top during the fight, but WHY would they
reuse footage in such an obvious way? Especially, when they had all the
time in the world to actually sit & WATCH what they'd patched together!
> Not to mention their choice to add the commando!Joe scene in
> where they did. Nina's already mentioned why putting it
> there really doesn't work --
Inattention, I guess. Though if they don't really care about the movie or
the franchise anymore, why bother releasing a PCut? Oh, yes--the $$$$$$....
Other NEW goofs in the PCut--the ineptly blotted out JVC sign, the piss-poor
voice dubbing (at several points but especially for DM in the final scene),
poor sound quality (really hurt the music's impact especially--one of the
few things the theater version got completely right), & the Holy Ground
patch (in that it saves canon but makes Immies & Watchers all dumb as dirt).
And, of course, there were lots of theater version goofs that the PCut
didn't even try to fix. Many (like deleting the "cut you" line) would have
been simple to do, but apparently they were not worth DPP's effort.
Nina
geiger@maui.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:44:14 -0700
From: Lynn <lloschin@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: NO SPOILERS; HL Endgame on AT&T Digital Cable Pay Per View
From: "Geiger" <geiger@MAUI.NET>
> Wonder which version will end up on
> the regular channels--theater version or Producers' Cut?
Neither exactly. Because of the short length of the theater version,
material will have to be added back to the broadcast TV version to
make it the right length. My brother has been in charge of this
joyful process on two different movies, both of which were under 90
minutes in their theatrical releases. And, of course, they have to
edit out the violent shots that can't be used on regular TV (and the
one scene with nudity).
Because TV versions are usually edited right after the theatrical
release is done (along with the airplane version, if there's going to
be one) this process has probably already been long-completed, but was
probably done well before the DVD, so the material added back in could
be some of the stuff that was added back into the producer's cut, or
it could be different material entirely. And of course it will be
panned and scanned instead of widescreen, and will include always-bad
television ADR to replace the dirty words.
So when Endgame appears on broadcast TV, we could well be seeing
something with substantial differences from both the theatrical
version and the producer's cut.
Lynn
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